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China Unblocks the BBC (In English)

An anonymous reader writes in with news that China has unblocked the BBC Web site — the English-language version at any rate. No announcement was made, because China has never acknowledged blocking the BBC for the last decade. The Chinese-language version of the site has been blocked since its inception in 1999. The article speculates that the easing of censorship may be tied to the upcoming Olympic Games.

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  1. regarding the olympics by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd imagine the reporters from other countries will not be censored, through the great firewall or otherwise. If so, they must have a devil of a time separating the chinese from the reporters. Anyone heard anything on this?

    1. Re:regarding the olympics by mathnerd314 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bet you that china is also clearing out people from the cities that the games are being hosted in as well. Forcing them to move away so that the only people that reporters will have access to are high paid officials, loyals, or paid pretenders. You may laugh, but Beijing is planning to kick out a bunch of migrant workers during the Olympics (link) to make room for everyone else.
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  2. It's Transistor Radios All Over Again by coaxial · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The conventional wisdom is that in the lead up to, and during, the olympics that Great Firewall is going to be deactivated for those with IP addresses originating in parts of Beijing where foreigners are expected to be. The idea is that foreigners will come to China, not see anything a miss and then go back to their home countries and spread the false impression.

    It's a page right out Chairman Mao's playbook. When Nixon went China, the handlers routinely gave people on the street transistor radios to listen to. That way Nixon and Kissenger would say, "Wow. What a nice scene. China truly is wonderful place." Then as soon as these people were out of sight of dignitaries, goons (I'm sorry, "the advance team") would collect the radios for redistribution to other Potemkin Villages.

    As David Byrne said, "Same as it ever was."

    I'm going to be in Beijing next month in a hotel down by the Bird's Nest. I'm going to have to check out the Great Firewall.

    1. Re:It's Transistor Radios All Over Again by MrPloppy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes Western countries dont need to have vast machinery to control the media and citizens because the media organisations are quite happy to do it themselves. Yes "the key checks of a free press and the freedom to voice one's opinion are sacrosanct." but it makes no difference because dissenting voices are drowned out by the establishment. For example in the UK the coverage of Palestine and Israel is unfairly biased towards Israel. http://www.gla.ac.uk/centres/mediagroup/bnfi_reviews.htm Its not just on this topic the same pattern can be seen again and again eg Iraq.

  3. Re:Expats got around it anyway by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Keep in mind that part of the reason the International Olympic Committee gave China the games was to create international pressure for change... and not of the TOR variety.

    That's wrongheaded, anyway. You don't give a bully what he wants and then tell him it's because you want him to stop being a bully. No, you tell him up front he won't get what he wants until he stops being a bully, and that only as long as he continues to play nice.

    This had nothing to do with trying to encourage change in China's government and everything to do with trying to curry favor. We let that particular group of sociopathic leaders grab us by the short-and-curly (and by "us" I mean the entire industrialized world, if you think China is after the United States only you're not up to speed) and now we have to toady up to them. It's ridiculous on the face of it.

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  4. cat and mouse. by apodyopsis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whenever I visited China, I always had a feeling of playing cat and mouse with the unseen and much hypothesised great firewall. BBC back then? no chance. but you could hunt around and use other UK based new sites - daily main, guardian, thesun (if desperate), the times. Sometimes they would grind to a halt and I imagined my unseen monitor in the great firewall office checking what I was doing - then, as if he/she decided I was not a subversive threat, it would spring back into life. Other times I would VPN or proxy and find any site I wanted - but at a pitifully slow rate as if everything I did was intercepted and checked by my unseen intermediary. Other fun things that had odd effects on the speed on which pages would load would be to proxy them through the dialectizer - I always imagined one severly culterally puzzled state firewall operator calling his boss. The 'net access was always different depending on where I hooked up - im the 5* hotel in shezhen was always the fastest, in the office soso, in a street cafe you could forget it.

    My conclusion was that the firewall was very very definately real, and the moment it found a foreign news story, the wrong keyword then suddenly wierd timelags and delays in page lookups would occur as my unseen companion blocked or cleared at whim. I also could of sworn that the system could tell the difference between the net being accessed from a posh hotel occupied by Western Engineers and a street cafe.

  5. Re:Tibet a factor by trainman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The pretext used for the invasion of Tibet was pretty damned flimsy. There had been brief periods of meaningful Chinese control in Tibet. By their argument, China ought to have been invading any number of countries in East and Southeast Asia. Actually, from an intellectual level, listening to her side of the debate on what justified the invasion is quite interesting. She firmly believes, from her childhood education, that the Chinese government was "liberating" Tibet when they went there. Just like they believe the CCP was liberating the rest of the country from dictatorial oppression during the revolution.

    There is strong belief that the Dali Lama was an illegitimate monarch who enslaved his people. And it's fascinating how the West and China see him so completely differently. Cruel dictator? The Dali Lama? Surely not.

    But of course listening to arguments on why there IS democracy in China is fascinating too.

    She did admit that one reason for the invasion was to create a defensive barrier, to take control of a strategic area when it came to mountain fortification. But yes, the idea of historic control of Tibet by China, by that argument Italy should claim control of most of Europe, they controlled it 2000 years ago (a longer claim then China over Tibet). And from the history I've read, for parts of this period, the control was the other way around - Tibet controlled large parts of China, they weren't always pacifist monks. :)

    That a government that has so frequently decried Western Imperialism (and in some cases rightfully so) has done precisely the same thing is bad, but to have a bunch of people overawed by the flawed logic that allows them overlook this behavior in their own government is a sad testament to just how evil nationalism truly is. Indeed it is my friend, nationalism is a scary thing which has probably in one way or another lead to most wars in human history. But it's such an easy emotion to exploit, the us and them. The idea you can externalize and blame another group for all your problems. And until we wake up and stop listening to the Bushs of the of the world when they say "you're either with us or against us," and see the world instead as shades of gray, I don't see much changing.
  6. Don't get excited... by Nocturrne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am an American, living in China. While it is nice to see the BBC unblocked, I know that I will still have to use ssh to be sure I am seeing the real, unfiltered, content. Thanks to the nice Cisco (American) technology we developed for them, they are able to selectively block and redirect individual articles.