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All 44 Blackboard Patent Claims Invalidated

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "The US Patent & Trademark Office has invalidated all 44 claims in Blackboard's patent. While this is a non-final action [PDF], which means that Blackboard will be able to appeal, it does represent a win for the Software Freedom Law Center which had requested the reexamination of Blackboard's patent. It is not yet known how this will affect the $3.1M judgment Blackboard won from Desire2Learn."

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  1. Get rid of the USPTO by Yfrwlf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only thing this ruling should show to the courts is that the USPTO is a POS. They were the ones who approved those patents, so if all of them were invalid what does that say? That they don't search very hard for "prior art", is what it says to me. In this age of information technology, the only thing governments granting the monopolies more monopolies on things does is take more money from consumers and hurt everyone. We'd all have a lot more money and more free time to come up with new products if we weren't so overworked from stuffing billionaire's pockets. Of course the worst offense are software patents, the most ridiculous kind since it's extremely obvious making software to perform any task, which makes it much more of a patenting an "idea" than most any other kind of patent.

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    1. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by mrbluze · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While this is a non-final action [PDF], which means that Blackboard will be able to appeal, I love how lawyers help lawyers make lawyers more money. I mean, incompetent doctors generate business for incompetent doctors, but lawyers do it with flair!
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    2. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by CaptainPatent · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In defense of the USPTO, they did receive over 700,000 patent applications last year. Mistakes are bound to happen be it because of a sneaky attorney or an ill-prepared examiner.

      Don't get me wrong, I do believe there are huge problems with the patent system and things need to change (and from the article itself, it looks like a small improvement at least is afoot), but you're statement is the equivalent of saying to a kid "Oh, you missed 1 problem out of 2000 on your test. You obviously don't know math and should never try again."

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    3. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by Idiomatick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually incompetent doctors generate business for lawyers too. 'If someone does something, a lawyer profits' - Stella's Law ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants

    4. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by mrbluze · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually incompetent doctors generate business for lawyers too. Rule of Thumb: If you are a lawyer, NEVER tell this to a doctor.
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    5. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by Yfrwlf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All 44 patents isn't a small mistake to me. Patents need to be completely eliminated as they only help monopolies price fix whatever they want. I don't believe the world should be restricted for 20-30 years or whatnot while one company controls an idea that a billion others would have thought of, many of which thought of first, around that time period. It greatly slows technological advancements by preventing ideas from reaching everyone quickly and being utilized. Instead, everyone has to live in the dark or have lawyers defend themselves and such. If you eliminate this bureaucratic nonsense then ideas can and will be utilized by everyone quickly. There will still be plenty of incentives for companies to come up with ideas: they want products to sell to make money. Individuals, too, because where there is a problem/need, there are always those who will solve and conquer it. Besides, with the billions of brains on this planet running into problems and thus ways to solve them, do you really think you were ever the first to think of a solution? Chances are pretty damn good you weren't, and if patents didn't exist, the technology would be out much much quicker and would have the chance to benefit everyone, not just the rich or a select few. Not to mention, you would never have companies withholding products just because they compete with their existing products. The patent system has always been a failure, has always kept back technological progress, and will become more and more of a festering wound as the Age of Information Exchange progresses. Any countries that wish to stand up for true marketplace competition needs to ditch it's barbaric artificial restrictions on the sharing and utilization of ideas.

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    6. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by pokerdad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In defense of the USPTO, they did receive over 700,000 patent applications last year.

      Do they do such a bad job because they receive so many, or do they receive so many becaue they do a bad job?

    7. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by Yfrwlf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "In order to get a patent in something, you need to fully disclose how it works and the best way to make and use it."

      And these ideas are then actually utilized by using them in products in the world, I'm sure? Oh wait, they aren't, because they're now patented. The real way ideas are shared is to actually use and share them alongside their products, products which will be much more common when there are no restrictions. If patents didn't exist, no one would feel threatened that they might violate a patent, and inventors would be truly free to both invent and then share their product. The entire world (or at leas those countries stupid enough to adopt patent systems) wouldn't be subject to the prices and control of a single company, but could actually utilize and share an idea. Ideas which are going to exist, and will exist more rapidly without a patent system, so that ideas truly get shared. When was the last time you saw a video on YouTube of a patent? Instead it's "Oh, yay, an idea we'll never see or get to use for a few decades because it's been patented so it's completely controlled and restricted by some monopoly." Everyone would "share in the discovery" if they actually had access and could freely share and use ideas without worrying about patents.

      "they are there to reward the first person to PUBLISH something"

      Their ideas will get out much sooner if they don't have to go ask a lawyer to search for them through the millions of patents to try to determine if their idea is "free" to actually use first. Patents slow the adoption of new ideas and thus slow the advancements that are based on those ideas by preventing them from being placed into the wild quickly. Even if they are found in the wild to a degree, they cannot be improved upon because they are controlled, and they certainly won't be as common as they could be so that they can be utilized properly. Companies can't sit on ideas when those ideas can be actually used by competing companies and placed into products, so companies in the absence of patents will actually want to use ideas and be first to market with them unlike the current system. In other words, as soon as products and inventions aren't controlled by big mega-corps, everyone will be able to create and utilize them, allowing everyone to have them, and making the quality of life better for everyone quickly, in turn allowing for more free time, and more time to find other problems and to come up with ways to solve them. Patents have put many countries of the world at least 30 years behind in technology, but there's no way to know for sure just how bad it has been.

      I agree that the Industrial Revolution, for example, was put behind due to patents. Read Against Intellectual Monopoly if you're interested in these and other arguments against patents.

      "And at the end of the 20 (21) years, the entirety of your invention is dedicated to the public."

      You hit the problem right on the head. Making the world wait around for twenty years on someone's patent that would have and was thought of by a hundred or more others around the time, earlier, or later, slows technological progress and innovation for many of the reasons I've already presented. The problem is you're making them wait for twenty years. What all this comes down to is would problems be solved if patents didn't exist? Yes, I think there's a lot of proof that technology would move much more rapidly. One historical proof of such is how quickly software progress occurred before patents were added to the mix. What's even more amusing is that these patents aren't even used, because so many companies violate so many other companies patents that it's like a cold war in which no one fires on the other because they each have dirt on one another. They do, however, threaten the little software developers who aren't "part" of these big companies.

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    8. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by WedgeTalon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      700,000 isn't so bad.

      700,000 / 52 = about 13.5K per week.

      Give that they have 5,477 patent examiners, that is a rate of about 2.5 patents per examiner per week.

      There seems to be, based off of /. articles, a huge error rate. If a patent examiner screws up on one patent, that's about an 8% error rate for him. For comparison, my profession - Pharmacy - has, at worst, an error rate of 0.0925%. And we handled between 3 and 4 Billion prescriptions.

    9. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would think the Mcdonalds court case will have prevented many accidents due to the change in working practice by Mcdonalds. This change in practice was not due to the court case, this is strictly marketing. McDonald's is trying to compete with Starbuck's by being more "full service". Also note the Iced Coffee available at McDonald's in some regions.

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    10. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by jco · · Score: 2, Informative

      Pharmaceutical companies spend billions of dollars on MARKETING. And on "licensing" drugs developed by the National Institutes of Health and the universities and teaching hospitals it funds.

    11. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by Kirkoff · · Score: 2

      You mean this is a time honored tradition.

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    12. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For comparison, my profession - Pharmacy - has, at worst, an error rate of 0.0925%. And we handled between 3 and 4 Billion prescriptions.

      The difference being the penalties for failure. If a patent examiner "screws up", he just made the USPTO more money in the form of maintenance fees (the fact that entire swaths of technology are illegitimately locked down is irrelevant.)

      If a pharmacist screws up ... well. There's a reason your error rates are so low, and I'm damned glad they are: like most people I take a prescription medication now and then. If Pharmacists filled prescriptions they way Patent Examiners issue patents, nobody would ever take a pill.

      I say we give a newly-minted Patent Examiner some number of "points" when they start their careers. Every time one of their patents gets invalidated, they lose a point. When they lose all their points, they lose their jobs. Have additional penalties too, for example if you lose more than x points in a year you get passed over for promotions, etc.

      Maybe that wouldn't work, I don't know. I can say that there needs to be a structure in place that tends to keep bad patents (and bad examiners) out of the system. As matters stand, the issuing of bad patents is rewarded and the Patent Office is perfectly happy to let the courts sort things out later. That's causing way too many problems to be allowed to continue.

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    13. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, there's a big difference between patent claims and patents. This is a single patent with 44 claims. That's a big difference from 44 different patents.

    14. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Moving 50 pink pills from the clearly-labeled big bottle into a little bottle and then ringing it up on the cash register is a bit different to reading dozens of pages of lawyer-speak and deciding if it makes sense and if anyone has ever done it before.

    15. Re:Get rid of the USPTO by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the patent description is hard to understand & difficult to verify its validity, then the default choice should be to NOT grant the patent. Then the patent applicant can fight its way through the court system to show why its patent is non-obvious & has no prior art.

  2. Re:Hopefully this means my school will drop softwa by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Only a year ago Blackboard wouldn't run without allowing activeX. Dosen't sound like they're much better off now.

  3. The Mother of all Prior Art ... by foobsr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .. was missed, if I scanned the text properly:

    Quote: "PLATO originated in the early 1960's at the Urbana campus of the University of Illinois. Professor Don Bitzer became interested in using computers for teaching, and with some colleagues founded the Computer-based Education Research Laboratory (CERL). Bitzer, an electrical engineer, collaborated with a few other engineers to design the PLATO hardware. To write the software, he collected a staff of creative eccentrics ranging from university professors to high school students, few of whom had any computer background. Together they built a system that was at least a decade ahead of its time in many ways." (emphasis mine)

    Please note that they had a place for "eccentrics" back then.

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  4. Re:Is there class that USES this software? by Khashishi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes. It's fairly prevalent in University of Texas. I use the software to post grades to my students (not by my choice). It's such a pain to upload grades. There's a feature to upload grades from a file, but it requires doing it line by line and requires too many page loads. It's not terrible software; just not that good.

  5. Is the tide turning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The pressure has built for years. Nobody ever liked software or business patents. It all started with a court case that opened the gates and once that happened an arms race ensued. The very idea is absurd, and a whole industry with many reputations and careers has been built on defending the ridiculous during the last few years.

    I found these remarks in the comments of TFA very interesting, and I assume they are genuine.

    I head the group that runs Blackboard at our university and we are very happy, as an institution....Personally, I have a number of friends at Blackboard; I like them very much and I think they are good people, but I am glad to see news that the Blackboard patent claims will/might soon be invalidated. I am of the opinion that Blackboard should have never embarked into this nonsense, into this unnecessary e-Learning industry distraction, and that whatever money Blackboard would make out of it, if any, it would never amount to the costs and PR damage that they have inflicted on themselves. Blackboard has excellent technology, products and services. They should continue to compete and keep/attract customers on that, and not on wasting their/our time and resources filing patents and lawsuits. Hopefully, this will be the beginning of the end of this nonsense.


    And this commentator is not alone. I hear from many people who once defended software patents, even those who own them and have profited, that secretly or even openly they believe they are immoral and wrong. The problem has always been that since they were allowed it's been a defensive measure to acquire them.

    We have to go back to the source and overturn this awful mistake that was made. The world does not accept software and business patents. Proponents of it can shout and scream all they like, and maybe many will lose a lot of money they wasted on these things, but at the end of the day humanity will be better once we lay this monster to rest. I hope this is the start of a domino effect that starts to bring down all the bogus patents made in bad faith. Only those on real manufacturable goods should stand.
  6. Re:Is there class that USES this software? by that_itch_kid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, the University of Newcastle (Australia) uses it (I'm a student there).

    By the look of my Uni's website, it hasn't been updated since 2003. I don't know if there are security issues with this, or perhaps it's just that the copyright notice hasn't been updated with version updates.

    In any case, my Uni uses it for classes. Lecturers upload all their lecture slides, tutorial questions, etc. onto the course's Blackboard section, our grades are given on Blackboard, staff make announcements for their course, there's a discussion board with a really annoying interface and a chat feature. I'm missing a few other things as well.

    The user interface is probably about as hostile as it gets. I can't help but feel that whoever designed the thing actually wanted the students to feel like they've been trapped with the typical web design of the mid-90s.

    I have Apache and MySQL installed on my home computer, and I installed Moodle to take a look at it. While I can't compare the staff's interface to the system as I've never used Blackboard's, it was certainly a beautiful system to use, staff members could customise the front page for their course, uploading resources was a breeze, as was adding things to the calender, etc.

    The interface from the student's POV was equally as good - things are organised on a week-by-week basis (According to the discretion of the course coordinator), and so grabbing the lecture notes for the current week (Or for any week) is easy straight from the front page, announcements and new forum posts are easily seen...it seems to have been designed by people who actually care about their students and the time that they will spend using the thing. It's not so much a site for staff to post lecture slides, but more of a place online where students can (And are encouraged) to visit and chat and collaborate constructively with their peers...it's a breath of fresh air after such a long time using a stagnant system like Blackboard.

    Sorry for the offtopic. Basically, I hope Blackboard goes down so that my Uni and others can consider viable alternatives.

  7. I just wonder by edwardpickman · · Score: 4, Funny

    How do you get 44 patents on a black piece of slate?

  8. Risk to USERS of open source from patent claims? by NZheretic · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As I stated over two years ago...

    1) Any patent lawsuit against a user of a software component used by major vendors will automatically result in those vendors lending legal support to reduce the chance that their own customers will also end up being sued.
    2) Any patent lawsuit costs the suing party at least several hundred thousand dollars.
    3) Any patent put before the courts is at very great risk of being destroyed by prior art.
    4) Any payout awarded from a single end user has to be in proportion to value of the patented technology. The value of a single instance will could only be measured in hundreds of dollars, not coming close to covering the costs of the lawsuit to the platiff.
    5) Patent lawsuits take six years to over a decade to work it's way though appeals.
    6) Developers will release new software using a method that circumvents the patent in question within two months. This will be quickly adopted and by the time the first patent case is resolved there will be no further customers for the patent holder to sue.
    7) The outrage generated in taking out a case against any open source will result in Groklaw and other groups putting the suing party and their lawyers under the closest scrutiny. You will not believe the level of bad publicity, let alone the the amount of prior art, dirty business practices, and legal suspect practices and even violation of statutes that will be uncovered.

    Lastly to quote Pulp Fiction, and then "we are going to get medieval on your ass."

    Any IP case against users of open source puts the attacker at a far greater risk.

  9. "Prior art" isn't the only problem... by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The real problem is the total obviousness of most of the patents they're approving.

    Then again, they're getting paid to approve patents, not to reject them so should we be surprised?

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    1. Re:"Prior art" isn't the only problem... by Yfrwlf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That too, and what's more, the threat that companies use towards others when they get these patents often means they get their way. Since the official "way to challenge patents" means hiring a lawyer, I'm sure it puts off most businesses, meaning the only successful ones are often those with the deepest pockets. The whole thing is designed to make the rich richer, like so many other things in the world today. Patents end up being gobbled up by monopolies any way, and then defined with their bottomless pockets, so the net effect is always less competition. It's sad when artificial restrictions set up "by citizens" end up hurting them, and everyone continues to let it happen. If consumers only realized how much richer their lives would be if their governments stood up for competition in every marketplace, or at least didn't impose rules which create and help monopolies, I swear there would be riots.

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  10. Where to Send Your Check by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 5, Informative
    You can donate online via Google Checkout, Network for Good or PayPal from the Software Freedom Law Center's donation page, or mail a check to:

    Software Freedom Law Center
    1995 Broadway, 17th floor
    New York, NY 10023

    They're a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization, so if you're in the US, your contribution will be tax-deductible.

    It's expensive to fight lawsuits. Vote with your wallet!

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  11. The "legislative intent" that never was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nobody ever liked software or business patents. It all started with a court case that opened the gates and once that happened an arms race ensued. The very idea is absurd
    The court's logic was based on flawed logic even back then:
    As has now been unearthed, they didn't properly check their sources, misquoting a Senate (by taking too few words, out of context, as their famous citation) which had actually said:

    a machine or manufacture, which may include anything under the sun that is made by man,...is not necessarily patentable
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  13. Blackboard was hated before the patent issue by The+Second+Horseman · · Score: 2, Informative
    If you talked to CIOs at schools and IT staff, they've hated Blackboard for years. The software was often junk. Early versions of 6 had significant gradebook problems, and there were a handful of security problems that were just mind-blowing. Of course, they mark their release notes with the list of fixes "proprietary and confidential", which never wins you friends. No, in addition to the scummy salespeople (an especially weasel-like variety) and ridiculous, ever-increasing prices (often mid-year, but late enough to make it hard to jump ship), the support was just terrible. Really, really bad. They didn't really know the software, didn't know the platforms. Expected you to actually build multiple test environments to replicate the problem (if the problem was between even point releases) for them to remotely connect to - they didn't have internal access to test system (this was in the 6.x timeframe). Also, they'd come out with minor (or not-so-minor) releases in mid-semester and tell you that they were required updates to get support. You can't upgrade an LMS in mid-semester at most institutions. Point releases that makes major changes to the database schema and structure are less than attractive, either.

    A number of small and medium sized schools are going to Moodle and customizing it for their environment (for example, incorporating home-grown services into it, etc). Moodle's been growing by leaps and bounds the last year or two, and I expect it's going to keep growing. Sakai's harder to implement, unless you have a herd of Java developers at your disposal. Faculty always want significant local customization.

    1. Re:Blackboard was hated before the patent issue by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2, Interesting
      We use Blackboard (BB) where I teach, and I can attest, it is truly a roiling piece of shite. Everything you said is true, and my fellow professors spend more time developing workarounds to avoid using BB than they do developing the work they need to work with BB. Why? Because working WITH BB sucks in horrible horrible ways, and while the work arounds are "more work" at least they're convenient and maleable.

      Gradebook is a NIGHTMARE. I mistyped one of the calcs (23 instead 32 percent) and didn't catch it until after midterm, and when I went to reset it, it blew the grades to pieces. It was for a HUGE class (150 students) and so I had to re-grade and personally re-calc 150 grades (midterm, paper, final exam). I used Excel to help, but I HATE EXCEL and it wasn't fun having to deal with something that should not have been hard to re-finagle easily. Total nightmare.

      I am hoping this ruling will lead to better software for me. As it is, avoid BB like the plague...

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  14. Re:Hopefully this means my school will drop softwa by BakaHoushi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My school uses it and I hate it for a plethora of reasons:
    1. No Friefox support. It's annoying that I have to actually use IE or something just to access one site.
    2. This isn't a problem with Blackboard in an of itself, per se, but because teachers can post assignments there, they often feel the need to not mention homework at all and just expect us to check it nightly. For every class. This is sheer laziness. I'm a full time college student and I also have a part time job almost every night after classes as well as on most weekends. I don't have the time, motivation, or energy to double check for possible assignments every night. And it takes all of 10 seconds to tell a class of an assignment or to at least look for it as they LEAVE class.
    3. It's slow and bloated, as mentioned above. Add reason 2 to this and it's an unnecessary waste of time.

  15. Re:Hopefully this means my school will drop softwa by pedalman · · Score: 2, Informative

    At our school, Blackboard was set up with the thought of, "Hey, let's start offering online course content. We'll buy Blackboard and it will be our silver bullet."

    NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    When students started buying computers with Vista, Blackboard would not play right with them. They had all kinds of issues. It won't even play right with Internet Explorer at our school. I'm just glad I'm not the Blackboard admin.

    Note to my college administration:
    Ever wonder why the University of Phoenix is so expensive? It's because they attempted to take the time to design their online program from the ground up. They also hired the staff to make it work. That takes a lot of money. They didn't take the cheap way out by buying Blackboard and saying, "Now we are an online school." F$%^tards!!!! You would have been better off by using Moodle or Double Choco Latte. At least you wouldn't have blown all that money. Dare I say that you are once again "trying to polish the turd"?

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  16. Re:That's a joke, right? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, what you're saying would make sense on the surface, but when you realize how little training doctors are required to have in pharmacology, you'll gain a new appreciation for those pharmacists you just slammed. My father would have been dead several times over if it hadn't been for the pharmacist connecting the dots and realizing one or the other of his physicians had just prescribed a killer combo. That happens more often than you might think, sometimes because of a mistake, a lack of knowledge, or a lack of communication between doctors. Either way, there's a reason that pharmacists study pharmacology. They're more than just robotic pill dispensers.

    When your doctor prescribes something for you, go talk to your pharmacist about your entire drug picture before you start swallowing those little pills. That can very well save your life, particularly if you have something like a heart condition.

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  17. Re:Put down the dictionary by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I really wish that the law didn't use normal english words like "obviousness"

    Well, if the law uses a normal word, maybe you people in the patent industry ought to interpret the law the way it is written.