Slashdot Mirror


Dell Abandons Its Customization Roots

LiveFreeOrDieInTheGo writes "Dell intends to scale back its build-to-order service model, while increasing sales of prepackaged systems. The goal: $3B USD savings by 2011. The downside: customers expect Dell to build-to-order. The deeper downside: Dell will outsource more production and assembly."

16 of 372 comments (clear)

  1. Typical kneejerk business move... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm a fan of Dell kit, but when HP hae beaten you in sales for 6 successive quarters - as stated in the article - limiting the amount of customizing may save you cash, but it isn't going to get more people buying your kit is it?

    The 'fix' doesn't seem to be the solution to the highlighted problem... sure it'll save you money in the short term, but no gains in share there at all. Less customization is never going to make a punter go "oh, I'll buy that because it's not as customizable".

    Add to that the outsourcing of manufacture and it all looks like a world of hurt waiting to happen.

    *baffled*

  2. Hardly. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When companies seek to recover these kinds of profits, they cut something more important.

    Their reputation.

    Most likely, they will move their call centers out of India and into a lower paying 3rd world country. The lower techs will be given even less latitude to help fix problems. Along with that, they will reduce access (and numbers) of higher up support, along with "new policies" of the 'not our fault' game.

    They will obviously cut their unprofitable programs, such as their IdeaStorms website, all Linux support for low and middle tiers, along with the cheaper customizable options. They will leave customizing available for the higher packages, as all businesses cater to the big spenders.

    Yes, our system is based upon a race to the bottom, but depending how you get there means if you survive or not. That really depends on how their deals with Microsoft go, as they are parasites upon MS.

    --
  3. A current "Dell House" by UrgleHoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I work for a small (about 100 person) company with a heterogeneous environment (Linux, OS X, Windows). In the past few years the IT team has settled on Dell for quick turnaround of ordering customized systems and consistency (the devil you know). They order Dell laptops, desktops and servers. It has pretty much turned into a "Dell house." The quick turnaround on customized orders is extremely important to meet developer needs. If Dell makes custom ordering take longer or involves increased hassle, I would bet that our IT management would start looking into other vendors.

    --

    Dogma - "let's just say we'd like to avoid any empirical entanglements."
  4. Re:Deeper Downside? by torkus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ahh...but you see that's 5-15 years down the road. The shareholders (e.g. uber-rich trading firms) all want to meet this years or this QUARTER's financial targets.

    --
    You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
  5. Re:Wow by calebt3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember: The market is steadily moving towards laptops. And laptops are harder to custom-build.

  6. Outsourcing Gets a Bad Rap, Race to the Top by tjstork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Our system isn't a race to the bottom. It is a race to what people want. People want computers at the cheapest possible price and they do not care about tech centers or even support.

    Outsourcing is a good thing for the economy, not a bad thing. If Ford did not outsource, for example, it would have to make everything from the drills for the oil, the refineries for the gasoline, the machines to make the steel and the chips and the plastic, really, recreate the entire economy and in doing so lose the efficiencies that come with shared costs. We can lament outsourcing of some function at a company, to make ourselves feel good, but, if there were no outsourcing, there would be no cars, no tvs, computers, or any of the millions of products, in all their choice and complexity, because those products would not exist without outsourcing.

    We ourselves, each and everyone one of us, outsource all of the time. Go ahead can say Dell is terrible because they outsourced a call center to India or the Philippines, but we outsource every time we use a stapler or a printer, or for that matter, even a computer. How many developers recommend using MySql or Postgres or even Linux over some solution developed in-house. That is outsourcing too, and without that outsourcing, it is very likely that there would be less jobs and more economic stagnation. Few products have the margin or merit to justify the creation of a custom database server or operating system solely for them.

    In that vein, outsourcing a call center might actually result in -better- customer service. If a place in India has 200,000 people answering the phones, they are going to get the economies of scale that even Dell could not possibly get.

    Outsourcing actually -creates- opportunity. Any time you see more than one company engaged in a similar practice, that is an opportunity for a product or a service than can be outsourced to someone else, and that person might as well be you. If outsourcing did not exist, then, there would be no opportunity, the companies that could have benefited from outsourcing would stagnate, and products would remain more expensive, rather than less.

    Bottom line is, outsourcing is a good deal, rather than a bad once, and the dramatic increase in the standard of living in much of the world - from the skyscrapers in China, the surge of wealth in India, to the internet of south korea and the massive works in Dubai, the world is getting richer and better off for it. Even in the USA, where outsourcing has been the subject of much debate, everyone has benefited from outsourcing.

    --
    This is my sig.
    1. Re:Outsourcing Gets a Bad Rap, Race to the Top by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We ourselves, each and everyone one of us, outsource all of the time. Go ahead can say Dell is terrible because they outsourced a call center to India or the Philippines, but we outsource every time we use a stapler or a printer, or for that matter, even a computer

      Poppycock. It's one thing to outsource things that aren't your core business, I mean, those not in the stapler business shouldn't be making staplers. But if you're in the stapler business and you outsource the manufacturing, assembly, and support of staplers, then exactly what IS your business? What opportunity does that get you? You've mostly switched the business from being a manufacturer to a distributor. Assuming the distribution hasn't been outsourced. Maybe Dell is becoming just a retailer. All this sounds like is getting rid of your business and painting yourself into a corner.

    2. Re:Outsourcing Gets a Bad Rap, Race to the Top by TheNucleon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some of us - those whose jobs have not yet gone overseas - have benefitted from outsourcing in the short term. But in the long term, we annihilate our internal industries, bleed talent and capabilities, and become accustomed to an unsustainable lifestyle. It will all eventually tank, as it is beginning to do now. The dollar is headed from hero to zero, and once there, the currency and lifestyle disparities between us and our outsourcing vendors (that got us all of this near-free stuff) will be gone.

      I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you. Outsourcing is a very bad deal. While it has the allure of temporarily deflating the cost of goods and services, it is, in the end, a direct assault on the lower and middle class. Because companies can now outsource to other nations without such pesky problems as labor laws or a living wage, we are quickly seeing the working class gains of the last few decades evaporate.

      --
      My comments are my own, and do not represent the views of my employer, my spouse, my children, or my cats.
  7. Re:Deeper Downside? by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thats exactly it: nobody with power cares for the long term maluses by strongly pushing outsourcing.

    As long as the quarter looks good, its golden. Another question would be this: Why do the uber rich trading firms want to only see short term gains, and not longer term ones?

    What financial disadvantage would there be if companies developed new things and technology, and continued further research going ahead up to 30-100 years? Ma Bell did that and we ended up with the transistor, lasers, Unix, C...

    --
  8. Re:In other news... by timmarhy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    she was a terrible ceo, and it's amazing how many of these clowns are out there, jumping from CEO position to position picking up huge packages and leaving a trail of distruction behind them.

    stonemasons, i swear it has to be something of that kind that allows completely useless people to run these companys.

    --
    If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
  9. Re:Deeper Downside? by timmarhy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    man your grasp on economics is staggeringly bad.

    all you have done is grossly over simplified the whole process and picked out the little bits that suit you. the money doesn't just flow in one direction to the widget makers, the widget makers need people from widget land to show them how to build the factories and train them, they need someone to design and market the widgets for them in the first place. In short the clever widget makers who started the whole industry get to specialise at a different part of the supply chain, and don't have to spend all their time subsidising work that can be done better/cheaper else where.

    if your idea's really did work, why does communism and protectionism fail?

    --
    If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
  10. Re:Wow by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dell unfortunately is a victim of its own success too. They sold a crapload of computers during the boom years and had phenomenal growth. The problem is that there's no way to sustain that growth. They'd have to sell like 10 billion computers a year. But Wall Street hits them hard when they can't the market's predictions. So they have focus on making more profits. Which means cutting costs by getting cheaper parts, labor, etc. All the while, the margins are shrinking. It's a bad cycle.

    --
    Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
  11. Re:Deeper Downside? by bendodge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is unions and government regulations. Try firing someone. You have a union to deal with. Try building something really innovative, say a nice new nuclear power plant. Your kids will be grown before you get a single hole dug; you'll still be waiting for the next mountain of papers to be filled out and processed.

    The Canadian automotive industry died because it has even more regulations and unions than the US. China kills US manufacturing because it has less regulation than the US plants. Can you believe that a US plant has to not only pay property tax but a tool tax on the machines? Ol' Patrick Henry would roll over in his grave.

    There are two solutions to this problem:
    1. Protective tariffs: historically a bad idea (recall the Civil War).
    2. Deregulate and deunionize: historically a good idea (think the Iron Lady salvaging Britain).

    Unfortunately, the US is rapidly adopting Hillary's favorite idea: the government can save you! Guess how?

    But then, I don't know of any candidates who don't subscribe to that idea. Republicans just aren't what they used to be. It seems the only differences are on social issues. Economically, all the big candidates look the same. It's so frustrating to talk to people who like what Ron Paul says but dismiss him offhand with a sickly smile and say "But he's not electable."

    The only way to save our economy is to somehow break through people's thick heads. Unfortunately, we are living a generation that thinks in a herd mentality, usually delivered by rich morons like Oprah.

    I only hope the generation now at college (that like Paul so well) will learn something from the current disaster and do something about it.

    (Wow, I this post is all over the map. I feel better after just saying it all though.)

    --
    The government can't save you.
  12. Re:In other news... by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it's a kind of hero worship. "Corporate Saviors," I believe they were called in the 80s or 90s.

    It's a kind of narcissism to believe that it takes these special people to run your company, you have to get just the right person, someone who's done it before, even if they were a spectacular failure. Besides, look at the severance packages.. the companies must have believed in them to offer them that much...

    But it's not all that different from the idea of the box-office superstar. As if only a few people making $20million a picture are capable of making good films. Precisely when it's just the opposite: a movie star will get people in the seats opening night, and maybe save a poor film, but a good movie will get people in the seats five weeks later and establish the body puppets associated with it as "movie stars."

    Anyway, my point is that there are talented, capable people waiting in the wings in every field, and you might just be able to get great performance *and* save on salaries by expanding the scope of your talent search. I hope you're listening, shareholders meetings and Hollywood producers.

    --
    Can you be Even More Awesome?!
  13. Re:In other news... by garutnivore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds good in theory but I don't think that's quite how it works. Even CEOs who would be considered to have failed end up being hired pretty easily somewhere else. The way CEO performance is measured goes like this. When the company the CEO is heading does well, the CEO gets the credit. When the company the CEO is heading goes down the tubes, there's an excuse like "bad economic climate", "piracy" or something else.

    After quitting or being fired from their previous position they are hired with little regard to what their previous performance was because there's always an excuse. Ok, if a CEO does something mind boggingly stupid that will probably have some impact. But run-of-the-mill poor performance won't be enough to make them unemployable.

    I agree with most of your point except that I don't think the rationale used by the board in case of failure would be "the CEO was successful at company X so we had a good reason to hire him." I think the rationale is more like "the CEO was labeled with the sacred seal of corporate infallibility, the three-letter acronym "CEO", so we had a good reason to hire him."

    Heh... I guess I'm more cynical or something.

  14. Re:In other news... by drsmithy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The way CEO performance is measured goes like this. When the company the CEO is heading does well, the CEO gets the credit. When the company the CEO is heading goes down the tubes, there's an excuse like "bad economic climate", "piracy" or something else.

    Exactly. It's the same as religion:

    Things go well - Praise the Lord ! Without him we'd all be fucked.
    Things go badly - it's part of his "greater plan" or "we weren't worthy" or some other such bullshit.