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NBC to Create Programs Centered on Sponsors

explosivejared writes "It sounds farcical when you first hear it, but NBC has teamed up with an ad agency to produce actual feature programs that are centered around promoting the products of the network's sponsors. The network has already begun production on one sci-fi program entitled 'Gemini Division,' which will act as a platform for products from Microsoft, Intel, and Cisco. The programming will be broadcast via the network's 'digital properties,' e.g. the NBC web site. I guess it was only a matter of time for something like this to come along after product placement became the norm."

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  1. Wrong way round by jmpeax · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Product placement is, at best, a necessary evil to fund content that is expensive to produce. Normally, product placement is worth the effort because the content is very popular - for example, the promotion of brands like Apple and Cisco in 24.

    The significant point, however, is that the show comes first. By reversing the creative process and using product promotion as a starting point, not only is the quality of content likely to suffer, but the effectiveness of the advertising along with it.

    What's worse, it seems these plans will give the brands involved an unprecedented level of influence over the content. From TFA:

    [It will be] a unique way of giving brands a seat at the table with writers and producers in developing episodic programming that ties directly to brand needs
    1. Re:Wrong way round by peragrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      that's just it unpopular shows don't get watched.

      it becomes lose lose, as they lose both ad revenue, and viewers.

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    2. Re:Wrong way round by hardburn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe not, though I don't think the truth is necessarily any more favorable to the "average Joe". People forgot that there before TV, people would read, have hobbies, take a walk, have a picnic, etc. Now people put on American Idol and say how much they hate that show. When asked why they still watch it, they respond that there's nothing else on.

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    3. Re:Wrong way round by skuzzlebutt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My first thought was "30 Rock"...that's basically a shill for NBC and SNL, but IMHO a very decent sit-com. It's not just self-depracating, but they do actually mention GEs other ventures on the show, if only in jest; but that's the point, right? NBC can make fun of GE all they want as long as you remember that they make sitcoms AND toaster ovens. And lightbulbs. And jet engines. And financial services.

      They sure have a lot of shit to sell.

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    4. Re:Wrong way round by knightperson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Am I the only one who remembers the Saturday morning cartoons from the 80's that were thinly-disguised adds for plastic toys? Transformers and Go-Bots are the ones that come to mind, but I know there were more. Has anybody been stuck in a room with a TV playing Yu-Gi-Oh? It's a show about people playing the card game, although they have some obscure explanation for why the stuff is "really" happening to the characters playing it. Pokemon is another example, but I'm less sure about it because the show might have come before the toys. Somebody must think that kids who grew up on this garbage and didn't recognize it for what it was then won't recognize it when the toys being sold are more complicated.

      Sadly, this is almost a necessary evil. The old way of paying for the production of the content with commercial breaks doesn't work so well because DVR's let people skip the commercials entirely. If we want low-cost television programming, we've got to pay for it somehow, and this is one way. The writers' guild clearly hates it, and I don't blame them, but the money has to come from somewhere. The only other option is premium programming like HBO, which not enough people pay for. I'm one of the ones who doesn't pay for it, but it wouldn't surprise me to find that product placement is rampant there too.

    5. Re:Wrong way round by mattack2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While it's not exactly what you say, network news started with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel_News_Caravan

      They would smoke during the broadcast and had a big sign with the sponsor's name during the whole thing.

    6. Re:Wrong way round by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't this largely what TV was back in the 50's? "The Colgate Comedy Hour" etc... It's just TV going full circle and back to the pitiful whores they were in the first place.

      You whiner.

      I just don't get the NEGATIVE ATTITUDE that comes from this. I mean, 24x7, you're getting shows that cost a TON OF MONEY to create for FREE. How about "gee, thanks!"??? You could go and support local community theater, but we all know that's something you go to because you think community theater is a "good idea", or because you know somebody in it, not because you'd actually want to go see it every night after dinner.

      Don't like the show? Go do something else! Learn to play the guitar! Take your bored dog for a walk! Go have sex with your partner! Or, go find a partner to have sex with! Read a book! Study differential calculus! Learn to cook Mahi-Mahi Flambe.

      But, you don't want to do that, and you don't like advertising? Well, you could PAY FOR THE SHOW. You know, buy season DVDs and only watch those. Don't bother with the advertising supported television! No commercials! Somewhere along the line, somebody's got to pay the bill.

      The truth is, this is a natural response to the rise of the DVR. I've been wondering how long it would be before this would happen - I haven't watched a standard TV commercial in a long, long time. Any shows that count me as an advertising "eyeball" are lying to their advertisers. And while I appreciate the free ride in the short term, the long term is that this situation is simply unsustainable, as the cost of DVRs drop and adoption continues to climb.

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    7. Re:Wrong way round by flyingsquid · · Score: 2, Insightful
      My first thought was "30 Rock"...that's basically a shill for NBC and SNL, but IMHO a very decent sit-com.

      I don't think they're trying to sell Saturday Night Live; it's a case of "write what you know". Tina Fey spent a lot of time working at SNL as a writer and performer, so creating a sitcom about a fictional comedy show at a major network made sense for her. The irony is that 30 Rock is currently much better than SNL, the show it is based around. I guess that at some point she must have looked at the sorry state of SNL, and the drama and crazy shit going on behind the scenes, and realized that the real humor was behind the stage, not in front of it. SNL occasionally has moments of genius but its best days are behind it. It's like a dog which has lived a good, long life, but to let it go on any further is just cruelty, and it should be put down.

  2. 50's here we come... by vanyel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Like they say, nothing new under the sun...

  3. Wow.. by rastoboy29 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Another great reason to continue avoiding network tv.

  4. Who didn't see this coming? by flanksteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess it was only a matter of time for something like this to come along after product placement became the norm.

    And after the DVR makes commercial-skipping so much easier. The business model must evolve. Unknown if it will survive. And while I know everyone will say that this will turn most viewers off, the truth is if it's entertaining people will watch.

    I love this quote:

    The collaboration ... offers a unique way of giving brands a seat at the table with writers and producers in developing episodic programming that ties directly to brand needs.

    BSOD jokes aside, I'm trying to figure out how you can communicate helpful technical product information in a science fiction drama show. Is it going to be like the time Jeff Goldblum used Mac OS 9 to take down the alien computer systems? Or is Rosario Dawson going to chase aliens and time travel with a Zune and an MSDN subscription? It's one thing to have a Coke can sitting in plain view, it's another to show how the protagonists succeed using shrinkwrapped software.

  5. piracy by timmarhy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So when i pirate this quality content, are they going to try sue me? after all marketing is the entire point of this.

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  6. Easy response by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Click!

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  7. Re:lawl by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, I've found a show where there's absolute no advertising whatsoever, not even hidden. It's obviously very old, from the time when there was no sound, and no colors. Indeed, it's so old that even white was not yet discovered; the screen is just black. That show seems to be sent 24 hours a day without a single advertising break, and no product placement either. It's not easy to find, because they didn't put it on those numbered buttons you usually use to select your channel, but they put it on a separate button, which they labelled "OFF" (I guess that's the broadcaster's name). I can only suggest that channel.

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  8. Is this really so awful? by silvermorph · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This... doesn't seem that bad to me.

    If the experiment fails and the shows suck, then you have more evidence for the notion that sponsor control corrupts the medium. If it succeeds, it will do so by being genuinely entertaining - and we've essentially created a new medium for creative expression. I think that'd be a good way for big corps to spend more cash subsidizing the arts, even if only indirectly by giving more artists a day job that will give them the funds and experience to support and improve their real work.

    So where's the downside? A generation of people who are emotionally invested in brands? We've already got that with the Apple crowd or the Coke vs. Pepsi debate. If this is dislike of legitimizing a long-form commercial, well, people claim to watch the Superbowl "just for the commercials". If it's entertaining, it's serving the same purpose as regular TV and popular commercials.

    And it's not like you're being forced to watch these shows. The worst that can happen is that the sponsored shows don't really catch on, so they try it again by adding it to and ruining already popular shows. But then you people get angry and things go back to normal. Or, better, if it turns people off to TV, maybe they'll find something productive to do.

  9. Re:Fibber Mcgee and Molly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the elitist side of me says that its simply because the dumbing down of america through woodrow wilsons dream education system has made it such that you dont have to pretend not to treat the customer as idiots, because the largest consumer base now...is stupid.

    I think many marketers feel that if they made things more subtle or even indirect in its approach, that they'd lose total sales and so its better to market as though everyone is completely unable to think.

    Mileage may vary in markets outside the US and Ontario, Canada.

    Course, since thats an arrogant standpoint it cant possibly be considered as possible. No one wants to be called stupid.

  10. Re:Fibber Mcgee and Molly by CSMatt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They can get away with that because Sirius is primarily funded by subscriptions, not advertising.

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