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MSN Music DRM Servers Going Dark In September

PDQ Back writes to tell us about an email Microsoft sent to former customers of MSN Music today. The company said it would be turning off the DRM servers used to authorize playback of music purchased from the now-defunct MSN Music store. "'As of August 31, 2008, we will no longer be able to support the retrieval of license keys for the songs you purchased from MSN Music or the authorization of additional computers,' reads the e-mail. This doesn't just apply to the five different computers that PlaysForSure allows users to authorize, it also applies to operating systems on the same machine (users need to reauthorize a machine after they upgrade from Windows XP to Windows Vista, for example). Once September rolls around, users are committed to whatever five machines they may have authorized — along with whatever OS they are running."

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  1. DRM by mosiadh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Proof that DRM is inherently evil, even for the MS fanbois.

    1. Re:DRM by catwh0re · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the past, the argument against perpetual authorisation was along the lines of "if the music retailer goes under" then all your music will be lost. This, however, is proof that only a change in business strategy can render all your purchased music defunct. There could also be legal/authorisation issues if music labels pull out of the store. (Or in MS's case swap from strategy to another.)

    2. Re:DRM by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Backwards I am afraid.
      DRM isn't a problem if your a pirate. It is only a problem if you are customer.

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    3. Re:DRM by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here's a thought: class action lawsuit naming both Microsoft and the record labels as codefendants. Demand that they make available DRM-free copies of all music that has been legally purchased or at a minimum provide free copies based on a more up-to-date DRM mechanism. It's time to force the industry to pay the true cost of DRM: maintaining support for it forever.

      Once that is over, we should push for a law that requires all DRM-laden music sellers to be bonded for enough money to cover the cost of maintaining the DRM scheme indefinitely (that is, operating off of only a portion of the interest earned on the principal).

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    4. Re:DRM by t0y · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We rightfully own licenses.

    5. Re:DRM by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most of these online stores, even the stores with DRM, tell you you're "buying" the album or track. You know, like before you actually pay money, you click on some sort of button that often says something like "buy this album". It doesn't say "rent" or "license".

      Now there may well be something buried in the license agreement when you sign up for the store that says, "you aren't actually buying anything, you're just licensing the right listen them, and we can revoke that right whenever we want." Still, the way the stores are representing the transaction as "buying" the album, and that's the way consumers understand the transaction.

      If there isn't any legal consequence for the owners of online "stores" for this sort of misrepresentation, there should be.

    6. Re:DRM by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I, along with many others, have been saying this same statement for years. Nobody actually "owns" their music. They own certain contractual rights to music owned by other people, also referred to as an intellectual property license.

      Except, of course, that that isn't true either.

      Nobody owns music, because music is not property. You can own a copy of some music, stored in some physical form. The law reserves the right to make certain uses of that copy to certain people, for example, via the copyright in the piece and in any particular performance of it. But the record industry or copyright holder no more own music I've paid for than I do, because music in intangible and not subject to ownership.

      Now, if the record industry have taken someone's money in return for giving them a copy of some music, and then subsequently undermine the consumer's ability to enjoy that music in an expected way, then that is changing the rules. If the original contract, implied or otherwise, granted the rights to enjoy the music in normal fashion, then taking away this facility is breaking the contract and I don't see why whoever took the money shouldn't be liable for part of the cost representing the value lost. If the original contract contained some lawyerly weasel words about this possibility, then I think there is a decent ethical (and possibly legal too) argument that such terms would not normally be expected by someone buying their copy of the music and the one-sided contract terms should be invalidated.

      This is simple contract law and ethics, and DRM and the technical means involved don't really matter other than as the means to the end. As with all technology, DRM in itself is ethically neutral; it's how it's used that is ethical or evil. In this case, for example, there would be no problem now if upon selling the DRM'd copies of the music to customers, the provider had also been compelled to lodge a DRM-free version in escrow, to be released in circumstances such as this so that customers did not lose out. It's the way that no such arrangement appears to be in place here and the law seems to do nothing to protect the consumer at this point that makes the situation unjust, not the DRM.

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  2. Brilliant by conteXXt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    simply brilliant.

    At last Microsoft makes the case AGAINST DRM.

    Thank you gentlemen.

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  3. Within terms of agreement? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do the original terms of the sale/license agreement permit Microsoft to do this?

    And if so, does this show that the product, even as initially sold, was defective, unfit for purpose, or deceptively advertised?

  4. Ob "Thank you, Microsoft!" by vrmlguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I keep trying to explain to people why DRM is bad. This makes my job easier.

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  5. don't worry... by timmarhy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... bittorrent has them backed up for you.

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  6. Sucks to be you by Firas+Zirie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well that's just fabulous. Microsoft are basically telling their customers that in a few months your music is precariously balanced on the edge of not playing. How about unlocking all the music and getting over your failure of a music store huh?

  7. Hey, my CD still works... by tjstork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a bunch of CD's that I bought from a record store that went belly up. They still work. Maybe this DRM world ain't all its cracked up to be after all.

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  8. ONLY GOOD THINGS COME OUT OF IT!!! by eiapoce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am utterly pleased with MS decision to shut down the DRM servers.

    Know why? There are people that don't realise how bad are DRM downloads until they get royally fucked in the ass and this is what's going to happen on sept 1 2008.

    Nothing educates more than a bad experience.

  9. Re:Why is this news? Because it's Microsoft. by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is this any different than, say, Ford discontinuing its Aerostar minivan line?

    Did Ford engineer the Aerostar specifically so that, if they ever discontinued the line, you'd immediately be unable to change the oil or refill the gas tank?

    It's one thing if a product happens to have necessary limits. It's another thing for the product to be purposefully and artificially crippled so that it will not function as expected.

  10. Re:even for M$. by ls+-la · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How much money are they losing on this idiocy?

    Since everyone affected by this already bought their music, none. At least in the short term, they're saving money by not keeping the servers up, and as for the long term, those who bought music from MS aren't likely to switch to any other OS, so I'd say they're not likely to lose a penny.