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Your Identity Is Worth Less Than $15
I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "One of the more interesting tidbits in Symantec's Global Internet Threat Report (PDF, 105 pages) is the price sheet, which suggests that someone's 'full identity' is worth in the range of $1-$15. Your email password goes for $4-$30 and your bank account might fetch $10-$1000. With those prices, I wonder how often they pay more for the bank account than is actually in it? There's also an executive summary (PDF, 36 pages)."
Of course this article is wrong. Just look at how much all these politicians care about us.
So when the British government introduce their fantastic, shiney, new, biometric, uhackable ID card system, can we get them to buy our ID off us?
Is crushing a suspect's child's testicles illegal?
John Yoo: "No, [if] the President thinks he needs to do that."
Whilst I am sure identity theft is a very real problem, I'm not sure I want Symantec to be my source of information about it. They have done more to reduce internet security than most, with bloated, unusable virus checkers that people end up simply disabling. Furthermore, there is a pretty obvious marketing angle to all of this.
a bank account might fetch $10-$1000. With those prices, I wonder how often they pay more for the bank account than is actually in it?
How much do you assume the average person has in their bank accounts? I realize that living at home with your parents and not having to pay for rent, utilities, food, and clothes may allow you to skate by with a very low monthly balance, but the vast majority of people who work for a living have to have the cash on hand (in their checking account, anyway) to pay for all these necessities.
But I don't suppose someone whose name is "I don't believe in imaginary property" would have a very solid grasp of the real world.
From TFA - "Bank accounts were the most commonly advertised item for sale on underground economy servers known to Symantec"
I'm curious as to where this data came from. Is it public record from court cases? Or does Symantec know more than the cops?
1. Open lots of bank accounts
2. Sell them
3. Profit
(It'd be funnier if it didn't sound so plausible)
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what should be done is for banks to work together with law enforcement and create a bunch of fake identities with flags on them that when used it automatically notifies the police and sends all information to the police (photos, fingerprints & whatever else)...
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to money launderers. If someone has an empty, neglected bank account they will probably be much less likely to report suspicious activity on it. A fraudster could use the account to have various payments for spam, cracking etc. put into the bank account, then he could make an ATM card linked to that account and draw the money without ever having to use his own name or even go through the trouble of creating a fake identity.
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Your Identity Is Worth Less Than $15
(checks bank balance...)
Yeah, that's about right...*sigh*...
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Check out page 3 of the executive summary. In Jan-Jun of 07, they found that 89% of web vulnerabilities were in ActiveX plugins in IE. 1% of vulnerabilities were in Mozilla extensions.
I think we have a clear winner here...
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My bank account, however, is another matter; nothing gained nothing lost
If your bank account can clear a 6-figure check, then the ability to access that money must be worth more than 1k, right?
stuff |
Who steals my purse, steals trash; 'tis something,
nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to
thousands:
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of about 15 bucks.
Welcome to the Panopticon. Used to be a prison, now it's your home.
2. Sell account information.
3. Close bank account.
Repeat.
[Symantec has] " done more to reduce internet security than most, with bloated, unusable virus checkers..."
Whenever I encounter a computer with Symantec software installed, I uninstall it before doing anything else. My experience with Symantec is that the company's software is VERY buggy.
"Furthermore, there is a pretty obvious marketing angle to all of this."
Having insecurity is profitable for Microsoft, anti-malware software companies, and weapons investors like Cheney and Bush. It's a simple business model:
1) Do evil.
2) Profit!
When apparently you can just dumpster dive behind your local bank to get all the bank accounts you would ever need?
My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
"With those prices, I wonder how often they pay more for the bank account than is actually in it? "
It's not just the funds the fraudsters are after... They are after 3 things:
1) Once you have a bank account, you capacity in the laundering pipeline. With the $10,000 detection threshholds, and the other AML (anti-money laundering) requirements, it takes a lot more bank Xfers to multiple parallel accounts to move money between the point of fraud, to the point of safe harbor. ACH-IN.... ACH-OUT. These are often 'mule' accounts to allow a network of smaller transfers that allow a larger aggregate money movement. Since I have 30-90 days before you notice all these $1-9000 xfers going in and out of your account... I need to constantly get new bank accounts to keep my laundering pipeline at full 'bandwidth.' If I'm lucky, I can pull a change of (email) address on you, so I can completely control the account for a small period of time (NOTE: address change just got 'red flagged' by the US FACT act of 2003... so in addition to Patriot Act reviews at account opening... address changes will (mandatory by all financial institutions by Nov 2008) be audited by regulators to verify the organization did due diligence to check for fraudulent activity).
2) Having a Bank Account makes opening a PayPal, a credit card, a stock trading or another bank account all the easier. All of these are much more lucrative, and they can leverage funds (margin, credit) , and if I open them, there is much less chance of detection by you (since I completely control the contact information). This is classic identity theft ("Officer, I don't have a bank account in the Outer Antilles!")
3) if we get lucky, you got cash... which we'll use in a leverage scam (open a stock account, and seed a pumpNdump).
how do you find sellers? I want to sell my bank account info fro $1000.
If you know someone (hell, anyone) who pays this kinda ca$h, please let me know. With my own domain I can create email addresses indefintely, and at $30 each it's literally printing money.
Now, of course if the reality was that spammers pay a tiny fraction of a cent per address then it's less worth my while (but could still be worth knocking together a script for).
Which option strikes you as most likely? Yes, thought so.
In similar news, my password is worth money too? Really? My password is "chocolate" - that'll be another couple of $$ please (feel free to sell it on yourself, too).
Now, I'll just sit back and wait for all the SPAM^H^H^H^Hmoney to start rolling in. Hmmmm, I think I just burned out my irony circuits.
politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
You set up a sweep account, or manually perform the same action. Basically you take the funds that you want to keep available (for bills, etc.) and invest them in something that is easy to quickly buy/sell without penalty (e.g. money market). Whenever you need cash in your checking account, you transfer it from that investment account. Whenever you have a surplus in your checking, you move it into the investment account immediately, so that it can get a higher interest rate than it would in you checking account.
You can have sweep accounts set up to automatically move money back-and-forth to maintain a reasonable balance in your checking, so that you always have enough to pay bills. Of course a money market (or similar) will get a better return than a bank account, but won't perform as well as longer-term investments (e.g. GIC), so funds not needed on a short-term basis should still be invested elsewhere.
As the grandparent post said, however, keeping substantial sums in a standard bank account amounts to wasting money.
All the more reason to put a freeze on all of 3B reporting agencies. Since Nov 1 2007, everyone is entitled to it.
It cost $10 for each credit reporting agency and well worth it. Unlike LifeLock which only puts a fraud alert on your credit reports every 90 days (you could do this yourself for free), a freeze is exactly that. No accounts can be opened without a pin number given to you by the one of the 3 Bs. Each agency is different, some require 3 days to thaw your report, while others allow you to specify which creditors you want to allow and for how long.
One benefit is when car shopping you don't have the pressure from the sales people, it is very easy to walk out the dealership once they try to look up your credit score. They know they will not be selling you a car tonight, that you will have to come back later with a pin.
Don't you remember just 8 years ago? Stocks are a gamble, nothing more. Like any other casino, you will eventually lose your cash.
... calculating ... a "loss" of about 50 cents a month compared to the parent putting his on the stock market.) My savings account generates about half the interest it would in the stock market (call it money market if you think it sounds better) but my money will never fail to generate. End of story. He can lose all of his money in a crash, scandal, bad report, low earnings, etc. Mine is insured against loss - even if the bank goes bankrupt, I get my money.
My extra money goes into a 4% savings account. I can get it any time with 24 hours notice. Yeah, yeah, I can get 10% on the stock market. Sounds great, until it crashes - again or you get caught in a bad trade.
I tend to keep about a thousand in my chequing account. (Which works out to
Now, the regular chequing account has basically no interest. That's typical, and you shouldn't have just that kind of account, because that's just silly.
I also pay $0 yearly in bank fees. $0. That's right, no monthly fees, no brokerage fees, no debit card fees, no interac fees, etc.
In the meantime, I put extra money onto my mortgage. That's the only place I owe money to. No student loans, no credit card debt, etc. I put 25% down on my house. I owe about 48% of the value of the house on a fixed rate mortgage.
I use some credit cards, but those are only for specific reasons, like 4.5% off gasoline or for tracking costs on vacation. Those are paid off monthly.
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