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Nanoparticle Infused Gauze Quickly Stanches Wounds

jackieduvall writes "Medical gauze has received its first upgrade since World War I. Chemists have infused it with nanoparticles derived from kaolin clay, which somehow give it an amazing ability to stop severe bleeding. It was developed when the Navy approached a team of inorganic chemists at the University of California Santa Barbara to solve a problem with QuikClot, a zeolite-based hemostatic agent that became way too hot and caused burns when it came in contact with water or blood. While performing blood clotting tests, they realized that kaolin clay, which has been used as a control for clotting experiments since the 1950s, could also be used as a first aid product." There is a video demonstration alongside the article. It shows the gauze halting the bleeding from a pig's aorta. The blood isn't excessive, but if you're bothered by that sort of thing, you may want to skip the video.

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  1. Humph... This happens a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:Humph... This happens a lot by Mursk · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think the difference is that this gauze can be used fairly easily and quickly by just about anyone. The gel mentioned in the linked article seems like it would be more for operative use by surgeons (the summary mentions eye surgery). They are somewhat similar, but this still seems to represent something "new."

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    2. Re:Humph... This happens a lot by lecithin · · Score: 1

      Ah... I seem to remember another one as well.

      Instead of using shrimp particles, they want to be politically correct and use nanoparticles.

      http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/16/1518208

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    3. Re:Humph... This happens a lot by SoyChemist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, there are also surgical gels made from a polymer which is structurally similar to a protein from mussels.

    4. Re:Humph... This happens a lot by Mursk · · Score: 1

      Ah... OK, you win that one. Without actually reading either of the full articles, that does sound pretty similar...

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    5. Re:Humph... This happens a lot by dedazo · · Score: 1

      We've come a long way from Crazy Glue.

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    6. Re:Humph... This happens a lot by bargainsale · · Score: 5, Informative

      I am an eye surgeon [IAAES?], and I find it hard follow why Dmitri Azar in the linked article thinks it would be so useful in our field.

      Bleeding isn't normally a big feature of eye surgery such as cataract surgery.

      Maybe he has applications in retinal surgery in mind. Blood in the vitreous humour inside the eye clears away very slowly, and sometimes needs to be removed surgically, which is a very major eye operation. It would be good to have some substance you could inject into the eye which would clear the blood faster: in fact various things of this kind have been tried.

      It doesn't seem that this stuff would be particularly useful in that way, as it arrests bleeding rather than clears blood.

      Neurosurgery I can see, though.
      It reminds me of when I did neurosurgery as a trainee, years ago; brain bleeds easily, and the more you touch it, the more it tends to bleed. We used to splosh peroxide on the bleeding spots to arrest bleeding (I don't know if this still goes on).
      I remember a cynical anaesthesiologist saying he was convinced that peroxide had no actual effect in itself to stop the bleeding - what happens is that the peroxide fizzes for several minutes and during that time the surgeon has to keep his fingers away from the brain, and it's THAT that arrests the bleeding.

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    7. Re:Humph... This happens a lot by markov_chain · · Score: 1

      Heh I just had to prematurely end my dinner--that will teach me to read IAA*S posts while eating!

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    8. Re:Humph... This happens a lot by digitalderbs · · Score: 1

      the peroxide fizzes for several minutes and during that time the surgeon has to keep his fingers away from the brain, and it's THAT that arrests the bleeding. seems easy enough to test. Replace the peroxide with Folgers crystals and see if he notices.
    9. Re:Humph... This happens a lot by Country_hacker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow. Never thought I'd hear words like 'neurosurgery' and 'splosh' in the same paragraph. Remind me never to let you cut open my skull. ;-)

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    10. Re:Humph... This happens a lot by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this is the sort of thing you would want to issue to Soldiers to slap over a bullet wound on their thigh while they wait for the Medic to get to them. Every second counts when you're losing blood.

      I think they're already carrying a bandage that slows blood loss, but nothing that stops it like this does. This could save a lot of lives in combat. Hell, I'd put some under the seat of my car in case I ever got into a wreck. :3

    11. Re:Humph... This happens a lot by bargainsale · · Score: 1

      No, no, no, don't tug on that - you never know what it might be attached to ...

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    12. Re:Humph... This happens a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should worry about the ones who use the words "neurosurgery" and "squick" in the same sentence.

  2. Animal Cruelty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It doesn't say what happened to the pig. I have to hope there was a BBQ afterward.

    1. Re:Animal Cruelty by stoolpigeon · · Score: 5, Funny

      There was - and I don't know if it was the anesthesia or the nano-particles - but it tasted funny.

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    2. Re:Animal Cruelty by SoyChemist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nanoparticles make everything taste like chicken. That is the power of nanoscience. Anyway, research animals should be eaten if the substances which were used on them are safe.

    3. Re:Animal Cruelty by _KiTA_ · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Nanoparticles make everything taste like chicken. That is the power of nanoscience. Anyway, research animals should be eaten if the substances which were used on them are safe. Well, we'll let you can be the first to try a hydrogen-peroxide-bacon-lettuce-tomato sandwich, then. :)
    4. Re:Animal Cruelty by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

      It doesn't say what happened to the pig. I have to hope there was a BBQ afterward.

      Don't be too nonchalant about the whole thing... don't forget that you (and I) taste like bacon!

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    5. Re:Animal Cruelty by gd23ka · · Score: 1

      Actually it is true. We actually smell and taste like pretty much like pork when fried.
      Our meat has a lot of fat which makes us very tasty. Still human is not at all a healthy
      food choice as most predators agree.

    6. Re:Animal Cruelty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Long pig. Mmmmm.

    7. Re:Animal Cruelty by ozbird · · Score: 1

      There was - and I don't know if it was the anesthesia or the nano-particles - but it tasted funny.

      That wasn't pig you were eating - it was clown.

    8. Re:Animal Cruelty by budgenator · · Score: 1

      dude, it's clay ground up clay, not some exotic material, hell people drink it in a slurry to release the diarreha, it's called kaopectate!

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    9. Re:Animal Cruelty by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      We actually smell and taste like pretty much like pork when fried.

      It's true. I once thought it would be fun to play with molten glass. It wasn't.

      I haven't really had the same taste for pig since, though Chinese food gets a huge pass.

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    10. Re:Animal Cruelty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ratsickles for all!

    11. Re:Animal Cruelty by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

      Who cares? The pig didn't like us anyway for calling him a pig.

      Fuck him.

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  3. This is a US website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please us American versions of words. "Stanches?"

    1. Re:This is a US website by dreamchaser · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I think it was a spelling error. The word is 'staunches' and I believe it's spelled the same in US and UK English.

    2. Re:This is a US website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      A quick google search (http://www.google.com/search?q=Stanches&btnG=Google+Search) asks me the following:

      Did you mean: Sanchez A quick trip over to urbandictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sanchez) yields: Something to do with vandalism or growing unsightly facial hair. Neither of which are things that would be good when personal health is related. Further research leads me to believe that is could have something to do with human feces, which, if I may say so, is disgusting.
    3. Re:This is a US website by solafide · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, I'm fairly sure that it is correctly 'stanch' for 'cause to cease bleeding' and 'staunch' for 'very fervid, committed to a cause'. You stanch blood, you are a staunch supporter. They can be interchanged, but those are the original meanings, and it is correct as used.

    4. Re:This is a US website by Mesa+MIke · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Stanches", yay; "Staunches", nay.
      See http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stanches

    5. Re:This is a US website by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      You are correct. I should have looked it up in the first place. Still, I was hardly off topic as the mods seemed to believe :)

    6. Re:This is a US website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your right! Troll would have been the correct choice. There should be a "FAIL!" mod choice in the dropdown for posts like that.

    7. Re:This is a US website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's you're as in you are, not your as in the possesive, you trolling AC. FAIL.

  4. New Product Line... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For Tampax!

    1. Re:New Product Line... by icebike · · Score: 1

      Back to 6th grade biology / sex-ed course for you, funny boy.

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  5. I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by eihab · · Score: 0, Troll

    How about stopping the war?

    It's great that a lot of DOD investments make it to civilian use at some point (and I think this one will), but I think if we had a bigger research budget elsewhere we would have discovered/invented things without losing lives.

    It's probably naive to think that we don't need a defense budget (which is not what I'm advocating), but maybe if we focused more on research and science to cure diseases etc. and not on trying to be better at killing people, the world might just be a better place.

    Food for thought.

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    1. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Threni · · Score: 1

      Hey, it's not a conscript army. Let the grunts fuck each other up and perhaps we'll get some medicine out of it which will help non-psychopaths involved in accidents/illness etc.

      > It's probably naive to think that we don't need a defense budget (which is not what I'm advocating),

      Have you seen the size of the US "defence" budget? Whenever you hear someone talk about poverty, illness, charity for victims of, say, the Asian tsunami etc, look at what's being given, then look at the budget. I bet you can do it with laughing after a little practice.

    2. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      Food for thought? Like I haven't heard enough people with your view already? We need to both be better at killing people and better at saving their lives. Both are useful.

    3. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Kazrath · · Score: 1

      Your logic is sorta flawed. If they did not need to patch wounds they would not need to create a better solution to stopping blood flow thus the research would never happen.

      Without a valid reason to spend money on research it tends to be difficult to get money. Like I would love to do a 50 year research project on how having a harem of over a dozen women will effect erectile dysfunction in a man through adulthood... but I've yet to be able to convince the government on why they should spend their military money on me.

      Seriously though... if you wanna spout agenda's I wish we were loosing tons more people on a world scale ... some where around the rate of WWII would be sufficient. This would help drive down ridiculous land prices.

    4. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by rossz · · Score: 5, Informative

      The U.S. gives more money to countries in need than anyone other country in the world -- by a huge margin, especially if you combine government and private aid. When a disaster hits, the U.S. is often the first there with actual relief supplies. When that tsunami hit, the UN spent the first few months bitching about the quality of the hotel buffet and didn't do a damn thing about the people who needed help. The U.S. immediately sent a naval carrier task force (I think it took about a week to get there) -- which was criticized by idiots. A carrier task force gives you:

      Multiple hospitals, fully stocked with everything you need.
      Tons of food.
      Enough electrical power to supply a city.
      The most modern communication equipment in the world.
      The ability to create something like 100,000 gallons of pure drinking water a day.
      Helicopters for transporting supplies, personal, and the injured.
      Construction equipment, bulldozers are handy things when buildings have collapsed.
      Security. Natural disasters tend to attract roving bands of thugs who take advantage of the chaos to prey upon the helpless.
      etc, etc, etc.

      A carrier task force is about the best damn thing to have around when dealing with a disaster of that magnitude. I don't even need to list the huge sums of money and supplies donated by the American people and American businesses. I know of a lot of companies that sponsored donation matching.

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    5. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by FinchWorld · · Score: 1

      Damned hippies!

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    6. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The carrier force was missing one essential element of any relief effort though:
      Where were the reporters?

    7. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by msimm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The U.S. gives more money to countries in need than anyone other country in the world
      If you're going to rattle off broad claims like this you should at least cite them.

      That would be informative, otherwise you're essentially passing opinion (which I don't care about and leaves me less rather then more informed).
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    8. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. An Amphibious Ready Group is the best damn thing to have around when dealing with a disaster of that magnitude. A carrier isn't really equipped to move heavy equipment ashore like a LHA/LHD is. An LHD, LPD, and LSD in the group will give you heavy-duty hovercraft and even heavier duty displacement craft in addition to heavy-lift helicopters. The medical facilities for an ARG are comparable to that of a CSG.

    9. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by eihab · · Score: 1

      No offense, but if my views were widely popular to be that annoying, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have elected Bush twice nor would we be in war right now.

      I'm not trying to start a political war here, it's already happening everywhere else. Just like I said, food for thought*.

      *Your appetite may vary

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    10. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by rossz · · Score: 1

      I must admit ignorance about what an ARG is capable of doing. A carrier task force is still pretty damn good to have around, wouldn't you agree?

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    11. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Buelldozer · · Score: 2, Informative

      These are such well known statistics that I'm surprised you're questioning them. The United States Government is, and has been for some time, the largest giver in absolute dollars of any nation in the world. There are tons of references to this online but here is one: http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp#ForeignAidNumbersinChartsandGraphs Buried in that article is the knowledge that U.S. Citizens, outside the government, donate almost double what the Government does. No matter how you slice the numbers the United States through it's government and private citizens are the most generous givers in absolute terms of any nation and her citizens. Period.

    12. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by rossz · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You are joking, right? How is a reporter an essential element of a relief effort? They aren't there to save lives. In a disaster, a good news story is not a high priority to the people dying. The reporters didn't have any problems getting there, so I where's the problem?

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    13. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Is that a fact? Would this go under "Foreign aid"? Because last I heard, U.S. ranks almost last in terms of foreign aid in terms of GDP, with most of it going to Israel.
      Here is a somewhat old, but relevant study. (Not relevant to TFA, mind, but to this rather OT thread.)

    14. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by HeavensBlade23 · · Score: 1

      Then why didn't we send a carrier in after Katrina hit?

    15. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1


      It's pretty common knowledge that the USA is both the largest source of foreign aid in terms of raw dollars and one of the smallest sources of foreign aid in terms of GDP.

      What's less well known is that close to two-thirds of that aid go to Israel and Egypt for the the purpose of buying weapons.

    16. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by rossz · · Score: 1

      They did send in a bunch of military vessels. My guess is there was no carrier close enough to send.

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    17. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

      The U.S. gives more money to countries in need than anyone other country in the world...
      If you're going to rattle off broad claims like this you should at least cite them.


      The US give by far the most in dollars, but fairly low in terms of GNP. But that is only counting UN Official Development Assistance contributions. I couldn't find numbers for private donations or other non-military aid. Although the Gates Foundation wrote just over $2 billion in grants in 2007, which would put their giving on a level just between Denmark and Australia.

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    18. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Threni · · Score: 3, Informative

      > These are such well known statistics that I'm surprised you're questioning them. The United States Government is, and has been for some
      > time, the largest giver in absolute dollars of any nation in the world.

      Yeah, but most of that `giving` is to Israel. I'm talking about charity, to countries which need it. And by the Government, not the people. Finally, the US gives far less than the suggested minimum of its GDP. You're living the dream, arncha!

    19. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm an Aussie, I generally agree with your post and think Americans (both in government and in private) are generous when disaster strikes.

      The ships you speak of helped out in Indonesia, it took less than a week since, they were in the area and arrived before the Aussies could get there (and we live next door!!). The US had a shipload of choppers and spent weeks carting bottled water, desal plants, portable hostpitals, etc, etc. On one isolated island the choppers were attacked by some stone age natives with bows and arrows (who had survived by following their ancestors advice and going to high ground when the earth rumbled), but generally the assistance was greatly appreciated.

      One point in your post bugs me, you don't need to denigrate the efforts of others (UN) to make the US look good. The US is great for initial releif and moving a lot of bulk in a hurry. The UN is great for long term assistance and opening the political doors that enable the US Navy to do it's stuff. In other words the US & UN work best together not in competition.

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    20. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Jorek · · Score: 1

      I could just as easily find statistics that prove the opposite : http://www.poverty.com/internationalaid.html But then again .. what has any of this to do with " Nanoparticle Infused Gauze Quickly Stanches Wounds"

    21. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by eihab · · Score: 1

      Your logic is sorta flawed. If they did not need to patch wounds they would not need to create a better solution to stopping blood flow thus the research would never happen. I beg to differ, war is not the only way to get a wound or to start bleeding.

      We have invented *tons* of useless and useful things without the help of DOD or for war purposes.

      Anyway, seeing the moderation my comment got and the responses I think my post was lost on this whole discussion so might as well stop replying.
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    22. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by eihab · · Score: 1

      lol!

      I hope you intended that to be in a cartman like voice :P

      Thanks for the laugh.

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    23. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but most of that `giving` is to Israel. I'm talking about charity, to countries which need it.
      You're joking, right? Are you totally ignorant of Israels situation, or are you just trolling?

      Anyway, charity is charity, regardless of your uninformed opinion. Maybe someone somewhere thinks that drug users don't deserve to be given money, but that doesn't mean you're not being charitable when you give to a program to help drug users.

      Finally, the US gives far less than the suggested minimum of its GDP.
      So there's a suggested minimum for being charitable now? :) Right. Didn't anyone tell you that communism is dead?
    24. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by budgenator · · Score: 1

      The problem with the UN helping is it's a democratic process and by the time the members vote to form a study group to report on the degree of the required help, then reports back to the committee who holds a vote to request the over-flight and assigns that to another subcommittee, which then requests supplies from the members etc. where the carrier group's Admiral just says "We're going to help those people, we've got more combat power than most nations so try to stay out from underfoot until we're done; and the UN comes around and pretends they are helping"

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    25. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      The United States Government is, and has been for some time, the largest giver in absolute dollars of any nation in the world. There are tons of references to this online but here is one: http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp#ForeignAidNumbersinChartsandGraphs A loan is not a gift.
      Official aid is not free, there are strings attached.

      No matter how you slice the numbers the United States through it's government and private citizens are the most generous givers That is UTTER bullshit, your own link slices the numbers and in EVERY WAY but one, the US is far, far from first place, never mind your mistaken idea about giving VS loaning.
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    26. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by c6gunner · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The UN is great for long term assistance and opening the political doors that enable the US Navy to do it's stuff. In other words the US & UN work best together not in competition.
      Um, no. Have you ever worked with the UN? Talk to any veteran who's been on UN "peacekeeping" ops, and you'll quickly lose your delusions about what they do.

      I mean, if by "long term support" you mean "personnel who sit around and look pretty while the locals get butchered", then yeah, you got it right. Hell, just recently in Lebanon UN forces confronted a handful of terrorists who were smuggling weapons. When the terrorists threatened them with said weapons, the UN promptly ran away. Turns out their new motto is "don't ask, don't tell". And don't get me started on the Rwanda massacres, where the UN started withdrawing even before the violence started.

      And if by "opening the political doors that enable the US Navy to do it's stuff" you mean "criticize and demonize the US at every possible opportunity, while propping up tinpot dictators", then yeah, once again, you're bang on! I mean .... giving Ahmadenijad the floor so he can call the US "The Great Satan" and encourage others to fight against America .... yeah, that opens all kinds of doors! Not to mention the various resolutions and statements made over the years by numerous UN officials.

      The UN has become less effective and more corrupt than the League of Nations which it replaced. It's about time the US pulled out. See how long the UN lasts without them.
    27. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      They did - along with amphib ships and helo carriers. You can check this article for a decent list. Look at the paragraphs just to the left of the Chinook photo.

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    28. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1

      Not to belittle US assistance, but as a percentage of gross national income the US is way low on the scale. It's true that the absolute numbers that the US gives are very high (about twice as high as the next highest country), but it also helps to keep in mind that we aren't really sacrificing all that much in order to do it. About 0.17% of our GNI. Here's a page with some nice charts and numbers.

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    29. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by aevan · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it's more sarcastic cynicism? While reporters aren't a high priority to the people dying, they are a high priority to some of those tendering relief (politicos)...the good PR of being 'seen' saving lives can be a large incentive.

    30. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by rossz · · Score: 1

      I did not mean to insult any nation. The world's reaction to the relief effort made me stop for a moment and think, "damn, there's hope for the human race after all!" The UN delegation, however, was a completely different matter. I wasn't joking when I said they bitched about the hotel buffet. They did. And they didn't do a damn thing to actually help the relief effort.

      BTW, according to the numbers, the average donation per capita of you Aussies was about USD 66. Holy shit, you guys ROCK!

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    31. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that the US are also one of the biggest superpowers in the world and that they still carry on (or even start, depending on your point of view) international conflicts such as Iraq, they better damn-well also be one of the biggest aid contributers. Not that that it makes it OK, either.

      I know that probably isn't your point, but many people do see to think that way.

    32. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "the average donation per capita of you Aussies was about USD 66. Holy shit, you guys ROCK!"

      Thanks, most of it was private, I belive the govt gave $1B to Indonesia in cash and kind.

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    33. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Are you totally ignorant of Israels situation, or are you just trolling?

      Illegally occupying land, pissing off the past/present owners and surrounding community, breaching multiple UN regulations etc. Yeah, it's in the paper from time to time.

      I don't understand your ramblings about charity being charity.

      > So there's a suggested minimum for being charitable now? :) Right. Didn't anyone tell you that communism is dead?

      So there's a suggested minimum for being charitable now? :) Right. Didn't anyone tell you that communism is dead?

      Yes, I just told you there is. Reading not your strong point, eh?

      I don't understand your ramblings about communism. Unless you're saying that the UN is a communist body.

    34. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by kaizokuace · · Score: 1

      oh but it is so true. It's called outsourcing in some cirlces.

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    35. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Meh, I could rattle of a list of 'evil' shit for just about any nation or international group, or I could quote what ambulance drivers and moticians talk about during lunch break, to do so would miss the point of my original post.

      If there is a systemic problem with the UN it is that the permenent members of the UNSC use it as a method of fight proxy wars where real people (ie: smaller oil rich nations) get caught in the middle, still it's preferable to nothing.

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    36. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by TapeCutter · · Score: 1
      "The problem with the UN helping is it's a democratic process and by the time the members vote to form a study group to report on the degree of the required help, then reports back to the committee who holds a vote to request the..."

      I will continue the theame of emphasising the good works of the UN in the case of the tsunami. A snippet below from this link dated ~4 weeks after the Tsunami hit. Note this is the area where the US were, the UN assisted across the rim of the Indian ocean to Ethiopia and brough political attention to the plight of NE Sri Lanka.

      The UN Development Programme (UNDP) had scaled up its plans to hire locals in Aceh to remove debris while creating employment opportunities for up to 3,000 people, from an initial 300, over the next six months. The agency has also provided 17 units of heavy equipment and 60 crew members to clear debris and bodies from the worst-hit areas.

      Since the tsunami struck in Indonesia on 26 December, the UN World Food Programme (WFP) has delivered over 4,000 tons of food to 330,000 people in Banda Aceh, the provincial capital. It has also provided eight tons of medical supplies while the Joint UN Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS) has distributed information on the disease in emergency settings and the UN Population Fund (UNFPA) has delivered over 600 reproductive health kits.


      BTW: I don't think admirals have been so gung-ho since the Mogadishu thing. IIRC, in the case of Indonesia they were welcomed with open arms after responding to a request for help by the Indonesians via the UN.
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    37. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by O+Blimey · · Score: 1

      You make it sound like New Orleans would have been better off being a part of a different country.

    38. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by budgenator · · Score: 1

      My understanding was that the Islamic Nation of Indonesia had severe reservations about allowing the Great White Satanic US Marine Infidels on shore to save their people death and suffering.

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    39. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by blueish+yellow · · Score: 1
      In the past it was easy to rewrite history, but these days not so much. Let's go back to December 29th 2004 and see what the actual Bush administration response was to the tsunami. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32337-2004Dec28.html

      Although U.N. Emergency Relief Coordinator Jan Egeland yesterday withdrew his earlier comment, domestic criticism of Bush continued to rise. Skeptics said the initial aid sums -- as well as Bush's decision at first to remain cloistered on his Texas ranch for the Christmas holiday rather than speak in person about the tragedy -- showed scant appreciation for the magnitude of suffering and for the rescue and rebuilding work facing such nations as Sri Lanka, India, Thailand and Indonesia. Many Bush aides believe [Bill] Clinton was too quick to head for the cameras to hold forth on tragedies with his trademark empathy. "Actions speak louder than words," a top Bush aide said, describing the president's view of his appropriate role.
      The initial response was to criticize Bill Clinton for his statements and pledge $15 milion dollars, which is a drop in the bucket. It was only after widespread domestic and international criticism did the government take more concrete action. The same article goes on to say that,

      Among the world's two dozen wealthiest countries, the United States often is among the lowest in donors per capita for official development assistance worldwide, even though the totals are larger. According to the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development of 30 wealthy nations, the United States gives the least -- at 0.14 percent of its gross national product, compared with Norway, which gives the most at 0.92 percent.
      So, sure, the US is the most generous in absolute terms but that's because its economy makes up about 25% of the entire world's GDP. But in relative terms it's the stingiest.

      Reuters has a nice infographic comparing the total amounts donated by 20 countries for the tsunami relief effort. http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/aidtracker/index.htm The United States was at the top in absolute amounts, but lowest in the ratio government aid to private aid (its citizens are more generous the the government) and about 16th in aid per capita.

    40. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by chill · · Score: 1

      And by the Government, not the people.

      This is a fundamental issue that I fervently disagree with.

      The government of this country should give ZERO dollars in aid. It should come from the people. It is NOT the purpose of a Republican government (Republican as is in "a republic", not the political party) to redistribute the wealth of the citizenry, much less to foreign nations.

      The American people are some of the most giving in the world, assuming they have money left to give and it isn't all sucked up by a series of socialist wealth redistribution programs.

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    41. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      You're joking, right? Are you totally ignorant of Israels situation, or are you just trolling?
      The US government gives money to Israel which is used to buy weapons from the US. How charitable...
    42. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, given our size, aren't we generally dealing with at least one INTERNAL disaster that would trigger international aid if it occurred somewhere else? Yes, Katrina triggered international aid. But we still have various fires, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, industrial accidents, etc...

      And we don't normally see a huge amount of aid in them. We provide it internally. Sometimes we'll get assistance from foreign governments in the form of various specialists. But not stuff like X hundreds or thousands of tons of food, equipment, etc...

      Of course, I much favor a hand up type style of aid, versus a 'hand out' style of aid. The difference is that the recipient of a hand up doesn't need one the next year, while the recipient of a hand out is generally waiting there with their hand still out next year.

      Unfortunately, the hand up is generally more expensive than the hand out.

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    43. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      but lowest in the ratio government aid to private aid (its citizens are more generous the the government) and about 16th in aid per capita.

      And what's wrong with that? Personally I think that aid/charity should be mostly a private matter.

      16th, given the hundreds of countries, ain't bad, especially given our size and the fact we normally take care of internal incidents and disasters without counting in that international aid category.

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    44. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      The US government gives money to Israel which is used to buy weapons from the US. How charitable...
      Yuhuh. What's wrong with that? If I give a homeless guy coupons which he can only use to buy food from me, am I not being charitable? I've heard your line of reasoning before, but I've never understood it. Are you saying that the only way to be charitable is to give dollars? So when I give old clothes to goodwill, or donate blood at the blood bank, I'm actually being a stingy bastard?
    45. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      ... I could quote what ambulance drivers and moticians talk about during lunch break ...
      Sorry, but I just couldn't let that go. Are you suggesting that cases of violence amongst the general population of a country are equivalent to systematic corruption within an organization?

      If there is a systemic problem with the UN it is that the permenent members of the UNSC use it as a method of fight proxy wars where real people (ie: smaller oil rich nations) get caught in the middle
      Oh really. Care to cite an example?
    46. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "Are you suggesting that cases of violence amongst the general population of a country are equivalent to systematic corruption within an organization?"

      I have no idea how you read that into what I said, but I was suggesting that people who are constantly exposed to human trauma may appear cold and uncaring when complaining about the breakfast buffet. I am also suggesting certain political spin merchants will jump on such trivia to demonize others and fools will go along for the ride. I don't want to get into a debate on corruption since it will be seen a "yank bashing" in this context and said corruption (by the US or UN) is unrelated to the tsunami relief effort.

      "Care to cite an example?"

      Good greif man, where have you been living for the last half a decade or more. If the cold war is too distant a memory how about the fact Isreal has defied more UNSC resolutions that anyone else due to the US veto powers. How about the fact that the 'corruption' in the oil for food scandal was dilegently reported to the UNSC by the general assembly - while it was happening - yet ALL of the permenent members let it slide for years because they were ALL guilty. Why the hell would Clinton donate $2B worth of attack choppers to Burma in the 90's if he didn't see Burma as a pawn. Why (in the west) is an nuke considered more dangerous in Iran than in Saudi Arabia?

      The planet was divided up 60yrs ago by the winners of WW2 and the fortunate five have been haggling and fighting to increase their share ever since. The UNSC is no different in concept to the Supreme Council of Iran, both are undemocratic authorities that oversee a democratic assembly and both are used to maintain the status-quo by force of arms. If you want half a chance at understanding why international politics succedes and fails in a particular senarios then stop blindly parroting the innane spin of certain US senators who are mearly offering a convienient scapegoat to distract attention from their from their own failings. /rant

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    47. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      If you investigate a little deeper you will find the Indonesians were fighting an armed sepratist group in the area and SOME generals in the Indonesian military voiced concern for the welfare of releif workers and the possibility of three way clashes between sepratists, marines and the Indonesian regulars. Keep digging and you will also find that the tsunami was the catalyst for the sepratists and the government to make peace with each other (again via the UN).

      No nation on Earth will allow a foreign force into it's waters without first assessing the situation, to enter without permission is an act of war. The same concept holds true for the relationship between individual US states and the US military. The carrier group did not just get up and go to the nearest scene of devastation on the whim of an Admiral, politicians gave it that task and they did so in a very timely and compasionate manner.

      BTW: Why are you taking islamo-facist rhetoric from the extreme fringe of middle eastern politics and putting it into the mouth of a SE Asian republic?

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    48. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      If the cold war is too distant a memory
      Ah. So the cold war was all about oil now, was it? And it was fought through the UN, was it?

      how about the fact Isreal has defied more UNSC resolutions that anyone else due to the US veto powers
      Right! Because the Palestinian territories hold MASSIVE stores of oil! And the US support of Israel operates through the UN! Wow, you're so smart.

      yet ALL of the permenent members let it slide for years because they were ALL guilty
      Well, except for the US. But yes, almost everyone was profiting off the oil-for-food fiasco, and not just the "permanent members". Really, you're proving MY point, which is that the UN is corrupt and useless.

      Why the hell would Clinton donate $2B worth of attack choppers to Burma in the 90's if he didn't see Burma as a pawn.
      I don't know, ask Clinton. All I know is that this example, like all your other examples, had absolutely nothing to do with your original stated premise, which was that "If there is a systemic problem with the UN it is that the permenent members of the UNSC use it as a method of fight proxy wars where real people (ie: smaller oil rich nations) get caught in the middle"

      So far you have failed to prove your premise in a spectacular fashion.

      If you want half a chance at understanding why international politics succedes and fails in a particular senarios then stop blindly parroting the innane spin of certain US senators who are mearly offering a convienient scapegoat to distract attention from their from their own failings.
      Um, fuck you very much. Unlike you, I've actually WORKED with the UN, and my opinions, while they are similar to those of most of my coworkers, are entirely my own. That you would dare suggest that I'm simply "parroting" someone elses opinions tells me all I need to know about your character. Also, please, work on your spelling; your little run-on sentence there has 5 misspelled words in it, which doesn't do much to instill confidence in your intellectual abilities.
    49. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      /s "half a decade", "half a century".

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    50. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "Well, except for the US."

      US companies were responsible for ~50% of the 'corrupt' money that changed hands, it was the UNSC's responsiblity to police the sanctions they themselves set up, but they ignored all of it with a wink and a nod until the US found it convienient to do otherwise for political purposes.

      I can no longer argue with such willfull ignorance as such arguments are pointless, fuck you and your perfect spelling.

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    51. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Usually when people speak of charity they mean giving to those of us who are less well off. I don't really think giving weapons to the military of a rich, industrialized country can be called charity.

      I guess a good analogy would be that you give food coupons to your wealthy friend and claim that you have now helped the poor.

    52. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Usually when people speak of charity they mean giving to those of us who are less well off. I don't really think giving weapons to the military of a rich, industrialized country can be called charity.
      Helping people defend themselves against bigger opponents is generally considered charitable. Even ignoring that, giving is charitable regardless of how rich the recipient may be. If you give money to a museum, you're being charitable despite the fact that the Museum's exhibits are worth more than you'll ever make.
    53. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I guess my definition of charity was incorrect after all. Somehow it's always felt like it should be given to the needy and so forth, but the museum example does clinch it.

      Now just to be consistent, I'm sure you consider the money Iran gives to Hezbollah charity as well?

    54. Re:I have a better idea to stop the bleeding! by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Now just to be consistent, I'm sure you consider the money Iran gives to Hezbollah charity as well? I don't know. Charity is defined as a gift meant to promote the public good. Hezbollah hasn't done much in that regard, even for their own people.

      I suppose that, in the sense that Iran believes that money is being used for the greater good of the Muslim world, you could say it was charity. On the other hand, the results speak for themselves, and it does say a lot about their ideology that they're funding an organization whose only purpose is to kill civilians.

  6. Misread by electricbern · · Score: 1

    Darn... I was so excited when I read that as shaolin clay.

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    1. Re:Misread by kris.montpetit · · Score: 1
      1024 lemmings can't be wrong.

      Welcome to democracy, my friend.

    2. Re:Misread by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have offended my family and you have offended the Shaolin clay.

  7. So our ancestors had it right? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

    So when our ancestors got wounds and rubbed dirt into them they had it right all along? Or is it they had it wrong, you only rub special dirt in, and only if the wound is severe?

  8. Sounds by Kamineko · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like a gauze for celebration!

  9. Also works for the runs... by neapolitan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Medical factoid - kaolin and pectin are the substances that constitute the anti-diarrheal substance "Kaopectate" (hence the name.) Note that it doesn't really do anything but bind with water -- kind of a clay-like substance that will then give one more firm stools.

    I think the modern kaopectate has modified its ingredients, but kaolin clay like substances are still available for medical use. Nice to see a new implementation of this technology, with the "nano" prefix thrown in for sexiness.

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    1. Re:Also works for the runs... by SoupGuru · · Score: 3, Funny

      I wish my wife thought "nano" things are sexy.

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    2. Re:Also works for the runs... by jheath314 · · Score: 1

      She does. Unfortunately, she doesn't think of it as a prefix, but as something that follows "iPod".

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    3. Re:Also works for the runs... by Samgilljoy · · Score: 1

      She does. Unfortunately, she doesn't think of it as a prefix, but as something that follows "iPod".

      And such postfix "nanos" can perform for hours without any downtime for recharging.

    4. Re:Also works for the runs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kaopectate change its formula in 2003 or 2004. The active ingredient is now bismuth subsalicylate, just like PeptoBismol.

    5. Re:Also works for the runs... by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Nice to see a new implementation of this technology, with the "nano" prefix thrown in for sexiness. Yea, I was rather disappointed in what I read from TFA.

      They had this new whizbang clotting agent, but it was very exothermic, so....
      Their solution was to take a old, known clotting agent and grind it up really fine.
      The End.

      How anticlimactic.
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    6. Re:Also works for the runs... by Tokerat · · Score: 1

      When I read the title of your post, I thought they where going to start making gauze underwear. Nothing quite like that "Imhotep" look to help protect yourself against the Colorado quick-step...

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    7. Re:Also works for the runs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their solution was to take a old, known clotting agent and grind it up really fine.


      Not even that. It was always ground really fine, that's what clay is, finely ground up rocks.
  10. Ah... by jd · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's fine for people with blood, but what happens to those of us who are caffeine-based lifeforms?

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    1. Re:Ah... by spun · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just use powdered non-dairy creamer, silly.

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    2. Re:Ah... by ameline · · Score: 1

      Or alcohol based ones for that matter...
      Or hybrids (I currently have coffee and baileys flowing through my circulatory system :-)

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  11. A brief history of kaolin by the+Dragonweaver · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Clay- all clay- is basically a mixture of kaolin, water, and larger particles (sand or "grog"- crushed clay bits.) Clays with a low percentage of kaolin and a high percentage of inclusions are low-fire clays, such as terra cotta, while a high percentage of kaolin is necessary for high-fire clays such as porcelin.

    Porcelin clays are fired between three and four thousand degrees in order to vitrify- which means, to melt and fuse together. Glazes, which are based in sand and metal, vitrify at a lower temperature, which is why pots have two firings, the first to make them pots instead of shaped clay, and the second to decorate them.

    Kaolin is not quite as common as dirt or sand but it is found all over the world and not too difficult to obtain. A good college ceramics department will have a barrel on hand.

    The upshot of this, I guess, is that if you are foolish enough to stick your hand into a clay mixer, which is like a Kitchen Aid stand mixer on steroids, and get your hand torn off, sticking your hand into the barrel of kaolin dust would be amazingly good first aid.

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    1. Re:A brief history of kaolin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      zeolite is used in nearly all clothing laundry detergents, but I wouldn't want to stick that on a wound.

    2. Re:A brief history of kaolin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      No, "clay" may consist of a considerable number of different clay minerals, of which kaolin group minerals are only one part. Illite, and smectite clays like montmorillonite, along with kaolin group clays and a couple others, are pervasive. Other phyllosilicates (sheet silicates) may also be considered clays. Most of the stuff we call "clay" consists of some significant percentage of these various clay minerals in more-or-less loose aggregates of microscopic crystals, along with anything else, such as water, miscellaneous mineral grains, and sand, that might get mixed up with the clay minerals. As for what is considered "clay" and what isn't, it depends on context. A geologist in the field, mineralogist, and ceramic artist might all cut their answer different ways.

    3. Re:A brief history of kaolin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "Clay- all clay- is basically a mixture of kaolin, water, and larger particles ..."

      You have the right idea, except for the "all clay" part. Kaolinite is only one of the many other clay minerals that exist, such as illite, dickite, montmorillonite, and on and on. Next to quartz, clay minerals are probably the most common minerals observed on the surface of the Earth. There are dozens of common clay minerals and many more uncommon ones. It's a diverse family of hydrated aluminum silicate minerals with the silicate tetrahedra arranged in sheets (i.e. phyllosilicates).

      In summary, it is quite possible to have a clay that doesn't have any kaolinite in it, although for porcelin use, you are right that it is usually the preferred clay used in the mix.

  12. OT : What's wrong with blood? by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

    The blood isn't excessive, but if you're bothered by that sort of thing, you may want to skip the video.

    Here's something that I've always wondered and never got an answer to. Why are some people bothered by the sight of blood? What's shocking about it? I really don't get it even a bit. Besides I always thought (my own) blood was kind of yummy.

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    1. Re:OT : What's wrong with blood? by jheath314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suppose it has something to do with our natural aversion as a species to injury and death. Most apes aren't really predators by nature (many are omnivorous, but mostly vegetarian), so usually any blood they happen to see would be their own.

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    2. Re:OT : What's wrong with blood? by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      That's fine and dandy, but that doesn't tell me what people who are bothered even slightly by the sight of blood feel or think.

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    3. Re:OT : What's wrong with blood? by Nullav · · Score: 1
      I'd assume it has more to do with seeing it come out of something; sort of how many of us will pass on touring a slaughter house but fry up strips of bacon first thing in the morning.
      Reinforcing my point: I've never seen anyone vomit at the sight of maroon paint.

      Besides I always thought (my own) blood was kind of yummy. I somehow doubt your first reaction to losing a hand would be to grab a dixie cup.

      Somewhat off-topic: Am I the only one having trouble loading the video? I just see a black rectangle with a menu below.
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    4. Re:OT : What's wrong with blood? by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

      It's a matter of conditioning and mindset. I've seen people blow chunks when they catch the smell of spoiled casein paint, but because I know what it is and I have acclimated to it, I am no longer bothered by the smell. It makes sense to instinctually associate blood with violence and death (and thus be revolted) unless you have learned other associations with it. Most trauma injuries make me think of mountain biking.

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    5. Re:OT : What's wrong with blood? by couchslug · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Here's something that I've always wondered and never got an answer to. Why are some people bothered by the sight of blood?"

      Social conditioning. When I was young I was tasked with beheading and plucking a bunch of chickens. I found it a bit nasty (I was an innocent suburban kid) because I was never taught nor had I experienced anything different.

      My views changed instantly on eating the delicious stew made from my victims. :)

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    6. Re:OT : What's wrong with blood? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reinforcing my point: I've never seen anyone vomit at the sight of maroon paint. Clearly you've never visited my..err.. my ex-wife's house.
    7. Re:OT : What's wrong with blood? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      when I took the Combat Life Saver course, one of the requirements for graduation was to start an IV, and of course this implied that somebody was need to have the IV started one and it doesn't take much imagination to figure out "each other" was nominated. One of my fellow students confided to me "Sargent I'm afraid of needles" so I figured no problem, I got two arms, and getting stuck twice isn't a big deal. It turned out that when he said "afraid of needles" I heard "afraid of have a needle inserted into him", but he ment that not only was he afraid of being stuckee, he was afraid of being the sticker! I thought the situation was pretty odd being Infantry who's job was to make rather large holes in people with painfully blunt bullets to have someone who couldn't make rather small painless holes in anybody with a nice sharp needle.

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    8. Re:OT : What's wrong with blood? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Here's something that I've always wondered and never got an answer to. Why are some people bothered by the sight of blood? What's shocking about it? Dunno, but I can't watch surgery video. In Afghanistan I had hands-on experience with everything from sucking chest wounds to burned and blown-up bodies. I can hold a big ol' gaping wound shut with a pressure dressing in real life, but I can't stand to watch open heart surgery on the Discovery Channel. Mysteries of the universe.
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  13. Obligatory 911 reference by kdubb1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "In 2002, following the September 11 attacks, the military was looking at new technologies to stop bleeding," Huey says.
    As if the military had no other reason to look into this.
    1. Re:Obligatory 911 reference by gd23ka · · Score: 1

      You're not supposed to notice that. Please call 911 for FREE cable!!

    2. Re:Obligatory 911 reference by turing_m · · Score: 1

      If we are prevented from using cheesy pretexts in the post September 11th world, the terrorists win.

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    3. Re:Obligatory 911 reference by ruin20 · · Score: 1

      No, we just had no budget for R&D. From 1987 to 2001 we had been cutting funding and closing operations as the military budget became a lower congressional priority. During that time we spent less and less discretionary funds (read new projects) and what we did get for new work was largely for demil operations. (cleaning up screw-ups like the nuclear mortar program) It's not that we couldn't have done it before or we weren't interested, but that we saw more advantage on using what funds we had to transition the field from last gen to current and to clean up and reduce the military administrative foot print. And believe it or not, closing bases and deposing of stockpiles takes a lot of money.

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  14. nano technology? by icebike · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Since when does grinding something small constitute nanotechnology?

    I'd have to take such characterization with a grain of nano calcium chloride.

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    1. Re:nano technology? by GuruofVanNuys · · Score: 1

      ...perhaps you mean Sodium Chloride?

    2. Re:nano technology? by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Since when does grinding something small constitute nanotechnology?

      Why mod this "interesting"?

      There was no mention of "nanotechnology" anywhere in the article or summary. They are talking about nanoparticles.

      Quoted from your local neighborhood Wikipedia:

      "A nanoparticle which historically has included nanopowder, nanocluster, and nanocrystal is a small particle with at least one dimension less than 100 nm."

      See, no tiny machines necessary...

    3. Re:nano technology? by Velocir · · Score: 1

      A grain of nanolimestone? I suspect you meant sodium chloride. I should revoke your chemistry licence for that, really, but your number is much lower than mine...

    4. Re:nano technology? by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Since when does grinding something small constitute nanotechnology? Since we got measuring and grinding technology capable of nano-scale work?
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    5. Re:nano technology? by budgenator · · Score: 2, Informative

      Calcium ions trigger thrombosis, blood clotting and calcium chloride is an excellent source of calcium ions, probably the best; burns like hell in a cut too. They use a product called "quickstop" in pet grooming shops to stop toenails from bleeding when the quick is cut; a toenail will bleed for what seems like forever without it. Quickstop is a styptic made from ferric and calcium chlorides.

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    6. Re:nano technology? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      Maybe.

      I use a product called Surround (tm) that is finely ground kaolin to keep bugs off plants like apple trees and roses. Word is that some apple farmers used regular kaolin that wasn't properly processed and they killed their trees. So, size does matter.

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  15. Clotting for non-clotters? by gruvmeister · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Being that kaolin clay binds with water and causes clotting, does this mean that this stuff will work on people who have clotting issues, such as those on blood thinning medications or hemophiliacs?

    1. Re:Clotting for non-clotters? by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      Both quikclot and celox will work for people with heparinized blood or other anti-clotting factors. The clot is formed by the agent and not the blood's own fibrins. I'm sure this new product works in much the same way.

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    2. Re:Clotting for non-clotters? by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 1
      Being that kaolin clay binds with water and causes clotting, does this mean that this stuff will work on people who have clotting issues, such as those on blood thinning medications or hemophiliacs?

      Short answer: No.

      Longer answer: People with clotting issues are lacking in some of the components tha tmake clots, such as the platelets, or the proteins that turn into the fibrous strands, or the components that control the clotting reaction. All the kaolin does is accelerate normal clotting - there are other small particles that will work, such as the spores from certain mushrooms.

    3. Re:Clotting for non-clotters? by Lucidus · · Score: 1

      So we've got one yes and one no. Best out of three, anyone?

    4. Re:Clotting for non-clotters? by Wavebreak · · Score: 1

      Mu.

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  16. Commercial? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

    Is it just me, or did that seem like an advertisement for a company and their product, moreso than there being anything of substance? It isn't like this is groundbreaking chemistry either.

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    1. Re:Commercial? by gruvmeister · · Score: 1

      Not really groundbreaking chemistry, but nonetheless a good development in medical technology. I found it to be a good little bit of information about something I had never heard of before. It's actually a piece of good news - enjoy it while you can before the next global warming bitchfest starts up after someone posts an article about hurricanes or something.

  17. Combine with liquid bandages? by RJFerret · · Score: 1

    Now suspend it in a spray with liquid bandages and parents everywhere rejoice!

  18. Cheaper Chinese version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cat litter and gauze.

  19. Conditioning. by mutube · · Score: 1

    I get areas of nasty dried skin on my feet and will happily set about cutting them off. Inevitably I cut too deep and bleed a little. Everywhere. First time I thought "oh crap"... but 100th or so time performing minor surgery, I don't give a shit.

    Mind you, despite 3 years practise the missus still gets in a tizz as I sit stemming the bleed with tissue paper and/or superglue. Mostly because I'm making a mess on the carpet (I don't want to think about the row I'd get if I bled to death on the nice rugs).

    1. Re:Conditioning. by JerkBoB · · Score: 1

      I get areas of nasty dried skin on my feet and will happily set about cutting them off.

      Jeezus. First of all, that's called a callus. Second of all, why the hell are you cutting them off? Just use a pumice stone to abrade them off. No blood, you can do it in the shower. No muss, no fuss.

      Finally, unless you're a girly-man, you WANT calluses. They let the chicks know you're tough. Or something. Alright, calluses on feet are gross.

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  20. I use Celox already by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 3, Informative

    The last time I was deployed in Iraq, we were all issued Quikclot packs in our trauma bags; I'm sure that if I needed to use it, it would have worked fine. However, Quikclot causes pretty severe burns and pain when it's used; in addition, the hard 'clot' that is formed is a PITA for surgeons to remove.

    In my personal trauma kit here at home, I use Celox:

    http://www.celoxmedical.com/

    It is chitosan-based but claims to not affect people with seafood-based allergies. It produces no heat and is removed easily by water irrigation. I am curious why the DoD has not moved towards this product; you can get the celox-infused gauze that works much the same as this kaolin-based product already. If any of you are EMTs or just interested in having a good hemostatic agent in your kit, you should look into Celox. When everything else is equal, the disadvantages of Quikclot make Celox the clear winner.

    -b

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    1. Re:I use Celox already by gruvmeister · · Score: 1

      The last time I was deployed in Iraq, we were all issued Quikclot packs in our trauma bags; I'm sure that if I needed to use it, it would have worked fine. However, Quikclot causes pretty severe burns and pain when it's used; in addition, the hard 'clot' that is formed is a PITA for surgeons to remove.
      The article states that this is a new 'version' of Quikclot, one that does not cause the skin burning when applied. Also, from what I'm reading about the Celox you linked, I gather that it is like the original Quikclot - powder kits that are dumped on a wound and then covered with a bandage - am I correct in this?

      It seems that the main appeal of the new Quikclot, aside from the non-burning, is that the clotting agent is integrated directly into the gauze pad. You just tear open the package and slap on the gauze.

      However, nowhere does it talk about removal of the clot that is formed after proper medical treatment is obtained. Hopefully, since the agent is part of the pad, most of the hard clay clot stays with the pad once it is removed from the wound. Sounds like something to keep an ear open about.
    2. Re:I use Celox already by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      >>I gather that it is like the original Quikclot - powder kits that are dumped on a wound and then covered with a bandage - am I correct in this?

      You are correct; however, the similarity ends there. Quikclot is made fine mineral dust and Celox is based on a water-soluble, organic polymer.

      >>It seems that the main appeal of the new Quikclot, aside from the non-burning, is that the clotting agent is integrated directly into the gauze pad.

      Well, we've had Quikclot bandages for quite some time now- I remember seeing them in the Brigade Quartermaster catalog at least 2 or 3 years ago. This new product is based on a new mineral altogether, one that apparently doesn't burn. Which is good.

      >>Hopefully, since the agent is part of the pad, most of the hard clay clot stays with the pad once it is removed from the wound.

      Unfortunately, the bandage becomes part of the clot. Since the clotting agent is really just sort of like sprinkling saw dust on puke (same principle), the agent must be in close contact with the site of the bleeding. This is why I prefer celox- it forms a clot the consistency of thick snot, and that can be washed away without causing additional damage to the site. Quikclot and its derivatives, while they do save lives, also cause damage to the site on application and removal.

      >>Sounds like something to keep an ear open about.

      Yes, when medics buy Celox or alternatives with their own money rather than use quikclot, you know there will be intense interest in new clotting agents. I hope this one lives up to the hype.

      -b

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  21. The bigger news here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the bigger news here, is that it was created by robot chemists!

  22. A grain of nano calcium chloride? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would you want to take something with a grain of lime?

    1. Re:A grain of nano calcium chloride? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to take something with a grain of lime?

      There are plenty of Brits around here - they're the ones who keep reminding us that Slashdot isn't just for Americans.

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    2. Re:A grain of nano calcium chloride? by chaostheory635 · · Score: 1

      a nano-tequila shot, maybe?

  23. Neurosurgeons basically melon ball the brain out by spineboy · · Score: 1

    Yeah, the can dissect out some tiny vessels, but when you have a tumor, that's what you get.

    Liver surgeons, and orthopods ( bone docs like me) would really like this.

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  24. Buckaroo Banzai by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    "Don't tug on that, you never know what it might be attached to."

    --Buckaroo Banzai to assisting doctor, while performing neurosurgery.

    1. Re:Buckaroo Banzai by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I'm very attached to my brain you insensitive clod!

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  25. This is why vegetarians are important by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2, Funny
    This is why vegetarians are important.

    ... they taste better when you eat them. :-)

  26. No need for this. QuickClot works fine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    QuikClot works great. I have seen it used on soldiers with severe wounds in Iraq. Yeah, it can be painful, but its job is to save lives. You are already in pain from whatever trauma caused the amputation/sever bleeding, IED/EFP, AK47 round, etc... The last thing that has been on someones mind is that this stuff hurts.

  27. They now issue HemCon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This deployment (I'm still here as of Apr08) they issue HemCon. Their site is this http://www.hemcon.com/productstechnology/hemconbandageoverview.aspx

    Says there they got rid of the whole burn causing issue.