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Laser Pointers Classed as Weapons in Australia

An anonymous reader was the first to point to an article in the Sydney Morning Herald which says that New South Wales (of which Sydney is the capital) will prohibit the possession of certain types of laser pointers, defining them as weapons, and make it an offense to carry any laser pointer "without a lawful reason." (Similar coverage at news.com.au) Western Australia apparently beat NSW to the punch, and the federal government of Australia announced earlier this month it will treat laser pointers much like firearms, which, in Australia, is really saying something. The restrictions come as a reaction to incidents (not confined to Australia) in which the lasers were trained on planes, distracting pilots.

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  1. Re:It's only class 3 and 4 lasers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1. Getting a permit is as simple as providing a practical application that you require one for.
    2. All this talk about lasers being capable of bringing down planes, while serious, is at this stage theoretical. While that gives plenty of people the excuse to keep saying "see, it's harmless" right up until a plane crash is caused by it (at which stage they'll switch to "it's virtually always harmless, just like using forks!"), if you're the poor joe who manages to achieve this feat, expect a 14-year jail sentence (a backup for if the mass-manslaughter charge doesn't stick). If you get caught carrying one without a good reason (seriously, who's going to buy a $900 laser without a good reason.. although I guess some idiots do) you can expect a fine or 3 months in jail. More if you actually use it on an aircraft.

  2. I've been injured by one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FWIW, I'm one of those who've been injured with a laser pointer. It took a momentary glance up the street after leaving a Newtown bar with friends for me to be left with a blind wiggle across my right eye, from the lower right to the upper left, running right through my fovea. I'm unable to read unless I use my left eye, because with my right there just aren't any words there. I can see the big picture, but no details. That was July 2006, and two years of partial blindness makes a hell of a difference to life. Forget watching fast paced movies and having a clue what's going on, get ready to read 1/3 the speed you used to, and forget being able to look at code and tell the difference between { and ( without using a 20 point font.

    And perl... it's all but incomprehensible.. oh wait, I learned that after being blinded. I kid I kid.

    The thing about the tools who use laser pointers like this is they can be so far away nobody has any idea who they are, where they are, the beam is silent, and about all you can tell is it's over-that-way-somewhere. The bouncers around that night said they'd seen a laser pointer dot bouncing over guests through the evening, but thought nothing of it.

    Whether or not they should be banned is one question, but comparing them to screwdrivers, knives, or axes is being a git who doesn't turn their brain on. At least if some bastard had come at me with a knife they'd have been caught, and at the very least been beaten into a pulp by either my friends, or the bouncers.

    The laser pointer tools though - anonymous, quiet, pretty much undetectable, and their weapon leaves absolutely no evidence behind of what it was apart from really fucking bright.

  3. Re:Lawful reason by Eth1csGrad1ent · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I really hate idiots who play with laser pointers.

    I'm with you. I'm an Aussie and I'm fine with the law.

    Recent personal experience: I was the first to pull up to a stop light on a 4-lane road, with my wife beside me and my two year old daughter in the back seat. As I put my foot on the brake approaching the intersection I suddenly suffered a complete loss of vision (As IN - WHAT THE F..K??? I CANT SEE. MY EYES? WTF IS WRONG WITH MY EYES!?!?). In the confusion I somehow managed to come to my senses enough to lock the brakes before going through the intersection.

    As my eyesight returned and I sat there trying to work out what just happened, I turned to see a 15-16 year old sitting in a car beside me with his mates, laughing their arses off.

    I nearly wiped out my whole family - and they thought it was the funniest thing in the world.

    The problem was - at the time I had NO IDEA what was happening to me - I didnt know it was a laser pointer until afterwards. At a critical moment I blinked and my eyes didnt work - it FREAKED me out, and this wasnt even one of the lasers that they're banning.

    BTW - Yes I got out of the car..and YES, I still have the laser pointer the kid used.

  4. Re:It's only class 3 and 4 lasers by Digestromath · · Score: 5, Interesting
    No, I'm actually a Canadian. I also realise that a requiring a license for something doesn't stop it from being used illegally

    What is this all for may I ask? A knee jerk reaction to a vague, potential threat? Because of a "potential to cause mass murder"? How many serial laser pointer killers have there been? In Australia? In the world?

    5000$ fines for possesion of non prohibited laser by a unlicensed individual. A possible 14 years in prison for a prohibited laser.

    You potentially could spend more time in jail and pay a heavier fine for a laser pointer than heroin, an unlicensed firearm or a hand grenade? That doesn't strike you as... illogical?

    That would be a great news story in itself. Man's home searched, found in possession of home made high power laser pointer, gets 14 years in jail. In other news, man convicted of involuntary manslaughter to get 10, parole in 7 and half.

  5. Re:While we're at it.. by electrictroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But is it necessary to BAN the pointers? Punish 99.99% of the population, because of the misbehavior of a few? That seems out-of-bounds.

    The more logical course would be to locate the criminal with a pointer in his hand, and then shoot him dead. Punish that ONE person, not everybody.

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  6. Needs a technological solution by maillemaker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sounds to me like we need a technological solution.

    If laser pointers are this dangerous simply banning them is not going to be much of a deterrent against someone who wants to use one to /really/ crash an airplane.

    I wonder if some kind of coating can be applied to the windows of airliners that can reduce the intensity of laser beams without compromising pilot visibility?

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  7. Re:Lawful reason by Technician · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How the explitive deleted am I suppose to explicitive deleted land when I have some asshole trying blind me?

    Most issues is with green pointers. Have you considered picking up a pair of laser safety goggles for green lasers? Many narrow band goggles will almost completely block the wavelength so you don't even see it. Demo here;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gagEdCVgRhY

    They work well.

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  8. Re:Lawful reason by Muad'Dave · · Score: 3, Interesting
    As an Amateur Radio operator, I use (admittedly low power) laser pointers as point-to-point communications links. I am mindful of the exposure limits, and pre-spread the beam if necessary to comply. By using higher power, I could increase not only the distance over which the link were useful, but also the data rate for existing links.


    Is that legitimate and lawful enough for you?

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  9. Re:Lawful reason by Fizzog · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Tell me one legitimate and lawful purpose that an ordinary person needs these types of high powered lasers?"

    Green lasers (which are the ones at issue here) are used by astronomers and astronomy teachers/students to point out constellations and stars at night. The green beam is visible in air while red beams are not.

    Are you telling us that astronomy should be illegal?