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NYC Lawyers Subpoena Code

RonMcMahon writes "Lawyers for the city of New York have subpoenaed the text message records of thousands of people involved in demonstrations at the 2004 Republican National Convention. Tad Hirsch, creator of the TXTmob code that enabled convention demonstrators to transmit messages to thousands of telephones, has been instructed to release the content of messages exchanged on the service and to identify people who sent and received messages. Hirsch argues that release of such information would be a violation of users' First Amendment and privacy rights. 'I think I have a moral responsibility to the people who use my service to protect their privacy,' said Hirsch."

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  1. Subpoena? by bckspc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's GPLed! Just download the code at http://sourceforge.net/projects/txtmob/

    1. Re:Subpoena? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 5, Informative

      But that's not really what is being requested. As often happens, the slash headline doesn't represent the slash article. Neither appears to represent what's said in the real article. The code wasn't subponaed, the author was. What they are looking for are lists of texters and the text contents.

  2. LEARN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    They cannot subpoena logs that you don't keep.

    1. Re:LEARN by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Funny

      If I remember correctly, before that, some technomoron judge actually ordered them to keep logs of everything in ram at all times..

    2. Re:LEARN by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Informative

      That was just Slashdots spin on the ruling - the effect of the judgment was 'begin logging'.

  3. Glad it's not Sony or Microsoft or some other corp by electrictroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this was a corporation (which has no soul or moral code), the content of the messages would already be in NYC's lawyers' hands.

    Fortunately in this case, it's a man who believes in human rights.

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  4. Anonymous political speech by dreamchaser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anonymous political speech has a long tradition in the US. Many of our founding fathers hid behind pseudonyms while writing many of what are termed 'The Federalist Papers' which laid much of the groundwork for the US Constitution.

    If the messages were inciting people to break the law I could possibly understand, but on the face of what few facts I have on the subject right now my knee wants to jerk right into the Government's jaw a few times.

    1. Re:Anonymous political speech by timmarhy · · Score: 4, Informative
      even telling people to break the law shouldn't be illegal though, because some laws are unjust and NEED to be challenged, and that kind of freedom to challenge authority needs to be encouraged.

      frankly i grow tired of being snooped on

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    2. Re:Anonymous political speech by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, the whole point of breaking the law to overturn a bad law is that you're challenging it by standing up and saying "I'm prepared to be punished for this, because I don't believe it's just that others should be." So if your purpose in telling people to break the law is to encourage civil disobedience, but you yourself have no plans to be punished, then you're not doing it right.

      A more important principle is that people shouldn't be denied their rights to participate in the democratic process because they've broken the law. That those convicted of crimes are permanently barred from voting in the majority of states is essentially a gateway to legalized vote-rigging (look at the lifestyles of your opponents and criminalize it), and a barrier to overturning unjust laws that affect large numbers of people.

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    3. Re:Anonymous political speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not everybody is a Ghandi, or a Martin Luther King. Some of us are not willing to go to jail, and breaking the law anonymously, and encouraging others to do so, is an important step that we can take to obtain freedom.

      I totally agree with you about taking away citizen's voting rights.

    4. Re:Anonymous political speech by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're correct to a point. I should have clarified as 'inciting to violence' rather than inciting to break the law. Civil disobedience is a good thing. For that matter, there sometimes comes a point where violent revolution is a good thing as well (prior art: The American Revolution).

      I am basically of the mind that you just have to follow the course of the three boxes. Soap Box, then Ballot Box, then Ammo Box. I also hope and pray that the latter option is never really required. I would far prefer a political revolution to an armed one.

    5. Re:Anonymous political speech by Ironsides · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's the actual quote.
      "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
      soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
      -Ed Howdershelt (Author)

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  5. Re:Yahoo by Yvanhoe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't click this link, it is malicious.

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  6. T'was ever thus by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every time you surrender your rights to the state in return for assurances that a) people who might be breaking some minor law like jaywalking have nothing to worry about and b) the new powers will be used only against the really, really bad people, should sit up and take notice. This is exactly the kind of thing you can expect.

    How many people who want to exercise their legal right to protest will sit home next time because their career ambitions include jobs where even being on the same street as a protest could knock them off the hiring list?

    It's always best to assume governments and police forces are led by lying, treacherous fascists. You will occasionally be pleasantly surprised to find that it's not the case. More often, you'll find out that power-tripping assholes are attracted to those jobs the same way child molesters are attracted to schoolgrounds and bank robbers are attracted to banks.

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    1. Re:T'was ever thus by Omestes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the parent is correct about much of modern protest, but not all. But even if it is abused, or done for no real reason, it still is a handy tool that we may need someday (or, arguably now).

      I remember in college I had a bunch of friends telling me about the "die in" (basically laying down, acting dead-ish in the student union) they were holding. This was fine an noble, but they were completely unable to actually tell anyone what it was over, but they still got around 70-100 people to participate. I think, in the end, it was over the food supplier for the university or something, but I'm not sure since the organizers still won't tell me.

      Yearly PRISM (the gay activist club) would organize demostations and protests for equal rights and gay marriage, one year it was then doing some stupid musical/play thing in the middle of campus. All it served was to make it impossible to study there, and to set them further apart from the rest of us (making it easier to single them out). Though the year previous they organized my favorite demonstration ever, "Gay people being gay", and it consisted of them sitting around the commons, studying, and socializing normally, while surrounded by yellow police tape, showing people that they were just people. I actually signed their petition that year.

      Most protesters act outragious, and thus can pointed out at deviants and oddballs, which weakens to position that people are protesting. It makes it easier for someone to point at them and discredit them. By acting like morons they discredit their own cause. Ideally protesters should wear business attire, have professional signs, and offer and eloquent message, this way they have the image of at least treating their issue seriously, and don't come off as a bunch of mentally unstable ex-hippies wearing hemp pants who actually believe that the GOP eats babies.

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  7. Re:Glad it's not Sony or Microsoft or some other c by will_die · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If he was interested in human rights we would release the text since knowing the information would help free the people being charged in the lawsuits or it would prove that something wrong was done and make sure those people had no chance of doing the same thing in the future.
    Instead he stored the messages for some personnal or business reason.

  8. Why does he have the data? by Ed+Avis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The data cannot be subpoena'd if it does not exist. Why does his system keep records of who said what to whom? And if it needs the records, why doesn't it delete them after a short period? And if the system does keep an archive, why didn't he delete it manually before now, if people's privacy is so important?

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    1. Re:Why does he have the data? by GreatBunzinni · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm far from being an expert in TXTMob but it appears that it relies on user-defined mailing lists to send and receive text messages. That's probably what the NYC lawyers are looking for.

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    2. Re:Why does he have the data? by themacks · · Score: 3, Informative
      A quote from the article:

      Mr. Hirsch says that some of the subpoenaed material no longer exists and that he believes he has the right to keep other information secret.
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      i read about it in a blog once
  9. Re:Glad it's not Sony or Microsoft or some other c by Lockejaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think GP's point is that it's easier to be evil when you aren't signing your own name to the order.

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  10. Re:Messages are ephemeral by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    You don't know me. Sure I do. You're BadAnalogyGuy.

    You don't know whether it is really me writing this or someone pretending to be me. Mmmm...it's you. Just a guess though.

    You don't know how many "me"s there are behind this nickname. 42?

    You don't know how many other accounts I have that pretend to be someone besides me. 6

    Which me is the real me? You!

    Which you is the real you? Me!

    Which way to Kathmandu? That way! ===>

    Would you, could you in a car? From afar? Or with a jar?

    Eat them, eat them! Here they are. Mmmmmm...burgers from a bar?

  11. 2004 Republican National Convention in NYC by myspace-cn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For those who have forgotten (or never heard about) the whole unconstitutional ordeal.
    http://www.2600.com/rnc2004/index.html

    Down with Amurkan fascists! And their plastic orange fences.
    We have all gone to look for America.

  12. Phoenix AZ New Times subpoena similarity by lanner · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Similar to this;

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-10-18/news/breathtaking-abuse-of-the-constitution/

    The local prosecutors office ordered and conducted the arrest of the newspaper editors for disclosing the fact that they had been requested, through the act of a horrifically crooked grand jury subpoena (which neither the judge nor jury had approved or even seen), to turn over a list of their entire readership and website visitors over a period of years.

    I hope for a similar, if not stronger, reaction.