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Hacker Club Publishes German Official's Fingerprint

A number of readers let us know about the Chaos Computer Club's latest caper: they published the fingerprint of German Secretary of the Interior Wolfgang Schäuble (link is to a Google translation of the German original). The club has been active in opposition to Germany's increasing push to use biometrics in, for example, e-passports. Someone friendly to the club's aims captured Schäuble's fingerprint from a glass he drank from at a panel discussion. The club published 4,000 copies of their magazine Die Datenschleuder including a plastic foil reproducing the minister's fingerprint — ready to glue to someone else's finger to provide a false biometric reading. The CCC has a page on their site detailing how to make such a fake fingerprint. The article says a ministry spokesman alluded to possible legal action against the club.

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  1. Respect, respect maan! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd like to see this done to officials in all countries.

    Reminds me of Gone in 60 seconds (the Jolie version) where one of the car-thieves glues on Elvis' fingerprints.

    1. Re:Respect, respect maan! by dpx420 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah if someone tried this with a high ranking government official in China or somewhere, they would indeed mysteriously 'disappear' in 60 seconds.

    2. Re:Respect, respect maan! by Idiomatick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      WTF does china have to do with this?

    3. Re:Respect, respect maan! by garglblaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, you summarized it up very well: Germany, Land of the Free, Home aof the Brave. Times are a-changing aren't they? Hint: No, Bush's country isn't any longer considered 'Home of the Free' in any part of the world any longer.. - Sad to say this but true.. my 2 cts

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  2. Good for them by Scareduck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    High officials often seem to think the consequences of privacy-invading legislation will only occur to other (read: little) people. It's good to remind people in those positions that they do not have absolute power, and that they need to think about second order consequences.

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    1. Re:Good for them by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All three easily solved via a security by-pass incentive in a form of a pistol to the head or a kidnapped lover/child/dog etc which will "get it" if you do not cooperate or some poison with time release and the antidote delivered upon your succesful authentication, etc and so on and on and on and on.

      "Ironclad security" does not exist.

    2. Re:Good for them by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just because you can cut the iron, doesn't stop it from being iron. Iron clad doesn't mean inpenetrable, it simple means really hard to penetrate. If you are going to go through the trouble of blowing the door off a bank vault with C4, you can have the money. If you're going to go through the trouble to shoot me for my password, you can have it.

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  3. Biometrics: lamest of all security protocols by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least until extreme body modification is commonplace, biometrics suck for identification. It's the only modern "security" mechanism that lacks revocation. Without revocation, a security model is eternally broken as soon as one chink is found.

    A person only has 20 digits, 2 palms, 2 soles, 2 retinas, and one genome. All of the biometric properties of those can easily be duplicated with noninvasive methods (simply enrolling in a biometric system requires the same access as duplication would). When one of those 27 properties is compromised, how do you revoke its use? I guess start with the fingers and palms and as people get older they have to start using their feet for identification, and at the very last make them get pricked for each identification. When all the biometric identifiers are used up, the now useless (at least in a Secure(TM) society) people can be recycled in the soylent green program or something.

  4. Major flaw of biometrics by this+great+guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This event highlights one of the major flaw of biometrics. This official had his fingerprint copied. There is nothing he can do. He can't change it. He can't prevent people from using it. No fingerprint reader will ever be able to determine with 100% certainty whether a particular fingerprint is real or fake. Bottom line: when one of your biometric traits gets stolen, you get screwed. For life.

    I hope this convinces governments that using biometrics for anything is a bad idea (other than perhaps criminal investigations, although what if this german official's fingerprint was found on a murder scene ?).

    1. Re:Major flaw of biometrics by BlackCreek · · Score: 4, Insightful
      AFAICT the point that the parent poster was making is that unlike other security measures (say ID card, social security number etc) you just can't get a new biometric reading for your fingers (without at least some serious medical intervention), you can't get a new iris scan for your eyes, you can't get a new DNA code etc.

      Biometric data may put some entry barriers higher, so what? The problem is that you just can't get a new iris scan, like you get a new passport once your gets stolen.

      The worst of the situation is that we have all these politicians deciding --without the least form public debate about the real privacy implications-- that biometric data is now to be collected, and used, and kept by the government.

    2. Re:Major flaw of biometrics by BlackCreek · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The whole point of the parent poster is apparently lost to you.

      The point being that my biometric data is mine. It is private. It is not the government's business to have my blood samples, or DNA, or finger print. I am not a criminal, and therefore I expect to be entitled to some privacy from the BigBrother.

      Once some retarded government bureaucrat decides to leave a laptop inside a taxi or something, my private data is lost, and I can never get a new fingerprint, or iris scan. I can get a new social security number, I can get a new passport, a new bank account number, but I **cannot** get a new DNA.

  5. Re:In future news... by metlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One can only hope.

    What better way than a senior official to be convicted of crimes as a result of identity theft because officials such as him decided that privacy didn't really matter anymore?

    Personally, I sincerely wish that this happens in all the countries which have fingerprinting in place. Enough already.

  6. Legal action? by HalAtWork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article says a ministry spokesman alluded to possible legal action against the club.
     
    To what ends? You can't deter it as it's already happened, and you can't suppress it, as even the method for tricking the security system is widely known. If the security system is broken, you can't legalize it into working again. The security system was built in order to keep things safe, and now we have to keep other things safe from the security system itself.

  7. Re:No better thant he status quo? by metlin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd hate to see people get proficient at faking fingerprints, because that leads to all sorts of interesting results in the realm of law. If fingerprint fraud becomes widespread, for example, will fingerprints at a crime scene still be valid evidence in court?
    What are you talking about?! It's fantastic.

    I mean, since fingerprints cannot be conclusive anymore, I foresee our politicians with moral fibers of steel pushing for more surveillance. I mean, if we cannot really tell whose fingerprints they are, we certainly need video proof! And since we do not know where a crime may happen, the policy makers (who typically have about as much morality as a pea) have decided that the way around this is to have cameras everywhere. Public restrooms and your house included.

    I mean, think of the children! /cynic
  8. A perfect demonstration to the perfect person by smolloy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This is a perfect way to demonstrate to the perfect person why such invasions of privacy are bad, and of the unintended negative consequences of their plans. Sometimes people in power forget that the "solutions" they develop to certain problems may be worse than the problems themselves. All they see is that a certain issue will be fixed -- not that the fix raises even worse issues.

    Bravo!

  9. Re:Brave defenders of freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At least they get off their asses unlike American's who cry about the Constitution but do fuck all about it.

    Bush was right, it is JUST a piece of PAPER. Why? Because American's do NOTHING about it and do not believe in it.

    This is plain to see by their inactions.

  10. Re:In future news... by Naughty+Bob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We hear that Wolfgang Schäuble is convicted of committing 17 crimes. Simultaneously
    17 One-fingered crimes at that...
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  11. Re:couldn't possibly have negative consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since a senior public official still remains a public official, it could probably be defended on the same grounds that allow for political satire. It is expressly allowed in most countries to make fun of political figures, especially if you're doing it from a political standpoint yourself.

    Then again, we also have a new buzzword for crime with ideological motives. It's called terrorism...

  12. Re:Has anyone tried this on a fingerprint reader? by MikeFM · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the only working model is the concept of security in layers. The more layers an attacker has to dig through to compromise a systems security the more secure that system is. Biometrics alone are pretty weak. Passwords alone are pretty weak. Use them together and they're a little less weak. The biggest obstacle is the user. Will they put up with multiple security checks? Can they remember a good password? Will they notice where they're leaving behind fingerprints or if someone is trying to record their voice?

    In the end you have to be realistic with your expectations for any security system. We lock our front door when we leave our house but we all know that someone that wants to get in can still get in if they want to try hard enough. When you lay in bed at night you have no way to be sure that a stranger hasn't secretly entered your home and is waiting to cut your throat in the dark. Yet we make a bigger deal over how secure access to your bank account and other sensitive information is. At some point you just have to say enough and go on with your life.

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  13. Re:couldn't possibly have negative consequences by Belial6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It likely is. In just the same way that sinking the Titanic before any passengers boarded would have been grounds for criminal action.

  14. Re:couldn't possibly have negative consequences by gerardolm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's say you lose your ID card. Someone else could take it and fake that he/she is you. Are you guilty of anything?

  15. Re:In future news... by Znork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DNA now that is good, and it is something difficult to duplicate.

    No need to duplicate it, free samples are falling off you everywhere you go. So no, DNA isn't very good either.

    There is however a very good biometric one can use. A neural imprint of a specific token; it currently can't be read without the cooperation of the person, it leaves no imprint around except as the owner desires and controls.

    It's known as a 'password'. A technology that is, perhaps, new and radical, but far more secure than other biometrics. Which, unfortunately, isn't particularly secure, just less insecure than the crap the scam artists of the biometrics industry are trying to push on the gullible.

  16. Re:Movies come to mind... by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To that, all I'll have to add is that the truth is stranger than fiction.

    It's often rather difficult for people to make an objective assessment of the present especially since causes and facts are often incomplete "now" and often require now to be later before you can look back on now and get a more clear picture, but consider the shocks and fears generated when "1984" was published. Now look at how much farther we have gone beyond 1984's "science fiction" and how we don't even notice it, let alone are alarmed by it.

    Things aren't "getting bad." They ARE bad. Things are getting worse. For all the people out there who think we need to give up privacy and crap like that, you need only look back to your teenage years for why a sense of personal space and privacy is important for people in general. I don't know that there are any studies on the subject, but I'd be willing to place a very large bet on the notion that in societies with less privacy, the suicide rates are likely to be higher. A person's sense of safety is closely tied to their sense of privacy... you only need to sit on a toilet without walls surrounding it once to understand that notion.

  17. Re:In future news... by Cardcaptor_RLH85 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This truthfully makes sense to me. I don't think that there are any real technical limitations to having very long symbolic pass phrases anymore so why are we often limited to 8 or 16 characters? My Windows password is a long sentence with correct grammar, punctuation, and one or two non-dictionary based proper nouns. Much easier to remember than a random string or even, in some cases, a password.