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How Duct Tape Saved Apollo 17's Moon Buggy

Ant points out a story spotted on Boing Boing in which NASA "shares a story that turns back the clock 36 years to reveal the "key roll of duct tape in the Apollo program." The quality of the photographs from the moon always grabs me, and the duct-taped fender here is no exception.

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  1. Duct Tape by maz2331 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It just proves the old adage that "If you can't fix it with duct tape, then it's broken."

    1. Re:Duct Tape by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually that's not entirely true. A few years ago we were working in the field in the Arctic. I stumbled down a hill and broke my arm. The satellite phone wasn't working at the time, so our solution was to make an elaborate splint made entirely out of duct tape. It took 3 days to hike back to civilization but my arm didn't even need to be reset by the doctor.

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    2. Re:Duct Tape by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can we fix the broken CSS on the idle section with some duct tape?

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    3. Re:Duct Tape by Schwartzboy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, I thought that it went "If you can't duck it..." and then ends with a two-word suggestion that I'm very very glad they didn't have to do to the moon buggy. I would think that it'd be physically impossible to do and not at all fun unless the buggy was, in fact, really cute.

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    4. Re:Duct Tape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "If you can't fix it with duct tape, then it's broken." You forget about WD40.

      If it moves and is not supposed to, use Duct Tape.
      If it doesn't move and is supposed to, use WD40.

      If both of those fail, then I guess you can savely assume it's broken.
    5. Re:Duct Tape by sayfawa · · Score: 2, Funny

      The technical expression I prefer is "If it's not duct, it's fucked"

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    6. Re:Duct Tape by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Works on earth buggies, too. I can't count the number of times a coolant hose or a heater hose (coolant goes through the heater hose?) has gotten a hole and been patched with duct tape "to get to the auto parts store", and was still on the unreplaced hose when I sold or traded the car.

      It may be urban legend, but I heard the military calls it "hundred mile per hour tape" because once in some godforsaken jungle somewhere a helicopter broke a rotor (gunshot or something) and the mechanic duct taped it together, telling the pilot to "keep it under a hundred miles an hour".

      They used to seal ducts with the stuff.

      Has anyone ever taped ducks together with it?

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    7. Re:Duct Tape by smellsofbikes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have taped a duck with duct tape. It was a pet duck that had been attacked by a dog and had a huge oozing wound on its back. We were trying to get bandages on it so it wouldn't get (as much) dirt and debris in the wound while it was healing, and gauze and medical tape wasn't enough. We used a combination of duct tape and vet wrap and basically made a sort of suit for the duck that wrapped around its chest and under its wings, to hold the bandages in place. It worked.

      Your coolant system patches must've used different duct tape than mine: the hot water melted the adhesive and it was leaking like a sieve in a dozen km. I managed to get home, barely.

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    8. Re:Duct Tape by AragornSonOfArathorn · · Score: 5, Funny

      Duck Tape is only for taping ducks back together, or to each other. Why tape ducks together, you ask? Why not?

      Any other use is unsupported by the manufacturer.

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    9. Re:Duct Tape by marklark · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My experience with _gray_ duct-tape in the Antarctic is that it's absolutely pathetic in the cold.

      For this story to be true, the splint must have been applied indoors and kept under clothing.

    10. Re:Duct Tape by EvilRyry · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Right, I find it quite ironic that duct tape is against building code to use on ducts in most places.

    11. Re:Duct Tape by conlaw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, Duck Tape supports a variety of uses for its product. In fact, they're now running an annual contest for the best prom outfits made from Duck Tape. Some of the entries from previous years can be found at: http://www.ducktapeclub.com/contests/prom/archive.asp

    12. Re:Duct Tape by Zencyde · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ew. I don't think ANYONE claimed to be fucking McGyver. Why such accusations?

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    13. Re:Duct Tape by brunokummel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Schrodinger, is that you?

      Yes and No!

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    14. Re:Duct Tape by AgentSmith · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sorry Hoss. You forgot the sun still shines on the moon.
      Without an atmosphere I would imagine it gets pretty toasty as well.

      Should be enough to warm adhesive.

  2. ObRedGreen Ref by amccaf1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember, if the aliens don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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  3. The voids... by dauthur · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can't hear duct tape rip in the vacuum of space. That is a sad fact.

  4. Key Roll? by tit0.c · · Score: 3, Funny

    Key Roll of Duct Tape or Key Role?
    I guess both are valid...

    1. Re:Key Roll? by Major+Blud · · Score: 3, Funny

      Depending on who you ask, I think it's "GNU/Tape".

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  5. Re:Duct tape great for everything BUT ducts. by jafiwam · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sealing ammo cans with cloth tape. Though the origin of the name is a controversy, the term is originally "Duck Tape" because water is repelled by the outside surface, thus making it good for ammo cans. You can get the can wet, pull it out of the wet, and since the water rolled off, open the can right away without getting much water in the can. Or, so the story goes.

  6. photos by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Informative

    The quality of the photographs from the moon always grabs me, and the duct-taped fender here is no exception.

    Medium-format sized negatives. Shitloads of light (large depth of field and high shutter speeds.) No atmosphere to bend light between subject and camera.

    Also, you've got really hard shadows because the light isn't diffused at all by an atmosphere.

    1. Re:photos by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Right. They're able to use very slow film - which helps with fogging from other sources. I believe they also stored the equipment and film in foil-lined cases for this very reason.

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    2. Re:photos by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's especially impressive considering the pictures were taken on Earth. *ducks*

  7. KEY roll of duct tape? by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would say that the roll of tape used on the Apollo 13 was much more important.

    It is interesting to think about dust in a vacuum, where if it is kicked up with a large forward velocity, it will fall back down on you or even ahead of you, whereas on Earth it would get pushed behind you by friction...

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  8. US Government Olive Drab Duct Tape by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 3, Funny
    My father was a civil service engineer at Mare Island Naval Shipyard, where he worked on the electrical systems of submarines.

    One day he found a roll of duct tape lying around somewhere on a sub that was in for repair. It didn't appear as if anyone was using it.

    However, one was not permitted to just remove stuff left lying around - someone might still be needing it.

    So dad went through the proper channels, which involved filing a form in which he requested the removal of the duct tape. This had to be signed by his manager. I don't remember clearly, but maybe it had to be signed by his manager's manager.

    Once the paperwork was all squared away, someone was sent in to the sub to remove the roll of duct tape - only to find that it wasn't there anymore!

    Your tax dollars at work!

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  9. Cameras by maz2331 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Didn't NASA have a preference back then for Hasselblad medium-format cameras with really good Zeiss lenses?

    Pro-level gear with big film can give some really incredibly detailed photos.

    1. Re:Cameras by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Informative
      Didn't NASA have a preference back then for Hasselblad medium-format cameras with really good Zeiss lenses?


      Yup. Swedish engineered camera with German lenses. Pretty much the best of both worlds. For your information.

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  10. like the force by moderatorrater · · Score: 3, Funny

    light side, dark side, holds the universe together, blah blah blah. Unfortunately, George Lucas ruined this joke, since duct tape isn't made my symbiotic microorganisms living inside everything.

    1. Re:like the force by somersault · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm sorry to crush your dreams, but the force is purely a nepotistic force. Unless your dad was a Dark Lord of the Sith, the force will not be strong with you. The only thing you will be able to foresee is a life serving fries at McDonalds to the one handed children of Sith Masters.

      Actually, the midichlorians thing really got me too :( I like your explanation. Darn parasitic midichlorians..

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    2. Re:like the force by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      light side, dark side, holds the universe together, blah blah blah. Unfortunately, George Lucas ruined this joke, since duct tape isn't made my symbiotic microorganisms living inside everything.

      Well at least now we know why he came up with them.

      He probably considered the duct tape joke to be infringing on his Star Wars IP rights, and since the courts wouldn't take him seriously, he took other steps.

      Well played, Lucas. Well played.

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  11. Played a bigger role in Apollo 13 by kraemate · · Score: 2, Informative

    Duct tape saved the day during Apollo 13 too, when they were having CO2 problems. Those guys jury-rigged the Lithium Hydroxide canister of the command-module (which were square), into the LEM(which had round canisters).
    Saved the day. Without it, the astronauts would have died of CO2 poisoning. Apparently, the design was so good, it became a standard emergency procedure in future missions.

  12. Filthy astronauts. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

    They also used duct tape to fix the stereo, so they could keep driving their moon buggies through our neighborhoods at all hours of the night playing that theme from "2001" real loud.

  13. Back when we really had a Pioneer program by arakon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think we should go back a bit to that kind of space exploration. Boot-strap, Cowboy style. There are so many regs and safety issues with today's space program that with all the bureaucracy it's a wonder we get anything off the ground at all. Lets just start with some quantity, launch anything with a higher than 50% survival rate.

    How many people do you know that would jump on an opportunity for a manned mission to mars? Just to be the first to do it. Even if you don't make it, you'd still provide useful information and go down in history as a great pioneer. Hell there is a certain religion or two down here that have people clamoring all over their selves to die for some glorious amorphous cause. Put them to work. Launch those space monkeys up there so they can be closer to their [Deity].

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    1. Re:Back when we really had a Pioneer program by joggle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know that's much more the old Russian style, not the US style. We were never so gung-ho that we would find a 50% survival rate acceptable. The US was very meticulous and careful during the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programs. The only fatalities that resulted from the program were the Apollo 1 astronauts. After that, there was a huge delay as they did a thorough investigation into the cause of the accident and made many changes to make it safer (not using pure oxygen in the capsule, better wiring, made it easier to open capsule door, etc.). If another accident had occurred soon after it was quite possible that the entire Apollo program would have been canceled.


      The Russian program, in contrast, had many accidents and were willing to launch men on a mission to the moon with almost no hope of them returning. They never got that far though (thank God) since we took the wind out of their sails by getting there first--not to mention their continuing difficulties of keeping their rocket from malfunctioning.

    2. Re:Back when we really had a Pioneer program by Dmala · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, that too. Just think, a statue of myself, arm outstretched, reaching for the stars. I'd probably have a high school named after me.

      Awesome. And I will totally send my kids to Smooth Wombat High.

  14. Three things you need to fix anything by cwills · · Score: 4, Funny
    The three things you need to fix anything in the universe.
    1. Duct Tape
    2. WD-40
    3. A Hammer

    • If it moves and it shouldn't - use Duct Tape
    • If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40
    • If neither of those work, use the hammer
    1. Re:Three things you need to fix anything by Thelasko · · Score: 3, Funny

      If the hammer doesn't work, get a bigger hammer.

      Always be worried when you see someone that works with computers carrying a 30 pound sledge hammer with a big smile on his/her face.

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  15. Ammo for the conspiracy theorists? by DanQuixote · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why are there no tracks before or after that tire?

    Was the photo just after assembly, but before movement?

    There's an astronaut sitting in it, how could he possibly wait for a photo shoot before hitting the gas?

    I would expect more footprints around the thing if it were just after assembly.

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    1. Re:Ammo for the conspiracy theorists? by JustinOpinion · · Score: 3, Informative

      Good observation.

      This is what I see in the photo: if you look at the front right wheel, you'll see an S-shaped trench leading away from it, going off-camera in the bottom-right of the image. You'll also notice that at the bottom-right of the image a footprint appears which seems to have significantly altered the trench. Actually it looks like it filled it in.

      The moondust is very light and prone to redistribution (that's the whole point of TFA, in fact), so perhaps just stepping near a tire-track is enough to fill in the trench (after the dust settles)? If so, then when you look at the back-right wheel, you'll see that there are footprints there which may have disturbed the ground and filled in the trench from the wheel (especially since he would have had to walk all over the place near that wheel while performing the repair). Actually there are some faint indications of where a track may have once been.

      I'm certainly no expert in these kinds of things, but it seems to me that working near the vehicle would quickly disturb any tracks, because of how light the rocks and dust are on the moon.

  16. Wet Ammo? by maz2331 · · Score: 2

    That's cool, but does it really matter if rifle ammo gets wet? Cartriges are pretty well sealed, and you can store a round of ammo under water for months, pull it out and fire it immediately.

    Maybe for other stuff like electronics or such. But ammo?

  17. There are probably full audio for this on the LSJ by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Lunar Surface Journal over here: (more specifically on the Apollo 17 page of course)
    http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/frame.html

    Craploads of imagery from all surface missions, full transcripts, and audio. :)

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  18. Re:Duct tape great for everything BUT ducts. by boyfaceddog · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought it was orginally called "Duck Tape" becasue the man who invented it used it to repair his boats. Back in those days it was made of duck cloth or "cotton duck", much sturdier than today's tape, and tar was used as the "glue" and waterproofer. When the modern manufactuer took over in world war two the tar was replaced with (then) moden glue and the waterproofing was a spray-on synthetic rubber, much like the macintosh raincoat. However the tape was used, as you said, for waterproofing ammo cans. It was soon used for much more.

    Yes, I call BS on you, too.

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  19. Duct tape saved my weekend by Ang31us · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, sort of...My housekeeper was cleaning and noticed (or perhaps caused) a hole about the size of a silver dollar in the drain pipe underneath my kitchen sink. The area around the hole was a corroded and basically everything that went down the drain ended up going out of the hole. I live in an apartment building where the super takes forever to fix things, so I had to come up with a stop-gap solution. First, I just put a bucket under it when I was just using water, but that was going to start to get really gross when I wanted to wash that night's frying pans, so I did not wash them that evening.

    The next morning, it hit me, I could wrap the pipe with duct tape to seal the hole and it worked! I cleaned my dishes, pots, pans and made pasta on Saturday; it even held up when I poured the boiling water down the drain.

    Not quite a NASA moon mission, but I did gain a new appreciation for duct tape.

  20. You're right, I looked it up by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Duct tape

    "Silence is golden, duct tape is silver coincidence, I think NOT!" ~ Oscar Wilde

    Duct Tape has amazing adhesive propertiesDuct Tape is the preferred material for Tuxedo construction. It is also a mystical force with a light side and a dark side. It is said to bind the Universe together, and this, combined with the moral duality of the substance, has made it a coveted object of power and worship among several religions, including the Druids(otherwise known as Jedi.) In fact, the bible states that on the third day, God invented Duct Tape.

    The Duc(k)t Tape Conspiracy
    Duct tape is, obviously, made of ducks. Only an idiot would say it's not. However, nobody is completely sure just how the factoris make it. Some say that after the cute little duckies hatch they are ground into powder, which is mixed with water and forms a glue. Others say they don't know. Whatever the method, duct tape is made of ducks.

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  21. been done before by NASA? by v1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I seem to recall the "Huston, we have a PROBLEM" mission (Appolo 13?) that they used duct tape to make the other CO2 filters mechanically compatible when they had to spend more time in orbit than they could manage just on the service module's filters. (one set was round and the other set was square)

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  22. Gaffa's better. by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Informative

    Gaffer tape is vastly superior to duct tape.

    Easier to tear, less residue, matte surface.

    Need I go on?

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  23. Slightly off topic... by owlnation · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try searching for "Moon buggy" in Wikipedia.

    And good luck with that. You'll turn up nothing but "articles" linked to commercial products. You have to use "Lunar Rover". (And it's an article ripped form a single source (albeit NASA))

    I wonder if someone could fix Wikipedia's search engine with duct tape? Though I suspect that it's far beyond that kind of repair.

  24. Possible protection for ducks from each other? by Nontagonist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How would Duck Tape be applied in this scenario to protect the pursued duck?

    "The strange case of the homosexual necrophiliac duck pushed out the boundaries of knowledge in a rather improbable way when it was recorded by Dutch researcher Kees Moeliker. ..."

    from:

    http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/research/story/0,9865,1432991,00.html

    Regards, Non.

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