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Matter, Anti-Matter, and a New Subatomic Particle?

sciencehabit writes "Physicists may have finally figured out why the universe contains more matter than antimatter. The key lies in a flaw in the relationship between the two and a potentially new subatomic particle. 'Other researchers, however, say the results, published today in Nature, should be interpreted cautiously. It could all be an effect produced by run-of-the-mill particles'."

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  1. Re:Dark Matter? by wizardforce · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am no theoretical astrophysicist, but me thinks "Dark Matter" is the name of the current fad stop-gap physics widget which is necessary to balance out equations in their current hypotheses and models.
    yes, the concept of dark matter was conceived as a gap filler for a few observations- that the amount of mass in galaxies appeared to exceed the visible quantity by about 10x and that the velocity curves for stars orbiting in galaxies was all wrong. now we have additional observations of areas of very little visible matter but a noticeable gravitational bending of space. large masses warp space around them and light bends as well- we can observe this and when we see light bend where there isn't that much visible matter, we can actually map the dark matter its self. one region in particular contained a halo of dark matter that was wrenched away from the visible in the area.

    Does "Dark Matter" cease to be dark if you shine a light on it?
    it depends on what it is. if it is baryonic then yes, if it isn't like many of our models show, then maybe not.
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    Sigs are too short to say anything truly profound so read the above post instead.
  2. Re:Dark Matter? by starwed · · Score: 3, Informative

    I am no theoretical astrophysicist, but me thinks "Dark Matter" is the name of the current fad stop-gap physics widget which is necessary to balance out equations in their current hypotheses and models.
    The dark matter model has actually made successful predictions. That makes it actual, real science, not just a "stop-gap" widget. From a paper of The Dark Matter Scientific Assessment Group:

    ...evidence from galactic rotation curves, gravitational lensing, hot gas in galactic clusters, precision measurements of the cosmic microwave background and measurements of large scale structure in the Universe all support the existence of dark matter in the Universe.
  3. Re:Biased? by mcelrath · · Score: 2, Informative

    If there was antimatter floating in the universe we would see it via the annihilation of anti-matter with matter where they meet. In particular, an electron and positron annihilate into two gamma rays of a very specific energy, and we have space telescopes looking in that energy range. We just don't see them. You could postulate antimatter stars/galaxies, but their solar wind would run into other stars in the interstellar medium, and create these gamma rays along a boundary plane between them. We just don't see that. We've also put detectors in space looking for anti-protons (AMS). We do see some, but not very many. For more info, google "baryon asymmetry" which is the modern name of the anomaly, and is quite precisely measured.

    -- Bob

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    1^2=1; (-1)^2=1; 1^2=(-1)^2; 1=-1; 1=0.
  4. Re:Exceptionally Simply Theory of Everything by mcelrath · · Score: 5, Informative

    Very good question...

    I do work on theoretical particle physics at CERN, so I would be the kind of person to take Garrett's paper and make predictions for colliders/astrophysics from it. (and hence, find methods to prove/disprove it) I'm not currently working on his theory, nor do I know of anyone who is. I only looked carefully at his paper when I posted the above comment (though I knew about it). I previously understood that he claimed the Standard Model was contained inside E8. If that is true then there are essentially no new predictions, just an interesting coincidence. However I see now that his theory is not the Standard Model, but a SU(2)xSU(2)xSU(4) Pati-Salam model. This implies several new particles that could be seen at the LHC. Garrett claims several things which are not totally justified and require some more calculations to find out (for instance...that the gauge groups unify).

    The Pati-Salem model is well-studied (though not currently -- it was popular in the 80's). It is often known as a "leptoquark" theory. However I do not see in Garrett's paper the particle content necessary to make leptoquarks, nor the particles (higgses) to break the SU(2)xSU(2)xSU(4) to the Standard Model's U(1)xSU(2)xSU(3).

    I think the problem is sociological. Garrett made a big splash in the gravity community, but I haven't heard a peep from any of my colleagues in particle physics. I will ask around at CERN next week. I know of no good reason why people are not studying it more carefully and making predictions (though, I'm sure Garrett is, but his background is gravity, not colliders).

    Flash in the pan? Lots of stuff in the popular press is. For instance TFA is probably an effect of non-gaussian errors, but by making a splashy title they've gotten themselves a Science magazine article. Garrett got his flash partly because of his non-traditional lifestyle. Moral of the story is that the things that appear in the popular press are usually "hero" or "eureka!" stories. But science is full of neither heroes nor daily eureka's. I could complain further about the state of science reporting...

    Keep in mind that there are literally hundreds of theories capable of explaining TFA (assuming it's not a statistical fluctuation), and you won't hear about them in the popular press because they're not sexy and hard to explain. For instance, a 4th generation of quarks or a complex higgs sector. Garrett's theory might be one of them, we don't know yet. We don't usually explain these theories to the public because explaining 100 different complicated theories, 99 of which must be wrong...is probably a waste of the public's time. Instead, we'll turn on the LHC this year, which will undoubtedly generate tons of popular articles, and hopefully at least one mostly-correct theory. ;)

    -- Bob

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    1^2=1; (-1)^2=1; 1^2=(-1)^2; 1=-1; 1=0.
  5. Re:Dark Matter? by PvtVoid · · Score: 5, Informative

    For all we know, the mysterious "Dark Matter" could really be just a very dense repository of all of the discarded fruitcakes from around the universe.

    No, it couldn't. One thing that is definitely known is that the dark matter is not made of regular atoms (baryonic matter). Baryonic matter is known to comprise no more than about four percent of the total density of stuff in the universe, versus about 25 percent for dark matter. If the universe were 25 percent baryonic, all sorts of measurements would come out differently than they do:

    (1) The primordial abundance of elements, which is observed to be about 76 percent hydrogen and 24 percent helium and a trace of lithium, would be very different. See here

    (2) The signatures of acoustic oscillations in the Cosmic Micrwave Background would be much larger than they are observed to be. See here

    (3) Any extra baryons would show up in the hot gas between galaxies in large clusters, which is very accurately measured by X-ray satellites. See here.

    (4) Dark matter consisting of small condensed objects like Jupiter-sized planets would show up in gravitational microlensing surveys. They don't.

    We don't know what dark matter is, but we sure as hell know what it's not, and it is not ordinary matter that just happens to be dark. There are multiple, independent lines of evidence which support this conclusion.

  6. Re:Exceptionally Simply Theory of Everything by mcelrath · · Score: 3, Informative

    Glad I could be of service. BTW I think your "periodic table" comment is an apt description of the situation. I think what's missing is dynamics.

    Rather than google, if you want to keep up with Lisi (or anyone else's) papers, I suggest the SLAC Spires database. For instance, this is Lisi's "exceptionally simple" paper. Click on the "Cited..." to get a list of citations. This is updated daily from journal sources, and more importantly arxiv.org. This database generally has topics of relevance to high-energy physics, astrophysics, and gravity. Another good database is the NASA Astrophysical Data Service, here's Lisi's "exceptionally simple" paper on ADS. I warn you however, everything retrieved this way will be technical in nature.

    This is what the web was invented for, by the physics community at CERN no less, and now days all our papers are freely available before they are sent to journals, and the public is welcome to read them. Indeed, I despise the "ivory tower" perception and think we are much better off by having outsiders look at what we're doing. I just with the popular press would wrap their heads around the idea of citing primary sources with a hyperlink....but I digress.

    -- Bob

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    1^2=1; (-1)^2=1; 1^2=(-1)^2; 1=-1; 1=0.
  7. Re:Matter vs. Anti-matter by PvtVoid · · Score: 5, Informative

    If there are any physicists out there, can they explain how we know the universe is predominantly matter? What's to say that the andromeda galaxy isn't 100% anti matter (i.e. all positrons and neg-protons.. negtons?). You can't tell just by looking: matter and antimatter interact with light identically, so if the stars in the Andromeda galaxy were made of anti-hydrogen, they would shine identically. However, if the universe were broken up into domains of matter and antimatter in this way, there would be annihilation at the boundaries, which would be detectable in the form of gamma ray emission. Current limits from the gamma ray "glow" in the sky put very strong limits on the existence of antimatter domains: see this paper, for example.