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patspam writes "As a software engineer I come up with patentable ideas every now and then, ideas which I'm not interested in pursuing myself but which I'd like to keep out of the hands of private entities/patent trolls in my own personal effort to defeat software patents. Should I patent the ideas and donate them to some sort of open source foundation? Or just blog about the ideas so that the 'prior art' exists in the public domain? What's your strategy for fighting against restrictive software patents?"

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  1. Some considerations by kanweg · · Score: 5, Informative

    Publishing is a fine way to create prior art, effectively inhibiting any further patents for that very idea. However, make sure you add as much detail as possible to give a patent attorney as little leeway as possible.

    If you blog it, the content may get lost. Is it possible for you to (crudely) implement your ideas and put that code on sourceforge or some other repository, together with a description. In the comments of the code you can elaborate on things not implemented. In such a repository, the ideas may be longer lived, and more people may see it (and if necessary bring it to the attention of a patent office).

    Bert
    Patent agent

  2. Re:As far as US is concerned by mavenguy · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a common misconception. This will not defeat someone else who conceives and files for a patent later in the US. From 35 USC 102:

    A person shall be entitled to a patent unless--
    ...
    (g)(2) before such person's invention thereof, the invention was made in this country by another inventor who had not abandoned, suppressed, or concealed it. In determining priority of invention under this subsection, there shall be considered not only the respective dates of conception and reduction to practice of the invention, but also the reasonable diligence of one who was first to conceive and last to reduce to practice, from a time prior to conception by the other. (Emphasis added)

    You need to actively work on it and have reduced it to practice (the latter which is satisfied by filing a patent application). Your triumphant opening of the envelope might garner you bragging rights, but no destructive effect on the patent rights of others.

  3. Re:As far as US is concerned by IAmGarethAdams · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unfortunately however, this is unlikely to be admissible in any serious context.

    Most postal services have absolutely no problem with letting you send an empty, open envelope to yourself; after which you have an open, registered and dated empty envelope which you can later fill with a pre-dated proof of invention and seal.

  4. Worthless advice, here's why. by Yoozer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Moreover, also write the idea, go to post office and mail it (sealed) to yourself (and may be also another one to your trusted legal advisor) by registered mail.
    Do not do this. See http://www.copyrightauthority.com/poor-mans-copyright/
    This trick works with anything else, too, so it worthless advice.
  5. Re:Creating "Prior Art." by ortholattice · · Score: 4, Informative

    To establish prior art you need to publish. The problem is that magazines and journals are fairly selective about content because they have to pay or the content has to fit their market or be interesting in some way. Then there is credibility, if you write an article about recommendations or motor control methodology, something you've done as a hobby project, a magazine or journal may not choose to publish because it can not properly verify the content.

    This is highly dependent on the journal. In the case of trade journals, a lot of them are actually dying for "real" articles buried in their mass of ads, and ads thinly disguised as articles, to attract readership. In the past I have submitted many "test cases" to a trade rag on electronics test and all of them were published without question. In some cases they were patentable ideas I specifically wanted to make public domain, because it wasn't worth it to me to go through the patent expense but I also didn't want to be prevented from using them in the future. As a side effect I became well-known in the field, very helpful for my consulting work.

    On the other hand, I have submitted a couple of ideas to the "Design Ideas" section of EDN magazine. Both were rejected, even though I thought they were reasonable. I think the problem there is simply that the column is very popular and they have more submissions than they can publish, so it depends on the whim of the editor that day.

    Anyway it depends on the journal. I guess my point is that if you're going to write it up anyway, might as well submit it and see what happens, doesn't cost anything. If it does get published, you'll make a name for yourself and have something for your CV, as well as establishing prior art. For best results find a little known or start-up trade rag in the field that's 90% ads. And if it doesn't get published, you'll still have your write-up for some on-line thing as you suggested.

  6. Publish it as a patent application by Woodpeckeruk · · Score: 5, Informative

    The best way to ensure that i) it is published; ii) that it will be available for patent searching in perpetuity; and iii) you don't have to spend too much money, is to write it all down in detail and send it to a patent office as an application. Provided you pay the initial filing fees, all patent applications are published. You can speed up publication by specifically requesting it, rather than waiting for 18 months. As an example (since I am a UK patent attorney), what I would recommend is filing an application consisting of pretty much anything at all, paying the £100 fee and then letting the application lapse after publication. Even easier than that, simply post your invention disclosure to the UK-IPO, Newport, Gwent, UK including the words "I would like to apply for a patent for the following", making sure to include some contact details, and the UK-IPO will let you know what else they need.

    If I remember right, the US has a similar 'defensive' patent system for doing precisely this, but I would rather leave the details to someone else.

  7. Ban this troll, and some other advice! by greginterrupted · · Score: 5, Informative

    Can the moderators look up this troll's IP address and ban it? Or even the range of IPs? We have all seen these nimp.org links on Slashdot for several days at least, and it is annoying. I hate to give the troll attention by posting this but we should be able to ban this hater from Slashdot with minimal effort. I would hate to think that it is a dupe account of a meaningful poster, but we can take that chance given the content that the troll is posting as Anonymous Coward.

    I fell for the link in Firefox and their popup blocker didn't catch it, even though I'm running the latest version and I have auto-updates turned on. Good thing my speakers were turned off.

    If it hits you:

    1. It's easy enough to hit ctrl-alt-delete and bring up task manager to close the instance of your web browser if you run windows.
    2. If you run linux you're probably knowledgeable enough to do a kill or kill -9.
    3. The design of the nimp.org link actually helps you to close all of the web browser windows that pop up. The default behavior of windows is to "group similar taskbar buttons" together. You may have noticed this from the old tabless-web browsing when you had many instances of (gasp) IE or another browser open. Windows would annoyingly consolidate all of the windows into a single button on the taskbar. To switch between windows, you needed to click on the button and a drop-down menu would appear. So the nice thing about this grouping is that after enough nimp.org browser windows show up, windows consolidates them, and you can simply right click on the one button that represents the dozens of web browser windows. Select 'close' from the drop down menu and you're good. In fact, I keep the "group similar taskbar buttons" feature turned on just for trolls like the AC who posts the NIMP links. That, and tabbed browsing lets me run only one instance of a web browser instead of running one instance for each open web page. If you want to change the behavior, right click on the taskbar and select properties, and you'll see a menu with the 'group similar taskbar buttons' checkbox.

    Just wanted to bring some attention to this instead of sweeping it under the rug, and also wanted to provide advice on how to close your browser easily if it hits you.

  8. Re:As far as US is concerned by greensoap · · Score: 4, Informative

    First off ---- I am not a lawyer. The information contained within should not be relied upon. If you are in need of legal counsel, please seek out a licensed attorney in your state. I do not intend to create an attorney/client relationship with any reader. I am just a law student and I am not qualified to provide legal advice, but hopefully I know a little more than the average joe.

    The parent is flat out wrong. The USPTO, or a court, can use a publication under 102(b) or 102(e) to show that an invention is not novel. Regardless of the status of the a patent on the prior art. 102(g) is related to if an inventor is trying to get a patent on his invention, not whether a publication can be used against another as prior art.

    Perhaps I should explain. If there exists a publication describing the subject of a patent application and that publication was published more than one year prior to the application (also applies to if the subject of the patent was in public use in the US or for sale in the US), it is an absolute bar to the patent. 35 USC Section 102(b).

    Blogging about an invention is a publication and can be used to destroy novelty for further inventors. The problem is that the USPTO is less likely to find your art than if it is an issued patent or an application.

    If the As a suggestion to the original post, maybe a provisional application would meet your desire:
    http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/provapp.htm

    Provisional applications are published after 18 months, and if the application matures into an issued patent, it will count as art from the day it was filed. You still have to meet some of the more stringent requirements though, so this may not be the right solution. Also, if you don't intend to get a patent on the idea, it is better to publish something as well as file the provisional. That way there is a publication farther back in time than just the publication of the application that will never mature into an issued patent.

    But as I said before, the parent is wrong and misunderstands the import of 102(g). The designation of informative on that post is misplaced.