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Doctors To Control Robot Surgeon With Their Eyes

trogador writes "Researchers from Imperial College London are improving the Da Vinci surgical robot by installing an eye-tracker, which allows surgeons to control the robot's knife simply by looking at the patient's tissues on a screen. Tracking the eyes can generate a 3D map, which in turn can make moving organs — like a beating heart — appear to stand still for easier operation. Other features include 'see-through' tissues on the surgeon's screen (so tumors can be seen underneath tissues) and 'no-cut' zones, places where the robot won't allow the surgeon to cut by mistake. Says ICL Professor Guang Zhong Yang, 'We want to empower the robot and make it more autonomous.'"

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  1. Ah yes ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

    but is it a Robot Chicken? If so, it's important to remember that when you're playing chicken the first one to blink loses.

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  2. But the real question: by theaceoffire · · Score: 4, Funny

    ^_^ I foresee an issue with female clients.
    "AHHHH! NO, My eyes are UP HERE!"

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  3. I for one welcome my robot surgeon! by QuantumFTL · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Back when I was working at the NASA Jet Propulsion Lab, I was stuck in a basement laboratory. One interesting thing was that there were old robots *everywhere*, including a big old surgical robot right beside my desk. It was really interesting, as it had two 6-Degrees of Freedom "scapel" controls, and a microscope-like magnifying viewer.

    I asked some folks about it, and they said that one of the main benefits was that they used Fourier transforms and other filtering to significantly reduce the "jitter" of the doctor's hands, without aversely affecting intentional motions. I thought that was really interesting, and might save a lot of complications. A former boss of mine has a surgeon for a father, and he said it was quite common fifty years ago for them to have an alcoholic beverage before a surgery to steady their nerves, and seems to think this was effective. I suppose the robotic version wouldn't have all the downsides.

    I also think an interesting possibility for this technology is plastic surgery - one of the biggest current problems with plastic surgery isn't expense (a lot of things people want aren't that expensive), it's the risk of complication, which can be quite significant. My brother did not get his face repaired after breaking a cheekbone due to this risk.

    This would especially be good for individuals who have recently lost a lot of weight - there's a lot of self consciousness about excess skin, and being able to safely remove it with much reduced risk of complications would go a long way towards helping these people feel better about themselves (which is one way to help keep the weight off).

    So yes, I for one welcome my robot surgeon. Some day it might save my life!

  4. Precision? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Informative

    "It shows you the tumour in relation to its anatomical structure," Darzi said. That means the surgeon can be more precise and avoid cutting out large amounts of healthy tissue.

    Lack of precision isn't the only reason surgeons remove large amounts of apparently "healthy" tissue along with a tumor ... it's to make sure they get all of it.

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    1. Re:Precision? by repvik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They cut out a fair bit because they simply can't see the tumor... Cutting a safety margin comes on top of that again.

  5. Great research, but still only research! by neapolitan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am a doctor that does surgical procedures (mainly pacemaker device implantations).

    These kind of devices are very much experimental, and pop up in the news every couple of months (a slashdot search can reveal similar ideas), but quite far away from any sort of typical use. Right now heart bypass surgery is decidedly low-tech, with a surgeon viewing the beating heart with loupe glasses and very skillfully lasso-ing the coronary arteries. It is a great fantasy in the hearts of all doctors to have a machine that offsets any heart movement -- it would make things much easier if reliable. The article doesn't mention that the movement would also have to be coupled with respiratory movement, and have some sort of fail-safe in the case of patient or external movement.

    However, standard surgery is still not done using these tools. There are way too many items required to make this feasible in the near future ( 10 years IMHO, although I hope I'm wrong!)

      - Testing: This is literally a life-and-death situation, and any robot "error" in a real person is likely to set the technology back 5 years after it hits the press and hospital review boards. Very, very damaging PR.
      - Education: Surgeons would have to essentially be re-trained to use such a system.
      - Feedback: It is really, really difficult to give an operator feedback on how something "feels." Part of during surgery (no kidding) a surgeon will often run his finger along cardiac arteries -- you can almost "feel" the calcified plaque in a diseased vessel. It would be really hard to approximate anything like this with a virtual robot.
      - Cost: Labor is relatively cheap compared to the capital expenditure to R&D something like this... of course, this will change as time goes by.

    Exciting news, but incremental technology.

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  6. Re:I hope they know what they're doing... by Aglassis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The human body is not a machine, and we cannot even come close to mimicking one, let alone thousands to millions. Why isn't the human body a machine? I'll grant that we can't mimic it but that doesn't mean that the systems of the body aren't mechanical in nature. Would you argue against using titanium rods to help with fractures, the use of plastic joints to replace failed joints, or other technologies that attempt to repair some mechanical failure in the body (including the use of micro-robots to perform surgery)?

    On a more ethical standpoint, being interested in Medicine and Machines myself, I feel this is going in the opposite direction of what I hope for medicine. Distancing doctors from patients, and life from reality may prove a nasty combo. Ethical? I'm not sure that word means what you think it means. You are advocating an almost superstitious view of how medicine should work. I'd be curious which ethical theory you are using to suggest that our modern advances in medicine are going in the wrong direction.
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  7. Oh. My. God. by ChaoticLimbs · · Score: 3, Funny

    I am so glad I am not a woman with really nice tits.

  8. Re:jerky movement by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

    Those movements are called "sacchades" and they are important to preventing retinal fatigue. They're actually fairly predictable and it shouldn't be hard to average them out.

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  9. Eye control? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why? I did some work on development of a surgical robot. Surgeons use their tactile senses a lot, and its important to have 3D haptic feedback. Why in the world would you want to control a robot with your eyes? You can't even tell it how hard or deep to cut.

  10. Re:I hope they know what they're doing... by vertinox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The human body is not a machine, and we cannot even come close to mimicking one, let alone thousands to millions.

    Wasn't that the whole point with using a machine?

    A human can only hold a knife so still and accurate where a machine could cut on an accuracy scales below a millimeter.

    I mean do we build planes with wings that flap like a bird? It would make sense to build a machine that does surgery without the flaws the inherit instability of the human hand.

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  11. Re:I hope they know what they're doing... by NIckGorton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On a more ethical standpoint, being interested in Medicine and Machines myself, I feel this is going in the opposite direction of what I hope for medicine. Distancing doctors from patients, and life from reality may prove a nasty combo. First, you need some distance. If you are in respiratory failure, I have precious little time to get you intubated and ventilated. That is not the time you want active listening and human touch. You want technical skill and someone who does not dick around. You may even want someone who has toys like this hella sexy video laryngoscope: http://medgadget.com/archives/2006/10/mcgrath_series.html

    Want.

    Of course with that I am less in touch with you physically and less likely to end up spattered in the half digested pasta, beans, or nachos that everyone who needs emergency intubation invariably eats right before they crap out. Honestly though I think we are both happier that way.

    Secondly though, the motivation for me that makes me want to save your life is the same one that makes me select the best tool for doing so. If that is a McGrath video laryngoscope (mmmmmmmmm....) or a good old fashioned Mac 4 blade then that's what I use. It would be malfeasance from my perspective if I chose the least effective means because I was a dilettante about technology.
  12. Re:breasts by TheMeuge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's a curious anecdote, that I feel is appropriate to the joke.

    I was looking for some clinical experience between the first and second years of med school, so I shadowed a surgeon, who specialized in breast tumors, and wound up spending lots of time in a "breast clinic" (screening and followup) for about a month and a half. While I probably saw some great breasts, I never felt aroused. Given that I am a very sexually-active heterosexual man, I was amazed at how my mindset was able to adjust itself, and how I was able to strip away my sexuality while I was with my patients. Not that I intended to abuse my position, but I expected that I would have to contend with a distraction, and braced my willpower for the battle. Yet in the end, it turned out that I had no problems being professional... and the only distraction I had to deal with, was a voice in my head, screaming in panic: "shouldn't a resident be doing this?"

  13. Re:jerky movement by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 2, Funny

    What if one of the surgeon's assistants is seriously hot and is in his peripheral vision? What gunna happen when the surgeons eyes keep darting to the nurses huge jugs?