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Pirate Bay Launches Free Speech Blog

Chris Blanc writes "In their ever continuing battle to 'free the Internet', The Pirate Bay has now launched an uncensored blogging service, called Baywords. The service is intended to be a safe haven for bloggers who want to be able to write whatever they want."

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  1. first post by timmarhy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm going to post on there how pirating is actually stealing.

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    1. Re:first post by travbrad · · Score: 3, Funny

      Finally somewhere that you can say whatever you want on the internet! *looks at countless troll posts on slashdot*

    2. Re:first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but hopefully they won't rate your karma, and knock you down if you either talk good about Microsoft or bad about Apple, or if you just complain about something not working on your linux machine.

      Since I just said these things... I'll post as an AC (my karma is still trying to recover).

    3. Re:first post by multisync · · Score: 3, Informative

      Piracy is Theft


      DRM is Theft
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    4. Re:first post by teh+moges · · Score: 2, Funny

      Absolutely not! We wouldn't want to make kidnapping and murder seem more serious then they really are!

  2. "Whatever" with limitations by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Informative

    You'd still at least have to comply to Swedish laws, an example of a notable one to Americans being that on the topic of hate speech.

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    1. Re:"Whatever" with limitations by Eudial · · Score: 3, Informative

      You'd still at least have to comply to Swedish laws, an example of a notable one to Americans being that on the topic of hate speech. That's only true if they actually host it in Sweden. TPB isn't hosted in Sweden.
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  3. Free Speech, My A## by desmondhaynes · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well I can post anything I want, on my own hosted website. And Piratebay is a thief's den. Want to see me write this on my blog? What are these guys thinking? Free speech my a##

  4. biased enforcement by nguy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The trouble with those laws is that they are enforced with a strong bias.

    For example, is it apparently perfectly OK for religions to tell non-followers that they are evil and are deserve to be tortured for all eternity for the way they live their lives.

    But if you try to tell a follower of a major religion that they are evil and deserve to be tortured for the way they lead their lives, those "hate speech" laws are going to come down like a hammer on you.

    If Sweden was really serious about "hate speech", they'd have to outlaw Islam and Catholicism as they are currently being practiced, because those religions are intrinsically in conflict with hate speech laws.

    1. Re:biased enforcement by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But if you try to tell a follower of a major religion that they are evil and deserve to be tortured for the way they lead their lives, those "hate speech" laws are going to come down like a hammer on you.

      Can you point to some actual examples of atheists being prosecuted for suggesting that Christians or Muslims be tortured? I suspect that your post is just irrelevant speculation.

    2. Re:biased enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A pentecostal preacher was sentenced recently in Sweden, for saying stuff about gays in a sermon. (Which caused Fred Phelps to declare that god hates Sweden.)

      I seem to recall that action has also been taken against an islamic radio station for stuff they said about jews, though I don't recall any details.

      Either way, those laws are designed explicitly to protect minorities, people who are ill equipped to fight back in a propaganda war if you will.

      So, I see no problem with it.

    3. Re:biased enforcement by EdIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some may say you deserve a +Troll modifier. However, I can find no fault with your statements, even though I am sure plenty of followers of both religions would claim otherwise.

      You also correctly note, "as they are currently being practiced", since it is Islamic followers that will threaten to kill you (and many actually follow through with that threat) if you tarnish their "religion of peace". It is also Catholic Priests that use their positions of power in their communities to not only directly abuse certain people, but to foster an environment of hate for certain non-believers and non-conformists. I realize that some may vehemently take exception to such statements, but when these religions state their positions as absolutes with the language they use, it cannot be seen as anything other then hurtful and filled with hate for those it aimed towards.

      It is also predominantly the men of these religions that use their perverted interpretation of their faith's to abuse their fellow brothers and sisters. Just because they have been making these statements for centuries, while making up a sizable portion of their respective populations, makes it no less hateful of certain groups of people.

      So if you are saying that "Hate Speech" is really just unpopular speech, then I wholeheartedly agree. For those that are against censorship, it must be treated as an absolute. Once you stop doing so, it cannot be anything but biased.

    4. Re:biased enforcement by EdIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe the poster can find no examples of an atheist being prosecuted for suggesting that Christians or Muslims be tortured, but there is a rather famous example of suggesting that Islam is not a religion of peace and being pressured into silence.

      I don't think his post is irrelevant speculation at all, but insightful commentary into what Hate Speech really is. In any case, it certainly not irrelevant to the topic, and only speculation since you obviously disagree with his statement.

    5. Re:biased enforcement by mrbluze · · Score: 2, Informative

      If Sweden was really serious about "hate speech", they'd have to outlaw Islam and Catholicism as they are currently being practiced, because those religions are intrinsically in conflict with hate speech laws.

      Yeah, how dare those nasty Catholics pray for other religions! They must hate people if they pray for them.

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    6. Re:biased enforcement by LingNoi · · Score: 2

      "for all eternity" doesn't necessary mean "afterlife"

    7. Re:biased enforcement by EdIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, how dare those nasty Catholics pray for other religions! They must hate people if they pray for them.


      LOL. Are you serious? To pray for someone's soul, and to hate them at the same time is not impossible. Praying does not negate the fact that they actively promulgate the views of their religion, which is that certain people are evil and will be tortured in hell for all eternity.

      So yeah, I fully agree that Catholics may preach that all the "faggots" are going to Hell, they are evil, they live in Sin, but rid their commentaries of any connotations of hate by SIMPLY praying for their souls afterwards. Riiiggght.

      I hope you can understand that when certain religions preach that you are a bad person, that you will be forever in pain and suffering, that it is hurtful and very easily felt as hate by such people. The fact that those same people openly "state" they are praying for you, often provides no sense of relief, but more often a sense of condescension, indifference, and intolerance.
    8. Re:biased enforcement by BakaHoushi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have to agree. I'm almost always for protecting any speech, no matter how much I hate what is being said. However, language should be viewed like anything else.

      It's not illegal to have and to use a pencil. But a pencil can be used as a weapon, which would be illegal. It's not illegal to have and to use a car, but a car may be used as a weapon. These things only become dangerous when used directly as weapons. If a word can be used to directly hurt someone, it is a weapon.

      In this way, when language is used only for the purpose of hurting others, and I mean this in the literal sense of causing physical injury, it should not be considered protected speech. ...Of course, I'm secretly waiting for the day someone develops and uses sonic-based weaponry and tries to defend his actions as "free speech."

    9. Re:biased enforcement by nguy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Can you point to some actual examples of atheists being prosecuted for suggesting that Christians or Muslims be tortured?

      No, I can't, because atheists generally don't suggest that other get tortured for all eternity. They don't because (1) they don't believe that anybody lives for all eternity, (2) most atheists are either religious or humanists and hence object to torture in any form, whether by divine beings or men, and (3) they know that if they speak out publicly, they risk death threats and arrest.

      I suspect that your post is just irrelevant speculation.

      Well, then you're living under a rock. Geert Wilders film, for example, has been condemned, literally, as "hate speech" by the UN secretary general (here), and all he did was compile a collection of quotes from the Quran and Muslim leaders.

      Here are other examples:

      http://www.lutononsunday.com/lutononsunday-news/displayarticle.asp?id=306589

      http://www.axcessnews.com/user.php/articles/show/id/12315

      http://sweetness-light.com/archive/ap-far-righters-arrested-for-anti-islam-protest

      You can find many more if you look around, with free speech by students, bloggers, protesters, and others being suppressed for criticizing religions or saying things that "offend" people of one or the other religion.

    10. Re:biased enforcement by nguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A pentecostal preacher was sentenced recently in Sweden, for saying stuff about gays in a sermon.

      That's nice, but it's really just the tip of the iceberg. Look at what Catholicism says: if you're gay, you'll burn in hell. That's doctrine. What could be more hateful than that? Yet, they have been getting away with this for centuries.

      Either way, those laws are designed explicitly to protect minorities, people who are ill equipped to fight back in a propaganda war if you will.

      I think these kinds of laws are wrong and hurt, rather than help, in the long run. Right now, people like the Pope and Muslim leaders go around claiming to be authorities on ethics and morality, excusing the child abuse and terrorism by their members as aberrations. But we need to have a clear public debate challenging these people's claims to moral authority.

    11. Re:biased enforcement by Fuzi719 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I watched the "Fitna" film a few nights ago and was impressed by the level of documentation. How anyone can point to this film and claim it is anything but honest only goes to their own bias, not Wilders'. "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot (1713-1784)

    12. Re:biased enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Look at what Catholicism says: if you're gay, you'll burn in hell. That's doctrine. What could be more hateful than that? Yet, they have been getting away with this for centuries.
      Actually the Church says that sex outside of marriage, necessarily including gay sex, is a sin. The Church does not say that just being gay sends you to hell (it calls for compassion for those "afflicted" with a homosexual orientation). The Church also does not say that sinning will send you to Hell - like all sinners, that is to say, everyone, you have a chance to reconcile with God through Confession and Penance. It's still an intolerant line but not as hateful as you put it.

      Also, the Church has not been condemning "gays" for centuries since the idea of being "gay" is a modern political construct, although homosexual activity has been condemned since the beginning of the Church.

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    13. Re:biased enforcement by clichescreenname · · Score: 5, Insightful

      '... communists who suggest that capitalism is exploiting the workers are "pressured into silence"...'

      Uh, bullshit.

      Go to any university. Provide something more substantial than a bland assertion. I live in Springfield Missouri, which is right in the middle of the bible belt. About a week and a half ago, our local sheriff (Jack Merritt) made the following statement in reference to somebody on American Idol signing the national anthem:

      "The way I hear Jason sing the national anthem makes you want to go out and kill a communist."

      And he said this to a local newspaper reporter. Now, terrible grammar aside, this is a horrible comment for a law enforcer to make, and it could certainly strike fear into local communists.
    14. Re:biased enforcement by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny

      I live in Springfield Missouri, which is right in the middle of the bible belt. About a week and a half ago, our local sheriff (Jack Merritt) made the following statement in reference to somebody on American Idol signing the national anthem:

      "The way I hear Jason sing the national anthem makes you want to go out and kill a communist."

      And he said this to a local newspaper reporter. Now, terrible grammar aside, this is a horrible comment for a law enforcer to make, and it could certainly strike fear into local communists.

      So, Jason's a commie who sung the anthem really bad, right?

    15. Re:biased enforcement by nguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The reading comprehension problem is entirely yours, since you somehow brought in atheism and posed an entirely irrelevant challenge.

      The fact is that people get into legal trouble for criticizing Islam frequently. If you don't see that, you're really out of touch with reality.

    16. Re:biased enforcement by nguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually the Church says [...]

      Yeah, that's just the usual word-mincing bullshit. It's not worth deconstructing this in detail, otherwise I would have done so in my original post. And I'm certainly not letting the Catholics dictate the terminology of this debate.

      Also, the Church has not been condemning "gays" for centuries since the idea of being "gay" is a modern political construct, although homosexual activity has been condemned since the beginning of the Church.

      No, it's not. It's just that after the rule of law kept the church and others from killing homosexuals, more people actually "came out". But the identity and lifestyle is ancient and exists in many cultures.

      you have a chance to reconcile with God through Confession and Penance. It's still an intolerant line but not as hateful as you put it.

      Of course, that has always been the Catholic line. It comes down to a recruiting pitch for the church, because what they're basically saying that once you start submitting to their authority, you can sin all you want and they will still ensure a good afterlife for you.

      So, it's "not as hateful" in the same sense that a mafia boss to whom you pay protection money is "not as violent" as one you don't pay that money to.

  5. Kinda like by ncryptd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Kinda like NearlyFreeSpeech.net -- except without true free speech. TPB's got to comply with Swedish (and EU) law -- so anything that can be construed as hate speech is illegal. Compare and contrast that to NearlyFreeSpeech.net, which has this "beliefs" page. They've been around since 2002, and as long as I've been using them, stayed completely true to those beliefs.

    Disclaimer: I'm in no way associated with NearlyFreeSpeech.net -- I'm simply a happy customer of theirs who enjoys the free speech protections and FreeBSD cluster hosting they offer. They don't have any form of affiliate program, so I couldn't be monetarily compensated for this post even if I wanted to be.

  6. Re:Honesty by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Add the fact that these torrent websites abet others in illegally copying software and you've got a very unsavory party on your hands.

    The fact you focus on software raises suspicion that you are just astroturfing for some interested party. Software is great and The Pirate Bay really helps, but I would imagine the majority of people use torrents to get music, films and television shows for free.

  7. Fixed that for you by eebra82 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Pirate Bay launches free speech blog - Chinese firewall updated
  8. Re:Free speech is a myth ... by toriver · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Free speech governs restrictions on the Government's part; after you successfully use your free speech rights you get to face the consequences, whether you get sued for hate speech, libel or what have you. But you were not hindered from "speaking", which is the important part.

    Just like most freedoms, freedom of speech has a duty of responsibility attached to it - as such, anonymous vents like /. really only cover the half where you speak not the other half where you stand for what you said...

  9. Re:Honesty by EdIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your bring up an excellent point. There is no question at all that certain groups of people will use anonymity like a shield to attack other groups of people. This anonymity, when very strongly protected and unable to be removed by the actions of any judicial branch of government, does certainly deprive those groups of people of any ability to defend themselves.

    However, I would propose another question to you. If you had to choose, as an absolute, between anonymity and complete transparency (all Internet posts being digitally signed), which one would you choose? Why?

    I only say that since it is an absolute. With the Internet being as ubiquitous as it has become, anonymity provided to one is anonymity provided to all. Freenet is the best example. I fully expect Freenet to explode in the next 5-10 years and become as ubiquitous as email. The only way to truly stop Freenet, is to outlaw it completely. Possession of Freenet, must be declared a crime in of itself to be effective in dismantling its networks. That would only be effective in doing it within that country only too. Of course, that does not even account for civil disobediance, but when being in possession of technology that facilitates anonymous and private communications risks prison time, it would certainly provide the respective governments a very powerful tool to discourage it.

    So keep that in mind when you consider the value of anonymity in a society and it's proper use. It may not be possible, and I certainly don't think so, to provide it to people a "drop" at a time. It's all or nothing.

  10. (really) free speech by Iamthecheese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I, for one, support completely free speech and this is why:

    While speech such as harmful memes (religious extremism, racism, etc) is inherently harmful, people who are exposed to a sufficient number of such memes and use basic logic will develope an immunity. Meanwhile it is all too easy, once a precident of declaring some speech "bad" has been set, to change one's definition of Bad speech to whatever makes one uncomfortable. In the long term, uncensored speech is the only thing that can save humanity.

    My point of view is that hating $group should be completely legal, as should encouraging hatred. Free speech and reason will, in time, drown out the less reasonable voices.
    Even encouraging violence should be permitted. When someone listens to the speech and commits a violent act will you indemnify them because they are not responsible, having been given a harmful meme? of course not! And since responsibility lies on the shoulders of the actor, the person who encouraged such behavior is not responsible.

    I believe in people. If everyone gets to hear all sought opinions, everyone will be better off because most people are more good than evil.

    As for my sig, it means distribution of child porn, not any act required for its creation.

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    1. Re:(really) free speech by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As for my sig, it means distribution of child porn, not any act required for its creation.
      Child porn distribution is not just about discouraging creation, it's also about protecting the identity and dignity all the children who participated. It's not a thought crime, even if some would like it to be.

      As for terrorism, well, your statement is just silly. The governments only acting afraid because terrorism has proved terrifying for so many people over the past few years. See my sig:
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  11. Re:Honesty by damburger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hate speech is a symptom of free speech, and therefore in a perverse way we should welcome it.

    Free speech and anonymous speech are basically the same thing. Free speech is the right to say what you like without consequences, and anonymous speech is the way you avoid consequences.

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  12. How close are we? by penguinbrat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "In normal times, evil would be fought by good. But in times like these, well, it should be fought by another kind of evil." The Chronicles of Riddick

    Anymore, pirates are a hell of a lot more trustworthy than ANY given government or corporation. If I had something serious to leak, or had some crazy theories on even a half way controversial topic - I would trust those flagrant, authority mooning thugs to resist big brother more so than anyone else. The reason? Everyone has there breaking point, regardless of how bad ass you are - you still have one. It's just a matter of who has the higher breaking point as to who I would trust - not to necessarily do something for me, but more to NOT DO SOMETHING.

  13. Bah... by emj · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apparently we have convicted one guy for spreading hate against Homosexuals. Though he ws acquitted in the supreme court on very shaky grounds.

    I know only of Nazis being convicted of hate speech[1] in Sweden. But even though they have been convicted they get away with a lot. I would say that the swedish police is more worried about the miltant groups that oppose nazis than the nazis themself.

    [1] That article is hate proganda. Not sure why I give it google credit..

  14. Only as good as its search engine by Simonetta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A global blog forum open to any subject is an appealing idea, but it is only as good as its search engine. Say you want to enlighten the world about your boss or company. There are a hundred million other people who are interested in doing the same thing. So how do you tell the world about your idiot boss John Smith and differenciate him from all the other idiot John Smiths (my apologies to all readers named John Smith, but you must run into this situation all the time).

        And how do you change the blog when the situation has changed? And what do you do about the douchebag (an American term meaning a person whose obsession with a particular topic has made them insufferable, not a French term for a camping solar-shower) who attempts to post 10000000 full copies of the Qu'ran or the ancient scrolls of BaBeezoo-Bub and take up a teraByte of Pirate Bay blog space?

        And who oversees this new global medium: who becomes the Pirate Bay's Rupert Murdoch? And how do we get rid of the Pirate Bay's new gossip site's overlord when he or she becomes hopelessly corrupt? When it becomes obvious that their personal tastes are affecting their editing decisions?

        And why don't Slashdot posters address the real issues that arise from each topic? The ratio of horseshit to insightful commentary is extremely high for such a smart group of readers.

  15. Re:Nevertheless by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Instead of attacking those who make libelous statements, or speak of breaking the law, it's better to go after those who act on them. Words are not deeds. Jeeze, I wish I didn't have to repeat this all the time.

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