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Microsoft Discloses 14,000 Pages of Coding Secrets

OrochimaruVoldemort writes "In an unexpected move, Microsoft has disclosed 14,000 pages of coding secrets. According to The Register: 'This is Microsoft's latest effort to satisfy anti-trust concerns of the European Union, which is possibly a tougher adversary for the company than Google.' The article mentioned that this will be done in three phases. 'Between now and June it will garner feedback from the developer community. Then, at the end of June, Microsoft will publish the final versions of technical documentation — along with definitive patent licensing terms.' Lets just hope those terms are pro open source."

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  1. Unexpected? by Plug · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Unexpected? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Informative
      Unexpected as they actually delivered. They had promised several times in the last several years that they would release the documentation but never did. The EU Commission said as much when MS announced the last time they were going to release the documentation:

      The European Commission takes note of today's announcement by Microsoft of its intention to commit to a number of principles in order to promote interoperability with some of its high market share software products. This announcement does not relate to the question of whether or not Microsoft has been complying with EU antitrust rules in this area in the past. The Commission would welcome any move towards genuine interoperability. Nonetheless, the Commission notes that today's announcement follows at least four similar statements by Microsoft in the past on the importance of interoperability.
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  2. On MSDN already by just_another_sean · · Score: 5, Informative
    The prelimnary docs are here.

    I have to admit I'm tempted to be interested in the Exchange stuff. The
    company I work for uses it. As with most MS products it's not, um, horrible,
    when it's working but it's a PITA to troubleshoot problems. The MAPI Tool for
    looking at the "innards" is horrible. Maybe this documentation will at least
    spawn some better third party management tools that I can convince my employer
    to buy.

    For now most pages (all?) are prefaced with:

    [This topic is preliminary documentation and is subject to change in future documentation releases.] I haven't had a chance to search out legalese to answer the summary's question on open source friendlyness.

    I figure a "hope-for-the-best-expect-the-worst" attitude is the best way to approach this one...
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  3. All available as PDF by just_another_sean · · Score: 4, Informative
    The browser interface is broken on Iceweasel for me. I thought at first that all
    the pages had for now was a bunch of disclaimers. Turns out this is just the
    first page of each document. I, for the life of me, could not see a way to go to
    the next page. The side table of contents doesn't work either.

    But every doc is available as a PDF and you can grab whole sections in zip files.
    I found it interesting that they chose a cross platform format like PDF and
    didn't try to shove Word Docs at the world or their MDI(?) format, their supposed
    PDF killer.

    Anyway the legalese is vague and scary for now...

    Intellectual Property Rights Notice for Protocol Documentation

          Copyrights. This protocol documentation is covered by Microsoft copyrights.
          Regardless of any other terms that are contained in the terms of use for the
          Microsoft website that hosts this documentation, you may make copies of it in
          order to develop implementations of the protocols, and may distribute portions
          of it in your implementations of the protocols or your documentation as
          necessary to properly document the implementation. This permission also
          applies to any documents that are referenced in the protocol documentation.

          No Trade Secrets. Microsoft does not claim any trade secret rights in this
          documentation.

          * Patents. Microsoft has patents that may cover your implementations of the
          protocols. Neither this notice nor Microsoft's delivery of the documentation
          grants any licenses under those or any other Microsoft patents. However, the
          protocols may be covered by Microsoftâ(TM)s Open Specification Promise (available
          here: http://www.microsoft.com/interop/osp). If you would prefer a written
          license, or if the protocols are not covered by the OSP, patent licenses are
          available by contacting protocol@microsoft.com.


          Trademarks. The names of companies and products contained in this
          documentation may be covered by trademarks or similar intellectual property
          rights. This notice does not grant any licenses under those rights.

          Reservation of Rights. All other rights are reserved, and this notice does not
          grant any rights other than specifically described above, whether by
          implication, estoppel, or otherwise. * emphaisis mine
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  4. Re:bring on the virii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The plural of virus is viruses.

  5. Re:Admitting They're Lying is Reassuring? by Macthorpe · · Score: 5, Informative
    That's not what they're releasing.

    On show for the first time in public are underlying protocols for Office 2007, Office SharePoint Server 2007 and Exchange Server 2007. This isn't a list of 'secret APIs' for Windows. This is the stuff that glues their Office system together and they were going to keep a hold of as long as possible. It's completely seperate to the anti-trust concerns you're referencing, but they do seem to be using it as a bargaining chip against the EU investigations. It remains to be seen whether that will work or not.
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  6. Re:Press release in docx? What a joke! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The M$ Word viewer can be downloaded for free, which might actually be useful if you happen to be a Windows user.

  7. Re:Why is parent flamebait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    MS has NEVER done anything yet that is pro open source.

    What about the 700 CSS testcases they recently contributed to the W3C under the BSD license? Or any of their other releases under OSI-approved licenses, for example WIX? Are you seriously going to argue that releasing things under open-source licenses is not pro-open-source?

  8. I wouldn't hold my breath here by poetmatt · · Score: 1, Informative

    Most important part of this article:

    In addition, Microsoft will release some 30,000 pages of documentation surrounding Windows client and server protocols.

    Note: WILL not "HAS" and/or not "Will sometime soon". They could be delaying this just long enough to figure out how to break all the protocols on the new OS/on the next service pack.

  9. Re:Ummmm, no by stavros-59 · · Score: 5, Informative

    People said this same thing when the Windows 2000 source code leaked. Nothing happened. Multiple problems with that theory but one of the biggest is simply that it is wrong. Lots of people have the Windows source code. MS has a license where universities can get a copy for research. One university I know that does is ASU in Tempe, Arizona. So this idea that only MS has ever seen the code is false, thus the argument is invalid, never mind the other problems with it even if it weren't.
    I'm not sure that's correct. If you are only talking self-replicating viruses that spread to continue replication, you may be correct. However,the appearance of rootkit anchored malware "in the wild" closely followed that release which made the information widely available outside limited academic and security research circles. The first rootkit was published as far back as 1999 by Greg Hoglund, founder of rootkit.com. There was a lot of academic interest and discussion in rootkit development specifically on Windows NT based systems before that time but almost none had been detected "in the wild". But rootkit anchored, serious malware infections have ballooned are now "professionally" developed for criminal purposes and used as the base for most, if not all, of the botnets. The release of the Windows 2000 source code certainly removed the need for extensive reverse engineering.
    The Windows 2000 source code leak dates back to 2004 http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39146176,00.htm

    Hackerdefender was also coincidently released early in 2004 by holy father

    One of the most frequently encountered is Hacker Defender, created by an Eastern European who calls himself Holy Father. The latest free version was published early in 2004 and, more recently, premium and customized versions of this malware became available for a fee. http://searchwindowssecurity.techtarget.com/news/column/0,294698,sid45_gci1112754,00.html
  10. Re:Well of course not by webmaster404 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Since "Pro open source" seems to mean "Can't cost anything, and can't put any restrictions on it other than requiring the code to be open." That is pretty much going to kill almost anything from being pro open source.

    No, it just means that the code when you get it has to be open or you can ask for it. Think of Red Hat, RHEL is open source yet they still make money off of it. Open source != freeware, you can make money off of open source as Red Hat and other companies have shown. Had MS not been a monopoly they would have to be much more open then they are now.
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  11. Re:Press release in docx? What a joke! by beuges · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know (hope) you were trying to be funny, but you can read MS Office documents without owning Office, and have been able to for at least 8 years or so:

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3657ce88-7cfa-457a-9aec-f4f827f20cac&displaylang=en

  12. Re:Why is parent flamebait? by Creepy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can think of an entire website, which is linked from Microsoft's open source website open source page link.

    Whether they contribute much (if anything) is another question entirely.

    Microsoft does keep a FUD campaign about OSS being hard to use, a toy, lacking support, worse than equivalent commercial software, etc., some of which is true and some just plain smear.

    I can smear Vista as well:
    Vista wipes hard drives and drags your machine to a crawl. The first is a fact, at least for me - Vista automatic update left my machine in an unbootable state during the pre-SR1 patch and I had to erase my drive with an image to get it to work again. The second is smear - running OpenGL on Vista in a window is incredibly slow, but I'm applying it to the entire OS just like they do in some of their comparisons.

    Keep in mind here that I don't hate MS, I hate MS's business practices (heck, I hate most business practices, but they're rich and I'm a peon, so who am I to talk?).