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Creative Vista Driver Modder Speaks Out

hol writes sends a followup on Creative Labs shutting down the modder who made their drivers work with Vista. Wired is running daniel_k's response to the contretemps."

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  1. Re:Idiots. by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He should make out a cashier's check for the total amount of donations he's received, mail it to Creative Labs

    must be the new 'american way'; to reward companies for bad behavior (multiple times over) with a CASHIER'S CHECK.

    (sigh).

    no, he should NOT send money to the company that caused the problem. good grief, man, what are you thinking?

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  2. Do NOT buy Creative Sound Cards by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thats the solution. You have it from Creative's mouth. They purposefully are positioning themselves to cripple your hardware to make the actual cost of your card higher if you have Vista.

    This is not a problem with Vista, it is a problem with Creative if they do that.

    So, do not buy Creative sound cards and let them go out of business.

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  3. Modding closed source can be troublesome by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hardware makers, especially those that make drivers for their gear, don't understand a hacker's mentality, or even the rebuke they get from not listening to customers. I applaud the guy; did what he needed to get the Vista Not Ready gear working. They should hire him after they throw out their software contractor and their VP of whoever thought that killing the driver was a good idea.

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    1. Re:Modding closed source can be troublesome by GreatBunzinni · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, that would be fine and dandy if the real problem behind Creative's Windows Vista drivers were the result of incompetence. On the other hand, what daniel_k said made me strongly believe that Creative was intentionally fucking up the drivers in order to make their products appear rotten in Windows Vista and then force their users into an upgrade cycle. That has nothing to do with misunderstanding a hacker's mentality. That's screwing us all, the potential clients, up the ass.

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  4. Re:Idiots. by plague3106 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, since it's pretty obvious that what he was doing was un-crippling software that they had intentionally broken, I think it's understandable that they're pissed.

    Normally I'd agree. But why should I lose features in Vista because Creative decided that the card I already bought shouldn't work in a new OS? I can only think it is to encourage people to buy new cards. That's slimey.

  5. Re:Is this real? - Umm yes by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the real moral of the story is stay away from Creative.

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  6. Drivers in by slapout · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Windows are very difficult to write. If this guy modded someone else's, they should hire him.

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  7. Re:Is this real? - Umm yes by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, as much as I despise Vista and Microsoft in general, they can't be faulted for some greedy hardware manufacturer trying to scam more money out of people that have already bought their stuff. It's part of the good faith agreement between consumer and manufacturer that the hardware, for a reasonable amount of time, will work on modern common operating systems.

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  8. Re:Is this real? - Umm yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, the real moral of the story is that knowledge is power and thinking for yourself is freedom.

  9. Analogy by apodyopsis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Software crippling is standard practice. I am a professional embedded software engineer and I guarantee that the majority of model sperated features are all only a few bits of cleverly coded SW to tell them apart. Hell most of the jobs I have ever had in consumer electronics or industrial applications are implemented this way - ie. one standard set of HW and a configuration file and different stickers to tell the top of the range from the basic model.

    This is really all Creative were doing, attempting to force enough of a difference between bottem end products and older products and the new top of the range technologies to ensure sales stay up. You cannot really blame them this this commercial decision.

    ...BUT...

    what I take exception to is the fact that they have made none of this clear to the consumers. and worse, they have actively degraded the functionality of hardware people have already paid for by means of drivers for a new operation system.

    In other words it is as though you purchased a car hifi and used it for a year in your Ford. Then you purchased an Mercedes and fitted the same car hifi and found the audio output was at half the resolution in your new car. If you have wanted to spend the money and pay for double the resolution then nobody would of batted an eyelid - but you would reasonably expect that the original performace would of been preserved. At the very least you would of expected some notification or warning.

    And thats why Creative are in hot water - apart from their shockingly rude and arrogant behaviour that is.

  10. Re:Is this real? - Umm yes by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought they must be under some sort of contract restrictions with Microsoft (who is under restrictions from the media companies) that has harsh legal fines for enabling things like that. That's the only sane reason I can think of that Creative would do something like sue a guy who was pretty much fixing their drivers for free. Likely part of the contract is that they're not allowed to speak publicly about the restrictions in it, nor are they allowed to let third parties bypass them.

    Or they are just lawsuit happy jerks. That is a nonzero possibility as well. I thought it was funny that the Creative exec was basically saying "It's our right to release broken drivers if we want to". Clearly Creative knows a lot about broken drivers.

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  11. Creative Alternatives by colinbrash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Terratec and M-Audio both make quality sound cards, and I much, much prefer those companies to Creative.

  12. Re:Idiots. by glwtta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But why should I lose features in Vista because Creative decided that the card I already bought shouldn't work in a new OS?

    Because you're Creative's bitch.

    Remember how we used to buy and "own" things? Well, now apparently companies are claiming the right to tell us how we may, or may not, use their products after "buying" them, even with physical hardware. Since the number of people who care about things like this enough to stop buying shiny gadgets is minuscule, I see no reason why this tactic shouldn't work.

    After all, it's their product, why shouldn't they have complete control over how you "consume" it - there's money to be made, after all.

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  13. Looking at it from another angle... by Whuffo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Creative had a good run for many years; perfectly adequate sound cards (not great, but not bad) and a line of reasonable MP3 players.

    But things have changed; the iPod has made Creative's portable music player largely irrelevant - and on-board sound is a standard feature of motherboards these days.

    So what is poor Creative to do? They could take the honorable path; see that their market has dried up and either innovate in another market or close down their business. But no; they're used to getting those dollars coming in on a regular basis and decided to try something less-than-honorable.

    But they got caught at it. Too bad; Creative is in a worse position now. Not only are they still faced with sharply declining revenues, they've also got a public relations nightmare to deal with too.

    Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch; here's payback for all those crappy drivers you dumped on your customers. Die in a fire, OK?

  14. Re:Is this real? by reddburn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    WTF? When I was younger, they would HIRE you for this.

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  15. Re:Is this real? - Umm yes by barc0001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, the sub-issue here is that Creative's Vista drivers for said hardware don't work properly at all. So this guy's drivers are the only useful Vista drivers for that hardware. The fact that he re-enabled Dolby is an interesting sideshow and the one Creative's using as a club here to beat him, but the real spotlight should be on what the hell is wrong with Creative that they can't have their team of day-job programmers make drivers that work in a year, but a lone hobbyist tinkerer can.