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Google Attempts to Allay US Privacy Fears

Ian Lamont writes "Google is in the midst of a full-court privacy effort in Washington that involves pushing consumer privacy legislation in U.S. Congress, reaching out to privacy advocates in an effort to allay concerns about its acquisition of DoubleClick, and working with the U.S. Federal Trade Commission to 'fine-tune online advertising principles' that the agency proposed last year. Google has been under fire in Washington in recent years — the FTC investigated the Google/DoubleClick deal and the EFF has issued warnings over Google services in the past. Is Google being sincere about these issues, or is this effort mostly paying lip service to its 'do no evil' policy and an attempt to head off future clashes with policy makers?"

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  1. Their Power by Paranatural · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They undoubtedly have the ability to, realistically, more thoroughly collect privacy-related data than almost any other non governmental agency.

    While I believe that they are really trying to stick to the 'Do No Evil' ideal, I do believe that the groundwork they are laying down now is rife with the ability to be exploited in the future when, perhaps, they are run by people less concerned with idealism and more concerned about profits.

    What they really need to dop is develop a variety of ways that they can, as much as they can, prevent themselves from abusing the power they have. Third party inspectors, not collecting some of the data in the first place, written and signed contracts concerning ethics and whatnot.

    Will they all eventually fail? Most likely. But they can do a lot to slow the spread of the inevitable corruption.

    At this point I think they are too idealistic to see it that way, though.

    1. Re:Their Power by swordgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "While I believe that they are really trying to stick to the 'Do No Evil' ideal..."

      And with that statement, Google proves that their massive PR campaign has worked.

      Google is evil and does do evil quite regularly. They are, in fact, at least as evil as any other typical publicly traded company.

      I'm not sure now if they ever actually cleaved to the "don't be evil" philosophy, or just started it as a PR campaign and went about their business, cheerfully ignoring it internally.

      Google is idealistic? Not even remotely--they're aggressive, mercenary, and willing to sell their grandmother's sexual secrets for a profit. In other words they're just another company. The only thing that makes them unique is their amazing ability to keep blinders on most of the otherwise internet-savy public.

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  2. Re:Google helps ... by skeletor935 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google is just as evil as the rest of them. It's stupid everyone thinks they're some holy grail of awesomeness. They're in it to make money. They have your email, your search history, your calendar, your shopping, etc. all of the data which they read so they can provide you with related ads. All that data is stored somewhere, just waiting to be given up to whomever steals or subpoenas it.

  3. As evil as they are/will be by Prysorra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It might make sense to push for privacy laws. Especially those that restrict the government.

    After all, Google doesn't want competition!

  4. Re:I have a question by AmaDaden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google is one half of the internet advertising market and DoubleClick is the other half. It's basically an instant monopoly. There are very few other guys out there. I know MS is in the market and I guess Yahoo is too but I can't think of anyone else. Add in that Google owns most peoples data (email, search, and who knows what else) and you have something that could be very very dangerous. Personally I'm not that worried but I'm keeping my eye on them

  5. Re:Google helps ... by moderatorrater · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Okay, this is just a bit silly, don't you think? Google's censoring is only those sites which it's legally required to censor; Slashdot's done the same and they'll continue to do so. It's not the place of an international corporation to pick and choose which laws to follow.

    evil (in the USA) would be fighting the govn't. No, fighting the government is neither evil nor good without motivation; what motivation do they have to fight the government? They've fought it before, and I haven't heard of them caving since.

    China, France and Germany, on the other hand, have required Google to actively censor their sites. Google's expressed some regret over paying the price for China, but it's not clear cut either way. If you fight the Chinese government on Chinese soil, you lose unless you're very good at hiding yourself. Do you honestly think that Google's going to be able to avoid the Chinese agents that come to shut them down and arrest their employees? Do you think China would be better off if Google had never gone there in the first place?

    It shows that they're complying with the government ideas of good and evil, not the rights of the individual What have you done to extend more freedom and rights to the Chinese people recently?
  6. Re:Google helps ... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not the place of an international corporation to pick and choose which laws to follow.

    No, but it is their place to decide WHERE they do business. Saudi Arabia may have a law that says a woman must be imprisoned for having pre-marital sex and that companies have to cooperate in any prosecution of such a case (by providing her emails and phone records, etc.). But I'm damn sure never going to follow that law because I'm damn sure never going to do business in Saudi Arabia as long as they have those kind of evil bullshit laws.

    Google hides behind that lame "we're just following the law" excuse just because they don't want to give up the money they stand to make from the Chinese market. The only logical response to "we're just following the law" is "If their law requires you to do evil things if you're doing business in their country, then why are you doing business in their country in the first place?"

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  7. Anthropomorphization by Hasai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do people insist upon treating a corporation like it is anything other than a legal fiction?

    A corporation is a thing, not a person. It has no more consciousness than a hammer does, and therefore the concept of morality does not apply. A hammer is neither moral not immoral. It is amoral, and a corporation should be handled similarly.

    This unconscious anthropomorphizing and the atmosphere of anonymization it creates has tempted more than a few people to try to pull some pretty underhanded stunts, particularly in the last ten years, then turn around and point at the sign out on the front lawn and claim that it was the "corporation" that actually did the foul deed. Then the hue and cry goes out to punish the instrument instead of the instigators. As if the cubicle worker and the office janitor had the faintest idea.

    What rubbish.

    In a hit-and-run, it isn't the car that is prosecuted. Similarly, the question should not what "Google" is doing, but what the CEO, Dr. Eric Schmidt is doing. Or, at most, what the members of the Board of Directors are doing. People make the decisions; not the hammer.

    Now; how about we this try again, and this time plug the names of people in, instead of an anonymous, faceless corporation's?

    'Nuff said.
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    1. Re:Anthropomorphization by the_raptor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't the whole point of a corporation to shield the controlling members from responsibility for the actions of the corporation? At the very least it is to shield them from the financial responsibilities of their poor decisions, so shielding them from other responsibilities is a logical extension.

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  8. Re:Google helps ... by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could you please name a country where I do not disagree with *any* laws, so I can start my business there ...

    And please don't say the USA or UK I already know I don't agree with some of their laws ...

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