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"Secure Elections Act" Coming Up For Vote

Irvu writes "The US House of Representatives is considering HR. 5036, the 'Emergency Assistance for Secure Elections Act of 2008,' as introduced by Representative Rush Holt. The bill is scheduled for a floor vote later today. It would provide for emergency paper ballots, money for the addition of voter verifiable paper ballots to existing systems, and post-election audits. Crucially, the change to paper is opt-in, making it possible for local jurisdictions to govern their own choices. Here are two summaries of the bill. It was reported out of committee with strong bipartisan support. As of this morning the White house has opposed the bill but not threatened a veto, and some previously supportive Republicans have now changed their tune. Calls may be made to your house rep (click on 'Find your representative'). Here's a sample support letter."

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  1. Re:Nonsence... by Metasquares · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Holt is one of the few congressmen who have actually earned my respect - and he's one of the few I'd actually expect to sponsor such a bill without any traps.

  2. What a waste of money by Skyshadow · · Score: 3, Funny

    In all seriousness now, wouldn't it just be easier to call up Diebold on November 4 and ask them who won? Think of all the time and money we'd save.

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  3. Crucially Broken by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Crucially, the change to paper is opt-in, making it possible for local jurisdictions to govern their own choices


    Yes, that is crucial. Because in the jurisdictions that are running rigged elections, that don't want to leave evidence of their rigging, or are just getting bribed by crappy non-verifiable voting machine vendors to buy the crap, despite how it fails any reasonable quality test, those jurisdictions don't have to change anything.

    A good bill would require opt-out, and only subject to some accountability, like a judge's decision that there are extenuating circumstances, or a (paper trail) vote by the people in the jurisdiction.

    I mean, who else but a crooked politicial or a salesperson for a crooked or broken machine could possibly have a reason to opt out, when it's all paid for by the Feds (you and me)? What kind of priorities put anything above the integrity and respectability of our most essential link to democracy, the counting of our votes?
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    1. Re:Crucially Broken by omega_dk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      View it like this: if there is a significant discrepancy between voting trends in paper-ballot w/ audit counties, and those that decided not to opt-in, those counties may have an angry electorate on their hands that would demand an explanation.

      If they can't offer a suitable explanation due to a lack of a paper trail because they decided not to accept free money from the feds... well, I am not going to say they *would* be in trouble because the American Electorate is notorious for not caring, but there would at least be some eyebrows raised.

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  4. Re:Nonsence... by mweather · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A fair election? You mean this ends automatic ballot access for Democrats and Republicans, as well as matching funds?

  5. No surprise by stonecypher · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The president whose election tallies were never counted, in the closest election we've had in more than a century, doesn't want verifiable voting. I wonder why.

    Tin foil hats won't cover this one. :(

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  6. Re:Nonsence... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not that fair...

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  7. The bill failed to pass by mepperpint · · Score: 5, Informative

    This showed up a little bit late. The bill failed to pass 239-178 with 14 not voting. While this is a 55% vote in favor, it required a 2/3 supermajority to pass due to a motion to suspend the rules.

  8. Already done by Mark_in_Brazil · · Score: 4, Funny

    It seems the cat's already out of the bag...

    Oops

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  9. Re:/, as a lobbying vehicle? by MBCook · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been here for quite a few years. I think maybe 9.

    Since when has /. not lobbied for certain things?

    Democrats, liberals, net neutrality, voter verified paper trails, and tons more. This has only increased (unsurprisingly) since the Politics section was created (which helped reduce the S/N on the other bits). Slashdot has been quite vocal in various things (like almost anything anti-Bush) for years and years.

    All that said, this is a private website. They can lobby for whatever they want. That story went through the firehose (or at least other copied did) and was quite popular. Readers seem to want to discuss it as well.

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  10. How depressing by jweller13 · · Score: 4, Informative

    How depressing that my country is experiencing 3rd world style voting problems 200 year after establishing democracy. Citizens having trust in elections is the fundamental backbone to a democracy. I'm further amazed that voters aren't outraged and up in arms over this. This should be THE most important platform issue in our current presidential elections.

    Check out this article and you'll get really get upset about some electronic voting machines in use.

    http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4066

  11. Re:Let's get one thing straight by Murrquan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe the Slashdotters are against voting machines because they actually understand the machines' limitations, and potential for misuse without traces of tampering.

  12. Re:Let's get one thing straight by et764 · · Score: 3, Informative

    One reason I'm a fan of paper ballots is that you don't need a degree in Computer Science to understand how they work. Just about any second grader could devise a paper ballot system, which means almost everyone not denied the right to vote can easily reason about whether the system works the way it's supposed to. They don't have to trust experts to be able to trust the voting system.

    Just because we're the Slashdot community doesn't mean we should be in favor at gratuitously throwing more technology at everything. Some things are better done the old-fashioned way.