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Second Galileo Test Satellite Now in Orbit

Simon (S2) writes to mention that Europe's second Galileo navigation satellite reached orbit this past weekend. Galileo is promising to offer several technological advances in comparison to the US-based GPS system but no longer promises to be a guaranteed service. "The Galileo programme now seems certain to go ahead, after a prolonged and painful shift from partly-private financing of the construction to public funds taken from unspent EU farm subsidies. This money would normally have been returned to donor nations, with the UK, Germany and the Netherlands as the biggest three. London MPs have expressed doubt as to whether the UK will receive value for the money it will pay, but have acknowledged that the British government doesn't actually have any choice about Galileo under EU funding rules."

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  1. Two?!!? by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow! They are up to two satellites? Does this mean I can tell which hemisphere I'm on?

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    1. Re:Two?!!? by mangamuscle · · Score: 4, Funny

      It all depends, if you are an US Citizen it would be a moot point since you would not recognize any geographical location outside your backyard.

    2. Re:Two?!!? by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Funny

      It all depends, if you are an US Citizen it would be a moot point since you would not recognize any geographical location outside your backyard. My backyard? You mean Canada?
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    3. Re:Two?!!? by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 4, Funny

      You are misinformed. The galileo satellites are the first of a new breed of reverse GPS. Using your known location on earth, the satellite(s) triangulate THEIR location and consult an on-board map of turn-by-turn directions so that they can find nearby gas stations, restaurants, and space stations. It's the first step in establishing a network of McDonalds in orbit, a necessity before space colonization can begin.

    4. Re:Two?!!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      It all depends, if you are an US Citizen it would be a moot point since you would not recognize any geographical location outside your backyard. My backyard? You mean Canada?

      Nope. Canada is our front yard, with well trimmed grass and a white picket fence; the back yard, where the septic tank and broken down cars are located is in the other direction./p.

    5. Re:Two?!!? by pjt33 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Texas?

  2. London MPs? by MythMoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why London's MPs? What's so special about them?

    There are 645 MPs in the UK, of which only 74 are in London. Quite why they should be supposed to have some special insight into Galileo or farming subsidies is beyond me.

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  3. Re:Galileo? by snowraver1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Galileo is intended to provide more precise measurements to all users than available through GPS or GLONASS, better positioning services at high latitudes and an independent positioning system upon which European nations can rely even in times of war or political disagreement.

    The last part is less of an issue now...

    A reason given for Galileo as an independent system was that, though GPS is now widely used worldwide for civilian applications, it is a military system which as recently as 2000 had Selective Availability (SA) that could be enabled in particular areas of coverage during times of war, and therefore Galileo's proponents argue that civil infrastructure, including aeroplane navigation and landing, should not rely solely upon GPS. On May 1, 2000, the President of the United States signed an order disabling SA, and in late 2001, the entity managing GPS confirmed that the intent is to never re-enable selective availability.[14]. Though Selective Availability still exists, on September 19 2007, the US Department of Defense announced that they would not procure any more satellites capable of implementing Selective Availability.[15] This means the next wave of Block IIF satellites launching in 2009 will no longer support SA. As older satellites are deorbited and replaced, as part of the GPS Modernization program, SA will cease to exist. The modernization program also contains standardized features that allow GPS III and Galileo systems to inter-operate, allowing a new receiver to utilize both systems to improve accuracy.

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  4. Re:Wow, time for some EU dissolution... by Anspen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And it while we're at it, lets give the great city of Bristol the power to take back the money for projects *they* don't think are a good idea.

    Generally when having a overall budget you do not give the constituent parts the ability to pick and choose. The Galileo project is part of the overall EU budget, therefore the UK doesn't get to second guess the distribution. (never mind that the UK pays far to little into the budget anyway).

  5. Re:I find this so laughable... by jbeaupre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The original post was a mess. But subsidies in richer nations do lead to poverty and starvation elsewhere. By subsidizing grain production, prices have been artificially low for many years. This means poor farmers can't compete and stop producing as much. The added imports is a drain to those countries' economies. If there is any disruption to the supply of grain, either through famine, currency problems, or prices jumping on the imported grain, the local population suffers.

    Had grain prices gone up slowly, it would have been a good thing. It was the sudden shift to ethanol plus crop problems in several world breadbaskets that pushed up prices. If sufficient grain had been grown locally, it wouldn't be as much a problem (maybe even a plus if they could export and get hard currency for it).

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  6. Re:Galileo? by jeremyp · · Score: 5, Informative

    Galileo is a GPS. The US military system that everybody refers to incorrectly as "the GPS" is really called Navstar.

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