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Comcast Puts the Screws To HDTV

Todd Spangler writes "Comcast, like every video distributor, compresses its digital video signals. But to fit in more HDTV channels, Comcast is squeezing some signals more than others. The cable operator claims it is using improved compression techniques, so that most subscribers won't see any drop-off in picture quality. But A/V buff Ken Fowler claims the differences between some of Comcast's more highly compressed channels and Verizon's FiOS TV are indeed noticeable. He's posted his comparative test results on AVSForum.com — and the results are not pretty."

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  1. Re:If they really want more bandwidth.... by DigitalisAkujin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yea cause the amount bandwidth taken up by a thousand spam e-mails isn't equivalent to 10 frames of 1080p. :P

  2. Re:Not suprising at all by asuffield · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is, of course, that they are trying to transmit all of their hundreds of channels to your TV simultaneously, and let the decoder pick out the interesting bits. If they only sent the one that you were watching, there wouldn't be a problem.

    Of course, then they'd have to discard their outmoded business model. So that won't happen. They'll just be marginalised and discarded in favour of internet distribution. It's the same thing that's happening to newspapers and bookstores - still around, but becoming less relevant every year.

    Cue their attempts to get laws passed to ban the new competition...

  3. Is *this* HD? DO NOT WANT! by jonaskoelker · · Score: 4, Insightful
    FTA:

    In response to competitive pressures from DirecTV and Verizon FiOS, Comcast recently decided to sacrifice some quality to improve quantity. Isn't this just great? In response to competition, comcast gives you a crappier product. This also illustrates that Comcast oversubscribes its bandwidth to the point where they have to not deliver the service you expected, just as for their internet services.

    But what I find the most frightening is looking at the pictures in the article I quoted, and then realising that "These images were rescaled to half-resolution". Imagine how coarse they must look at twice the size if a downscaling doesn't produce anything more smooth than that.

    I'm starting to rediscover my love for that ~15 year old 14" CRT thing I have in my room.
  4. Should redefine "HD" by yabos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    HDTV only defines the resolution AFAIK. At least I've never seen any minimum for HDTV bit rates to still be considered HDTV. Just because it's 1080p it shouldn't be considered HD if it's 2Mbps. HDTV specs should define a bit rate that has to be required to have HD. I don't see how Comcast can call what was shown in the link as HD with all that macro blocking.

  5. Re:Screws to HDTV? Not exactly by jtn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What? Consumers aren't allowed to criticize a service they pay for when they notice other competing services provide better quality? What world do you live in? Nowhere did I say it was *easy*, I said it was possible, given money and desire to provide BETTER service than your competitors.

    And for your information, I have provided city-wide Internet, TV and phone service before. No, not millions, but Comcast doesn't operate at that level either, if you had any clue as to how they actually operate. Most of their services operate sub-regionally, in loosely grouped clusters of service areas. They are moving in the direction of combining their service zones, which according to anyone familiar with basic economic theory would understand should decrease their cost of service, meaning more money in their coffers which should enable them to perform service upgrades mentioned by myself and others.

  6. Re:FIOS TV Has one HUGE Limitation IMO by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is true, and it may be that if I got another Actiontec it would work just fine; however I use my network for a lot of various things and I prefer to choose the router that I use.

  7. Re:Not suprising at all by billcopc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not ? Because Sweden is not in North America.

    I honestly don't know much about Sweden (despite a few visits), but I think it is safe to assume your telecommunications providers are nowhere near as enormous, corrupt and heavy-handed as American ones. There is no competition at all in North America, everyone just gouges like mad, and when an independent tries to push out better services and/or lower prices, they get sued into oblivion or often times bought out and destroyed.

    If there were some form of harsh punishment for such blatant abuse of the capitalist system, maybe things would be better for everyone here, but the people drafting the rules are on the receiving end of significant lobbying from the telecoms, so it won't happen anytime soon.

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  8. Re:Screws to HDTV? Not exactly by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why? because they invested hundreds of millions of dollars on mpeg2 equipment and commercial quality h264 and xvid equipment does not exist. That's strange, I'll tell everyone using the new terrestrial broadcast system using H.264 here in Norway that it doesn't exist. Never mind that almost the whole country is live (last go live in november) and that analog broadcasts are already shut down in some areas and will be gone all over the country by end of next year. Friend of mine has cable, AFAIK it's H.264 signals too. The US has standardized on MPEG2, but the rest of the world is moving forward.
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  9. Re:Not suprising at all by DarkProphet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    MOD PARENT UP!

    This stupid dickering over population density and whatall manages to totally miss the point. In the U.S. there IS NO FREE MARKET for telco. Not even close. In which case, inertia is the biggest culprit, which explains why a very significant minority of the populous STILL can't get anything better (bandwidth/latency-wise) than freakin' dialup. The 'last-mile' problem exists for the same reason. When there is one telephone company and one cable company in town (in some cases they are one and the same), there is absolutely NO reason why that company would roll out last-mile fiber. The CEOs of those companies would be flogged by the shareholders for even suggesting what would be perceived as an unnecessary and costly venture. It is a chicken-and-egg scenario for a lot of companies. For the majority of internet users, anything beyond bare-bones 1024/256 DSL is really not necessary. People would likely find a use for it if it existed, but don't demand the upgrade in infrastructure because it is a white elephant ATM.

    For example, I live 18 miles from the nearest town, and get 1024/256 DSL by pure accident because I live on a well-traveled highway. Us lucky folks get to watch streaming video without hiccups. Our modem-bound neighbors a mile to the north have no such luxury. :-/

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  10. Re:The Comcast guy whas at my house yesterday! by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The statement was still a lie. He may be repeating the official company lie, but he was stating as fact something that was untrue, and somewhere along the line someone intentionally made that untrue statement and trained other people to repeat the lie. Actually, if the person was just repeating a trained lie, then not only should you believe nothing the individual says, but you should also assume anyone else in his position will be telling you lies.

    Just because the person you are speaking to is dumb as a box of rocks, don't assume that they are not just the mouthpiece for someone smarter that is intentionally trying to deceive you.

  11. Adolf's Third Law by adolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would like to state the following:

    Any time an individual searches the Internet hoping to find negativity on any topic, no matter how innocent, they will not be disappointed in that effort.

    To wit:

    Linux sucks. Windows sucks. Dell sucks. HP sucks. Driving sucks. Mercedes-Benz sucks. Kia sucks. Harley Davidson sucks. Furries suck. Google sucks. Indoor plumbing sucks.

    I'd go on, but Adolf's Third Law states that I don't have to.

  12. Re:since when does popular mean crap? by Thugthrasher · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Popular brands have more failures. You are reading it as "Popular brands have a higher failure rate" which is not necessarily true and not even close to what he was saying. If I sell a product with a 1% failure rate and sell 6 million units I am almost definitely going to have MORE FAILURES than the shitty product with a 50% failure rate if they only sell 5,000 units

  13. Re:Not suprising at all by zerocool^ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This stupid dickering over population density and whatall manages to totally miss the point. In the U.S. there IS NO FREE MARKET for telco. Not even close. In which case, inertia is the biggest culprit, which explains why a very significant minority of the populous STILL can't get anything better (bandwidth/latency-wise) than freakin' dialup.

    I would argue that free market isn't the only solution. In fact, pretty much any system other than the one we have now would be better for ISP's in the USA.

    For instance, free market might solve some of the problems, except that the established companies already own the cable. A startup can't put in cable without negotiating with the town and without a huge startup capital investment. In this situation, a socialized internet provider would work, too, like water. Buy your internet from the government, which runs a nominally third party entity that handles the technology but that has service requirements and price caps.

    Honestly, the fact that right now we have a government-granted monopoly, and that it's essentially unregulated, is what's causing the problems.

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