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Rambus Wins Appeal of FTC Anti-Trust Ruling

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "Rambus has won its appeal in the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. The decision said that it wasn't sufficient to prove that Rambus lied or harmed competitors; the FTC had to prove that it harmed consumers in order to fall under anti-trust law. This is, unfortunately, a very dangerous ruling in light of some of Microsoft's activities relating to OOXML because it raises the bar on the proof required to act against such behavior. However, the ruling in the Rambus case was merely vacated and remanded for further proceedings, not overturned. So, if the evidence warrants, the lower court might be able to decide that consumers were actually harmed by Rambus' conduct and rule against them. Alternatively, this ruling could be appealed to the Supreme Court by filing a petition for a writ of certiorari, but the Supreme Court only grants a few of those per year."

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  1. This isn't a bad ruling at all by moderatorrater · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long as the burden of proof to show harm to consumers isn't too high, this should be relatively simple. Explain to a judge how the PC market grew and evolved into one where all parts are interchangeable and show the benefit that's had to the consumer. Then show how the actions that rambus took fragmented the market artificially, resulted in artificially high prices from rambus and set back the ram industry overall.

    The ooxml case is a little harder, especially since it's so early in the game that you can't see all the blowback yet, but considering the fact that even MS Office isn't compliant with the standard, it should be fairly simple to show that it's hurt the standards industry as a whole.

    The biggest downside is that this ruling encourages lying and backstabbing between competitors trying to work together to build good standards.

  2. Scambust by digitaldc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ----Judge Williams wrote that there wasn't sufficient evidence to claim that the standards organization would have gone with different technology. He also wrote that "deceit merely enabling a monopolist to charge higher prices than it otherwise could have charged ... would not in itself constitute monopolization."

    Huh?

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    1. Re:Scambust by mapsjanhere · · Score: 3, Informative

      The point the judges make is: If JEDEC would have known about the patents and intended patents, they would probably just have enforced RAND (reasonable and non-discriminatory)licensing terms. This would still made Rambus the monopolist, just at a lower rate. So the deceit did not give Rambus the monopoly, it just gave it better licensing rates.
      But the judges also doubt that the evidence holds up to the light in regards to the deceitfulness the FTC found. It doesn't say in the JEDEC rules of conduct that you have to tell everyone about everything you plan to patent in the future, only that you have to list existing and pending patents (which can be found by a 15 min search on the USPTO website anyway). Rambus "crime" was that they knew they had the ability to patent the technology JEDEC was discussing, and were not disclosing it; something against the spirit, but not the letter of the code for standard setting organizations.

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  3. Hurting the Competition by MozeeToby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hurting competition in and of itself hurts consumers. I thought that was the whole idea behind antitrust laws in the first place.

    1. Re:Hurting the Competition by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hurting competition in and of itself hurts consumers.
      "Hurting" the competition is a part of Capitalism, which is by definition competitive. There is always a winner and a loser in Capitalism.
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    2. Re:Hurting the Competition by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True, I guess what it comes down to is whether you are "hurting the compitition" or just "hurting competition"; as in the spirit of a fair and even playing field. In this case, Rambus was clearly trying to tilt the field in their favor.

  4. The burden of proof is a big deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > As long as the burden of proof to show harm to consumers isn't too high, this should be relatively simple.

    Well, that's the rub, isn't it? Proving things like "harm to consumers" is VERY expensive and requires expert witnesses and studies to counter your opposition because it's so vague. Proving someone lied is a lot simpler and less expensive. Not to mention less of a matter of opinion.

    As long as they can get away with lying to standards bodies to create or further a monopoly, though, I really don't like it. Suddenly, it changes the economic equation so that people can't challenge them unless it's too expensive not to. In other words, Microsoft may be able to use this as nearly a carte blanche to subvert standards bodies in its war on open standards.

    Oh, I should also add an addendum to this story: it seems that this was decided by a three judge panel, so there's one more possibility for appeal, according to some Groklaw comments. They may be able to appeal and have all the judges decide. But this appeal might not be granted, either, so who knows? If any actual lawyer responds and tells us about the appeals route, listen to them, not me :) I'm only sure about the Supreme Court being able to overturn this ruling (if they deign to), and the lower court being able to hold Rambus accountable for other reasons.

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  5. then people should go after the patents by futureb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if the technology was so widely recognized/easily adopted that it became industry standard during or just after the prosecution of the patents, isn't this a great argument that the patents themselves are invalid for obviousness?

  6. that makes sense by Speare · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not 100% up on my late-1990s corporate dramas anymore, and maybe it's just a flippant or spurious kind of analogy to ponder, so set me straight where I've got this wrong:

    Putting a file in a particular directory, so that other users might possibly request initiation of a download, is a criminal activity that can incur penalties of ~10000000% the cost of obtaining the original file legally. It doesn't matter if the file is actually downloaded. That's the "making available" charge.

    But somehow, brazenly sharing ideas in memory technologies with all your competitors in the standards group, while maintaining a submarine patent, and then launching legal attacks on all those who built on the shared ideas, this is somehow okay because they hadn't proved that such a move had moved beyond the standards group and affected the marketplace? That's the "no harm to consumers" defense?

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  7. Re:You can get away with anything in GWB's America by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What happened to the idea that, if you indulged in dishonest and otherwise scumbag practices, you had 'unclean hands' and deserved to lose on that basis.

    They found Herod's hand-washing dish. Besides, if you put two corporations in the same room and argue that the one with dirty hands looses, we'd need a new type of verdict of mutual guilt, where both sides get locked in the slammer for a few years. Hmmm. Actually, there might be something to be said for that...

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  8. This court is Microsoft's best friend by hpa · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is the same court that let Microsoft off the hook on appeal (so Bush could then let them off the hook entirely.) In fact, that same ruling was quoted as a reason to let Rambus off the hook.

  9. Competition is a means not an end by l2718 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hurting competition in and of itself hurts consumers. I thought that was the whole idea behind antitrust laws in the first place.
    Wrong. Actually, consumers benefit when they can get better goods or services at cheaper prices. Sometimes competition actually harms consumers. Here are two examples: first, due to economies of scale, sometimes when competitors merge prices actually go down. This is not to say every merger is good for the consumer, just that sometimes there's a downside to further competition. Secondly, consider a market where there is a high barrier to entry (power generation, or R&D intesive fields etc). In these cases the prospect of competition might actually deter companies from entering the market in the first place, leaving the consumer with zero options. In these cases a common solution is a government-assured monopoly (e.g. via exclusive licenses or patents). If you couldn't get patents then there would be a lot more competition for producing the inventions. But eliminating this particular form of competition can help the consumer. This is not to say everything should be patentable, just that you should weigh things from the point of view of the end (better results for the consumer) and not the means (more competition is usually better).
  10. IANAL but... by Philodoxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The decision said that it wasn't sufficient to prove that Rambus lied or harmed competitors; the FTC had to prove that it harmed consumers in order to fall under anti-trust law.
    Isn't harming competitors harming customers? I mean less competition means more monopolies/duopolies, and that's never good for prices. I mean it's ok to screw over your competitor by offering a superior services/products and equal/better prices, but it's totally different to deceive a standards body so you can sue its members for patent infringement.
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    1. Re:IANAL but... by mapsjanhere · · Score: 2, Informative

      Harming competitors in not necessarily harming consumers, remember VHS vs. Betamax? We had $1000 VCRs until one format killed the other (clearly harming its competitors). But VHS machines dropped to $30 after it became a monopoly format, because other competitors were able to invest now that the format war was over.

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  11. The geek with 20-20 hindsight by westlake · · Score: 3, Informative
    if the technology was so widely recognized/easily adopted that it became industry standard during or just after the prosecution of the patents, isn't this a great argument that the patents themselves are invalid for obviousness?

    It is an argument that the patented solution was practical and cheap.

  12. Rambo Won the appeal by electricbern · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...all he needed was a army knife, a bow and explosive arrows.

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  13. You're Right by JamesRose · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "This is, unfortunately, a very dangerous ruling in light of some of Microsoft's activities relating to OOXML because it raises the bar on the proof required to act against such behavior."

    It'd be so much EASIER if we could just change the law so we can prosecute the people we don't like. How hipocritical ARE YOU!?