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AU Government Demands Universal Wiretapping

StonyandCher writes "The Australian government is pushing a bill to force all telecommunications providers to facilitate lawful data interception across fixed and mobile telephone systems, Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), Instant Messaging (IM) and chat room discussions. Sweeping reforms will make it easier than ever for law enforcement to intercept communications if amendments to the Telecommunications (Interceptions) Act are agreed upon by a Senate standing committee. This follows from a story earlier this week where the Australian government is legislating to allow employers to snoop on employees' email and IM conversations."

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  1. Fitting for ... by Sepiraph · · Score: 5, Funny

    the land of the Criminals.

    1. Re:Fitting for ... by Eth1csGrad1ent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the land of the Criminals.

      Such a fine line between +5 Funny and -1 Flamebait.

      To me this is simply insulting. Guess it comes down to which side of the fence you sit on and safetly in numbers.
      Since the gun control debate has already surfaced as the supposed reason Australians are facing the prospect of unrestricted government wire tapping, I think I'll take my criminal ancestry, sit back on my Aussie arse...cop the insult on the chin, turn the TV on to COPS or 48 Hours and watch some pro-gun Americans shoot each other.

      Hows that Patriot Act working out for y'all BTW ?

  2. They took guns away, so who's left to stop them? by ImYY4U · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nobody...

    This is why it is so important that we in the US fight for ALL of our rights, however trivial they may seem. Because once one is taken away, the rest soon follow...

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    "Know but never fear the consequences of your actions."
  3. lets spy on everybody by FudRucker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    including the all of the governments of the world, whats good for the goose is good for the gander & vis/versa...

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    Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
  4. Welcome to the club. by StreetStealth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This sounds just like the USA CALEA program.

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  5. How long until... by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "We have always been at war with Oceania."

  6. Re:They took guns away, so who's left to stop them by name*censored* · · Score: 4, Insightful

    @ Title: Now, I hardly think anyone's going to start an armed revolution over THIS. Armed revolutions are for when democracy fails (some might argue this has already happened, but that's another can of beans) or the government does something that is universally dispised - otherwise, the best way to announce your objection is to vote on it. If anything, having guns makes the situation worse, because it gives the illusion that people have a "nuclear option" - when really, they don't (I would imagine that the government/army would win in a fight vs the people). As an Australian, I'm glad the guns have been taken away - we have few real reasons for them (you can get gun permits for hunting), and they otherwise do more harm than good.

    But good point about fighting for your rights, it's just a terrible shame so few people are passionate AND informed enough to understand the implications of potential laws and not just the PR-wrapper ("Won't Somebody Please Think Of The Children").

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  7. Re:What's the deal with Australia the last few yea by WaltBusterkeys · · Score: 4, Informative

    Have they actually had any circumstances justifying such Draconian legislation?

    The headline is incredibly misleading.

    The law, like the US CALEA, just says that law enforcement needs to be able to tap into the system upon showing a lawful warrant. It's a technical standardization measure, not a warrantless wiretap measure.

    It makes it easier to abuse the system, but nothing about this law allows warrantless wiretaps. It makes it possible for law enforcement to have a standardized set of hardware used to access lawful (with warrant) wiretaps.

  8. "Sweeping Reforms..." by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Reform"

    NewSpeak alert.

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    Never been known to fail..."
  9. Re:What's the deal with Australia the last few yea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Chances all this power will never be abused? 0%

    Chances some of this power will be abused? 100%

    Chances it's going to improve the quality of life for the average Australian? 0%

    Seems like voting NO is a no-brainer here.

  10. Re:They took guns away, so who's left to stop them by sqrt(2) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You're assuming the state would retain full control and command of the entire armed forces. If something truly devastating to the fabric of democracy happened that shook us to the very core, I'm sure the military would not be spared in being divided. So you combine that with a populous of well armed resistance fighters acting as irregular forces along with what ever military and paramilitary groups that oppose the government, and you could have a successful resistance. History is full of examples of small, vastly out gunned forces defeating a large conventional army using asymmetric warfare. Look what happened to the US in Vietnam, or the Soviets in Afghanistan or now the US in Afghanistan/Iraq. And just on a personal level, I'd rather die in a shoot out than in front of a firing squad if those are the choices.

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  11. Re:VOIP by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 4, Informative

    IP phones can and do support TLS encryption over the SRTP media protocol. Not all of them use or support this feature, but TLS/SRTP calls happen.

    I work at a VoIP-related company, and trust me, we deal heavily with TLS/SRTP calls.

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  12. Re:They took guns away, so who's left to stop them by Trentus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Didn't they really only take away semi-automatics? You know, the one's that can kill a lot of people in a very short amount of time? Admittedly, I was only about 8 at the time of the Port Arthur massacre, so my understanding of what took place following is a little hazy, but from what I remember, they put a ban on semi-automatic weapons, and it was made mandatory that you have a firearms license and register each firearm you own.

    So, we still have guns, but in order to get them, you must be at least 18 years of age, licensed, and the weapons must be registered and kept in secure storage.

  13. Re:They took guns away, so who's left to stop them by HillBilly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So how is a gun going to protect you when the goverment can bomb you from miles away or 30,000 feet?

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  14. Re:They took guns away, so who's left to stop them by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So how is a gun going to protect you when the goverment can bomb you from miles away or 30,000 feet?
    Ah, yes, all those WW2 foot-soldiers were totally redundant, we should have just fought with bombers. And why the hell are there men on the ground in Iraq? Should have just bombed them into the stone-age, right?

    Seriously, I can see that you obviously have no military experience, but that comment is pretty ignorant even for a run-of-the-mill civilian. Give your head a shake. The airforce may be able to destroy shit in a spectacular fashion, but only men with guns can actually hold ground. You can't occupy a piece of land from 30,000 feet, no matter how many bombs you have.
  15. Re:What's the deal with Australia the last few yea by Mike89 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seems like voting NO is a no-brainer here.
    Voting no? Coming from an Australian, we don't have a choice.

    And fuck off they don't do this already. An Australian guy posted on 4chan saying he was going to shoot up a mall in America (obviously bullshit). Someone, we managed to figure out who this guy was. How? Obviously 4chan is Anonymous. I seriously doubt they handed over his IP, because I seriously doubt they had it (highest turnover I've ever seen, thread would've died before the authorities did shit). Which leaves what? Data logging. Maybe not here, almost definitely there, but to me it's fucking scary that they tracked this guy down and tried to fine him a shitload ($20, 000 I recall), just because he was talking shit on some website.
  16. USA was also a former land of criminals by MichaelNeale · · Score: 5, Insightful

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_colony

    in fact, North America was a dumping ground for scum for 150 years, versus only 75 for Australia. Explains a lot really.