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Windows Live Hotmail CAPTCHA Cracked, Exploited
eldavojohn passes along what may be the last nail in the coffin for CAPTCHA technology. Coming on the heels of credible accounts of the downfall of first Yahoo's and then Gmail's CAPTCHA, Ars Technica is reporting on Websense Security Labs' deconstruction of the cracking and tuning / exploitation of the Live Hotmail CAPTCHA. Ars calculates that a single zombie computer can sign up over 1400 Live Hotmail accounts in a day, and alternate account creation with spamming. Time to dust off Kitten Auth?
One of the best 'exploit' related articles I've seen on /. for awhile. There is actual evidence, and actual screenshots of the exploit in action! No journalists here referring to "magic interweb programs". I wish there was more of this kind of stuff in the news, frankly I'm tired of articles full of statistics but nothing on the tech.
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KittenAuth, Hot or Not, simple math, word tests, anything to get rid of those pain in the ass CAPTCHAs.
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
What we need is a reliable way of determining the age of an account. I would like to refuse mail from any account created less than a week ago. Same for domains. Maybe have a way for finding out that a domain has moved to 10 different IP addresses in the last year as a negative score in spamassassin.
Intron: the portion of DNA which expresses nothing useful.
http://www.johnmwillis.com/other/top-10-worst-captchas/
Pretty soon we'll realize that anything a human can discern on the internet a computer can discern. For about the last year I've noticed that CAPTCHA's have gotten so bad that I can barely read them and they've become an impediment to my surfing. It's ridiculous and it's the same way that studios use DRM: you stop the illegitimate use by making it harder on everyone, including legitimate users.
While kitten auth is an interesting concept, it won't last forever, and it's still a pain in the ass for the users. What happens when a computer learns the difference between a cat and a kitten? Are they going to start pushing the relative ages closer? distorting the image? Put a wav file of a "meow" on the page and make you tell them the cat's last meal? Have a customer service agent chat with you for a few minutes?
They need to start banning based on use and patterns. 1400 accounts created from the same IP on the same day? Cat knowledge or no, that's suspicious behavior. 90% of the emails from that gmail account are getting marked as spam on the other end? Send them an email and ask them what's going on. Every single one of their emails is to 1000 recipients, don't pass a spell check on any words at all, send these five or more times a day and they're suspiciously familiar? Block it.
No one has cracked ReCAPTCHA yet. (This CAPTCHA had a Slashdot article a few months ago.) As it uses text digitized from old books that the best OCR technology couldn't read, it's continually different and already demonstrated to be unintelligible to machines.
Plus, using ReCAPTCHA instead of other solutions also helps Carnegie-Mellon digitize old books for posterity.
From TFA: Microsoft, Google, and all other websites that currently use CAPTCHA, need to find a solution that puts them a step ahead of the spammers. This may well be it.
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Oh Boy - here come the endless "we should do THIS" scenarios.... we should pay for each e-mail... we should all whitelist... we should throttle how many messages a person can send each day... we should outlaw webmail like Yahoo or Gmail...
Problem is that none of them really will work in the Real World (RW).
In the RW people like webmail. In the RW people like to change e-mail addresses, or create new ones for specific needs. In the RW some people like "real" e-mail, downloaded to a local PC, and others like Google or Yahoo or Hotmail and keeping everything on the host server.
In the RW a lot of people and businesses send a lot of bulk e-mail, very legitimate opted-in e-mail. In the RW a lot of people get important messages from entirely new people, people who haven't been whitelisted, and who are unlikely to bother going through the whole "If you want to e-mail me you need to click the link below and prove that you exist" process. After all, clicking links in e-mail is something that we teach people to NOT do.
And in the RW the spammers always stay one step ahead of the ISPs and mail providers anyhow.
No, what's needed is a real ground-up redesign of how e-mail works. we need something that encompasses the ease of current POP/IMAP/Webmail services, but which somehow includes ways to authenticate and/or block mail without user intervention, and which does so with near perfect reliability. And which maintains some backwards compatibility for at least a few years.
Adding more hoops or captchas or whitlelists to the existing mail sysytems just isn't going to solve the problem.
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Unbreakable CAPTCHA Replacement: Which of the following would you most prefer? A: a puppy, B: a pretty flower from your sweety, or C: a large properly formatted data file?
I think I see a wonderful circle here. The basic problem is spam. It's a problem, because we can't seem to make a computer program which can reliably determine whether an email is spam.
Wait a second. We can't make a computer program which can reliably tell if an email is spam. So that's your CAPTCHA right there -- present the user with a selection of emails, approximately half of which are spam, and ask them to identify which is which. Since computers are not good at this task (thus the entire problem!) it seems this would be the ideal challenge.
What is absolutely wondrous about this, is that if the spammers try to solve this problem, what they will create is basically a program which can reliably distinguish spam from non-spam. No spammer would ever do that, because if that piece of miracle technology ever got out in the wild, it would render the spam problem obsolete.
We never had to worry about things like CAPTCHA. The Internet was such a free place back then. We never had to worry about losing our ISP or trying to come up some unique algorithim to overcome barriers. Of course this was in 1993 when there were only about eight people surfing the web and Mr. T eating balls was as high tech as it got. Back then everyone loved spam, it was about the only email we got. In fact we didn't even call it spam back then, we called it spurkey. The only problem we had was trying to figure out how to use the key to get the lid off.
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