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Cuba Lifts Ban on Home Computers

ianare writes "The first legalized home computers have gone on sale in Cuba, the latest in a series of restrictions on daily life which President Raul Castro has lifted in recent weeks. The desktop computers cost almost $800, in a country where the average wage is under $20 a month, but some Cubans do have access to extra income. Internet access remains restricted to certain workplaces, schools and universities on the island which the government claims is due to low bandwidth availability. Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez is laying a new cable under the Caribbean, but it remains unclear whether once the connection is completed, the authorities will allow unrestricted access to the internet."

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  1. This is not news... by isilrion · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm a Cuban. This happened more than a month ago. And we are very happy that someone finally came to his senses about it.

    What's new, though, is that [startin soon], they are going to be sold without operating systems... No more windows pre-installed. Or so I've heard. Now we only need tons of Ubuntu disks to give away at the sotre.

    1. Re:This is not news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      This happened more than a month ago. I guess they haven't worked out the latency issue yet.
    2. Re:This is not news... by mrbluze · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No more windows pre-installed. Or so I've heard. Now we only need tons of Ubuntu disks to give away at the sotre. Wow, talk about being behind and ahead at the same time! Do they have a ban on the eeepc and other less-than-$800 computers? And any way it doesn't have to be $800 - surely there is a market for importing old hardware?
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    3. Re:This is not news... by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Funny

      At $800 for a new PC, I think that Cubans are going to resort to doing what they did with cars; taking pre-revolution ones and keeping them going for 40-50 years.

      Unfortunately, I think they'll have trouble getting the valves/tubes for those old 1950s models, and they probably won't be of a high enough spec to run the latest malware.

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    4. Re:This is not news... by chakmol · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm a Cuban. This happened more than a month ago. And we are very happy that someone finally came to his senses about it.
      What's new, though, is that [startin soon], they are going to be sold without operating systems... No more windows pre-installed. Or so I've heard. Now we only need tons of Ubuntu disks to give away at the sotre.

      I was over there in 2005, and visited a few folks who already had computers at home, but good to hear it's now legal. In a couple of net cafes I visited in Havana, all the computers had the KDE desktop, but I didn't get a chance to see what was running under it.

      Many Cubans access e-mail and net at the post office, Correos de Cuba, and the lines were usually long.

      These were just some observations while there.
    5. Re:This is not news... by explosivejared · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just because it costs less than 800 dollars in the rest of the world doesn't mean that it will be that cheap inside the country. Any market for importing old hardware is likely to be a black market, so the prices will be steep. It's the right step to allow personal computers in Cuba, but the majority of the people are a long way from it making any difference at all.

      Just an idea, since my US government is all about supporting an open and free Cuba, it might not be bad idea to lead some sort of initiative to proliferate computers to the people. I know the government might frown upon something like this, but it would give America the moral high ground, which is something neither side has been worthy of so far.

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    6. Re:This is not news... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      just to be stolen and sold as soon as they arrive to the country, as happens with every single truck that goes to Africa

      Either share your wealth with us, or we'll share our poverty with you.

      It applies to more than just 1st vs 3rd world.

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    7. Re:This is not news... by Karem+Lore · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'd be surprised at how resourceful Cuban people are...I am amazed at how they make some of those old cars still work with no parts available...

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    8. Re:This is not news... by dotancohen · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ease up with the slurs against the US. I didn't mean it that way. I meant that from Cuba's point of view, they will not be dependent on a US corporation.
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    9. Re:This is not news... by dotancohen · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah kuz Canonical is a real pure communist outfit too. And those evil US corporations have never ever made any contributions to Linux. In fact... has Cuba ever made any contributions to Free Software of note? For that matter, what about Iran and North Korea, they hate America even more.. so why aren't they the world leaders in free software? From Cuba's point of view, their only option of not using a US company for their OS is Linux. It is very much a political, and an independence issue, for Cuba, not for me. I personally have nothing against the US.
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    10. Re:This is not news... by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Morals are relative.

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    11. Re:This is not news... by krakass · · Score: 2, Funny

      America certainly has no morales anyway, their treatment of Cuba over the past 50 years has been disgusting!! War on terror, what the fuck are they doing in Cuba......Scumbags!! Wake up and stop listening to your bullshit controlled media. Well the government is working on immigration reform
    12. Re:This is not news... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just an idea, since my US government is all about supporting an open and free Cuba, it might not be bad idea to lead some sort of initiative to proliferate computers to the people. I know the government might frown upon something like this, but it would give America the moral high ground, which is something neither side has been worthy of so far. Sorry, but your government is all about supporting a decades old grudge and nothing else - your government deals with and indeed in some cases support regimes far worse than Cuba.

      There is no reason any import market has to be a black market, Cuba is free to trade with the rest of the world, including Europe, and as such has an open market to exploit.
    13. Re:This is not news... by jbengt · · Score: 3, Funny

      America certainly has no morales anyway
      What does the president of Bolivia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales/ have to do with computers in Cuba?
    14. Re:This is not news... by torstenvl · · Score: 4, Informative

      MS is not a US corporation any more than it is a European, African, East Asian or Indian.

      Microsoft is absolutely a U.S. corporation. I don't know where you're getting your information from.

      Microsoft is a Washington corporation[1], incorporated under Washington law[2]. Its registered office, pursuant to Washington state law[3], is at 920 Fourth Avenue, Suite 2900, Seattle, Washington[4].

      While Microsoft may have subsidiary and/or partner corporations in other countries, there is no doubt whatsoever that the "real Microsoft" is an American corporation, based in America, run by a board of American businessmen and an American Chief Executive officer, responsible to a largely American base of stockholders. Any contention otherwise is surely a joke.

      [1] Washington Secretary of State, Corporations: Registration Data Search: Microsoft Corporation, http://www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=600413485.
      [2] Wash. Stat. s 23B.01.010 et seq., available at http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?Cite=23B.
      [3] Wash. Stat. s 23B.05.010(1), available at http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=23B.05.010 (requiring that "[e]ach corporation [under this Title] must continuously maintain in this state ... [a] registered office that may be the same as any of its places of business").
      [4] Microsoft, Articles of Incorporation, available at http://www.microsoft.com/about/companyinformation/corporategovernance/articlesincorp.mspx
    15. Re:This is not news... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      .I am amazed at how they make some of those old cars still work with no parts available...

      Do you realize that is a sign of how far your country has fallen? It was when people said that of your people that your country was great. Now, you rely on exploitative economics and war where once you relied on yourselves, and marvel that a people could take care of themselves.

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    16. Re:This is not news... by Dirtside · · Score: 5, Informative

      Editing posts in a forum like this is a bad idea. It means you can post something, wait for a response to criticize you, and then alter your original post to make it look like the replier's an idiot. Perhaps having an edit history log available would mitigate that, except it'd be hard for people to mentally keep track of which version of the post existed at a given time, and know what was being replied to.

      In practice, it means that the discussion is a *discussion*, so you can see everything everyone said, instead of letting things get changed and redacted later on. All things considered, not being able to edit is a good thing.

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    17. Re:This is not news... by calebt3 · · Score: 2, Informative
    18. Re:This is not news... by turgid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You'd be surprised at how resourceful Cuban people are...I am amazed at how they make some of those old cars still work with no parts available...

      I'm Scottish. My grandfather had a lathe, a welding set, a bandsaw, a circular saw, various soldering irons, dies and taps etc. Parts for engines were made now and then, weights for fishing etc.

      My father has it all now.

      I dare say it'll be mine one day too, but I haven't a clue how to use any of it.

    19. Re:This is not news... by smoker2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You don't have to be Cuban to be resourceful.
      The clutch actuating rod broke on my motor home while I was in the Welsh mountains once. A visit to the local Ford dealer revealed that they no longer made the part, and scrap yards were a waste of time.
      So after buying a portable gas torch, a few brazing rods, a hacksaw and a bolt, I was able to braze the bolt to the end of the broken rod and fix the problem immediately. It was the strongest part of the van after that.
      Also, because initially I had to get from the mountains to the town where the shop was, I got the clutch working by stealing about 4 feet of wire from a fence, and winding it back and forth between the pedal lever and the clutch release arm. This I then tightened up using a screwdriver between the strands which was kept from unwinding by being wedged against the vans body. That worked for 3 days before I got to do the permanent repair.
      It's not hard to do these things, just takes a little bit of application.
      BTW, I consider this hacking in one of its truest forms.

    20. Re:This is not news... by MrSteveSD · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is no reason any import market has to be a black market, Cuba is free to trade with the rest of the world

      The US has tried to threaten companies that if they deal with Cuba, they can't operate within the US. The EU got very angry over the issue. Whether the US managed to frighten companies off, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised though.

      As for the "decades old grudge", yes, it is a grudge. When Castro ousted the US-backed Batista, the US lost control, and US Policy towards Cuba has been about control right from the beginning. A condition of the US troops withdrawing from Cuba in 1901 was that they sign the Platt Amendment, which gave the US all sorts of powers over Cuba. It was very much a Godfather-style "offer you can't refuse". Although the Platt Amendment was repealed in 1934, the US kept one of the clauses which was the Naval base at Guantanamo. According to the Platt Amendment clause, it can only be removed with the consent of both parties, which is completely ridiculous.
    21. Re:This is not news... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Persian or Afghani" ? You mean indo-European ? Those are countries, not ethnic groups. You cannot recognize an Afghan from a Dutch, except for language and predisposition to blowing himself up (oh sorry it's called "religion") Actually, ethnic group does apply. The base of the word ethnic is the Greek word ethnos, meaning nation. Now, as to whether the term "ethnic group" has any useful meaning is a matter of debate. Personally, I think that when the members of the ethnic group generally self identify themselves as members of the ethnic group, the term has some use.
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    22. Re:This is not news... by servognome · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry, but your government is all about supporting a decades old grudge and nothing else - your government deals with and indeed in some cases support regimes far worse than Cuba
      Not even that, I'm sure there are many American entrepreneurs who lobby to trade with Cuba. Problem is there is a vocal Cuban community in the key election state of Florida that is strongly against dealing with Castro. Most people in the US don't have a strong opinion on the subject, so you end up with politicians catering to a vocal minority to keep votes.
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    23. Re:This is not news... by earthforce_1 · · Score: 2, Insightful


      There was a funny incident in Canada, I think it was related to the Helms/Burton act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helms-Burton_Act where the Canadian Wal-Mart stores were found to be selling Cuban made clothing, and the US government ordered them to stop. So they (briefly) stopped. Canadian newspapers found out and it was turned into a big sovereignty flap on this side of the border. The Canadian government then forbade any company operating on Canadian soil from obeying the embargo, and Wal-Mart's Cuban made clothing returned.

      Funny how little things get turned into a government p*ssing contest - wars have started over stupid crap like this.

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    24. Re:This is not news... by c_forq · · Score: 2, Informative

      The U.S. government doesn't kill dissidents, it imprisons them.

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    25. Re:This is not news... by dotancohen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can legally burn as many as you want. Somebody should seriously start distributing joints under the GPL.
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    26. Re:This is not news... by MrSteveSD · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Canadian government then forbade any company operating on Canadian soil from obeying the embargo

      The EU did pretty much the same thing, but it's sure to have frightened away some companies. Saudi Arabia makes Cuba look like a model free society, yet the oppressive regime there is supported by the US. The US stance against Cuba has nothing to do with freedom or democracy. Indeed the history of US policy in the region has been one of deterring democracy, not promoting it.

      The US wants cooperative governments that are friendly to US business interests. The current government of Venezuela fails both those tests, so despite being a democracy, the US is trying to undermine it and there was of course the coup attempt in 2002 as well. Such a coup attempt is far easier to organise in an open society like Venezuela than in Cuba, which is probably one of the reasons Cuba has been closed up so tight for so long.

      The US is also trying to undermine the current Bolivian government for much the same reason. The US government far preferred the previous business friendly regime, despite the massacres perpetrated against the Bolivian people.
    27. Re:This is not news... by clifyt · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I got the clutch working by stealing about 4 feet of wire from a fence, and winding it back and forth between the pedal lever and the clutch release arm."

      Hell...I did something similar with my last car...the part was $300 from Saturn, and I was like BULLSHIT because it was a tiny piece of the part that broke. Ended up drilling two holes, grabbing some wire (this is where you caught me...I had fencing wire in my garage...nice heavy gauge) and wove it between the two pieces. I kept it that way until I bought my new car and the gears never seemed so smooth before this hack.

      Unfortunately, when I traded it in, I thought I better tell the mechanic -- they gave me all of $500 for trade-in value because it was held together with duct tape and wire. Should not have said anything at all...

    28. Re:This is not news... by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 2, Funny

      The fact that we don't need to rely on ourselves, the fact that we have other people do our dirty work for us, that makes us Superior.

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    29. Re:This is not news... by freyyr890 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Persian or Afghani" ? You mean indo-European ? Those are countries, not ethnic groups. You cannot recognize an Afghan from a Dutch, except for language and predisposition to blowing himself up (oh sorry it's called "religion")

      This kind of ignorance about Islam really sickens me. Have you even read the Qur'an? Or Islamic history? You can't take the actions of a few ultra-radical fundamentalists as a mark of the religion as a whole.
    30. Re:This is not news... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it makes you inferior. It makes you mewling dependents who can't care for yourselves, like babies with nukes. It makes your desperate grasping for dominion understandable, in a pathetic sort of way. Unfortunately, it doesn't make it excusable, or sustainable. There is a lot of hardship and death in your future. Fortunately.

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  2. Censorship or bandwidth problem? by stm2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    According to Cuban supporters, there is no restriction to visit websites, the real problem is that the whole country have a very limited bandwidth so most pages doesn't load at all. And this limitation is thanks to the US who put a ban on export of goods and services to Cuba.
    The main problem I see is that they are using mostly unlicensed copy of windows, since Windows licenses can't be acquired in Cuba.

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    1. Re:Censorship or bandwidth problem? by jimicus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The main problem I see is that they are using mostly unlicensed copy of windows, since Windows licenses can't be acquired in Cuba. How's that a problem? Cuba's a classic example of the kind of place where Microsoft would far rather people pirate Windows than use Ubuntu legitimately - get 'em hooked then tighten the anti-piracy screws later.
    2. Re:Censorship or bandwidth problem? by Ogi_UnixNut · · Score: 2, Informative

      From a quick look on Google maps, it would seem that the distance between Cuba and nearest American soil (Key West) is slightly under 200km.

      It would be possible to string up a wireless link, indeed the current record is 238 miles (383km - link ), so it is possible.

      I think the bigger issue is the legality of doing this. The embargo on Cuba does not only apply to the governments, but to citizens of both countries. You setting up a wifi link is a violation of that embargo, and could get you in serious trouble.

    3. Re:Censorship or bandwidth problem? by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The main problem I see is that they are using mostly unlicensed copy of windows How is that a problem? I have never used a licensed copy of windows.
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  3. Bandwidth and freedom by canuck57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The main problem I see is that they are using mostly unlicensed copy of windows, since Windows licenses can't be acquired in Cuba.

    Hey, how come Cubans can order PCs and not have to pay for Windows? Heck, they are already once step ahead of us.

    If the US was smart, strike and agreement with Cuba, given them decent pipe access via Florida so long as they put 1 million uncensored PCs on it in say 2-3 years. That will reach 1 in 11 Cubans. Free flow of information is a true friend of democracy.

    1. Re:Bandwidth and freedom by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Keeping Cuba locked down is critical to our ideological bullshit. Maintaining the embargo encourages others to do so, which depresses Cuba and causes them to be less successful, which we get to blame on ideology and use as a reason why we must go on a holy war to spread Democracy throughout the world (perhaps we should start here first, eh?) We don't actually want Democracy in Cuba, or we WOULD HAVE opened up to them. The real issue is that our government fears free speech. Cubans can actually get health care...

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    2. Re:Bandwidth and freedom by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would that ideological bullshit include free speech? Cuba isn't "critical" to anything anymore. It's a vestige of the cold war. The last time they were critical was in the 60's when Kruschev tried to deploy nukes there.

      Cuba is not militarily strategically critical, it is ideologically strategically critical. I thought I had made that clear, but perhaps I should have said it three times so it would sink in.

      You want a change? Vote.

      Uh, perhaps you didn't notice, but Bush actually never got enough votes to be president. There were more than enough uncounted votes in each case which, if tradition would be borne out, would have decided both elections (well, there would never have been a second one) for Gore. Voting is about as effective as jerking off - it can be fun, and it can make you feel good, but it's no kind of solution to your problems.

      Actually, we wanted to stop giving support to a double-crossing, backstabbing dictator. I wish we would do that with some of our other "friends" around the globe.

      First, we'd have to start with our own administration(s).

      Riiigght ... which is why you have the freedom to air your opinion here without fear of retribution in the form of jackbooted government thugs kicking in your door and hauling you away for publishing "subversive propaganda".

      Please explain what the big new empty prison in Alaska is for.

      Prescott Bush was a major contributor to the SS, today we are preparing for the new Third Reich to spring forth from America. The concentration camps are already being constructed all over the nation.

      Just cover your eyes, ears, and mouth all at once!

      Cubans can actually get health care... Riiigght ... that must be why so many Americans die every year trying to cross over to Cuba in overloaded, leaky boats.

      I didn't suggest that everything was rosy in Cuba, although I am suggesting that things would be better there than they are here if we weren't crapping them up.

      American culture is entirely dependent on people who either do not know or do not care at all about what they are doing to the rest of the world. Our culture is entirely dysfunctional and is falling apart at all the seams. Mental illness is on the rise and it's not just because head shrinkers are nutballs who think everyone is as crazy as they are; things are getting crazier all the time.

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    3. Re:Bandwidth and freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If they have a MRI, it is probably booked up for the elite. Do you think some farmer is getting top of the line treatment? And this differs from the US how, exactly?

      Farmers in the US have to pay for their own health insurance, which may not actually cover the tests they need. Trust me on this. I've gotten socked for $2000 for a test DESPITE having health insurance and DESPITE it being supposedly covered. Why? I don't know, but the insurance company sure as hell wouldn't pay.

      There's nothing quite like having a sudden unbudgeted $2000 expense. It's one of the reason my credit card is maxed out.

      Then you have to realize that quite a few people in the US simply can't get health insurance. Due to insurance companies refusing to pay for care for "preexisting conditions" it's quite easy for some in the US to be unable to pay for treatment because they simply cannot get affordable health insurance.

      You know who ends up paying in the long run? We do. Because the person with no insurance, who can't get insurance at reasonable rates, will eventually wind up in the emergency room. And the emergency room, by law, can't refuse patients. When they STILL can't pay, every one else has to pay via increased medical costs.

      Try actually getting sick in the US before declaring the US system the best ever. You'll change your tune quite quickly. I'll take long waits over simply being refused treatment.
    4. Re:Bandwidth and freedom by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First, Cubans are not educated about democracy Are americans taught about marxism? Not as much as they are taught about american history and patriotism, both countries are indoctrinated, not quite as blatently as the Chinese "patriot re-education act", but pretending americans arnt indoctrinated is pretty dumb.

      Second issue, wages. Do you want Cuban wages? It is part of the package. Government excise taxes on exports prohibit paying you more. Thats thier economic system completly unrelated to free speach, much more related to this big country next door to them spending 50 years trying to crush them.

      and I bet by American standards you would not want their health care. If they have a MRI, it is probably booked up for the elite. Do you think some farmer is getting top of the line treatment? Please get a clue, sure they dont have MRI, but the result of there efforts is pretty much the same as yours, but dont take my word for it, both BBC newsnight (image a faux report but without the bullshit)The report noted that:

      "Thanks chiefly to the American economic blockade, but partly also to the web of strange rules and regulations that constrict Cuban life, the economy is in a terrible mess: national income per head is minuscule, and resources are amazingly tight. Healthcare, however, is a top national priority" The report stated that life expectancy and infant mortality rates are pretty much the same as the USA's. Its doctor-to-patient ratios stand comparison to any country in Western Europe. Its annual total health spend per head, however, comes in at $251; just over a tenth of the UK's. So after the american 50 year blockade, they have the same success rate in staying alive (thats the key factor in health care btw), but everything is run to shit, so its all done for just $251 per person.

      and a UK parliamentary commitee, went over and made a similar report:

      * There appeared to be little evidence of a divide between the prevention/proactive response and the disease management/reactive response within Cuban healthcare.
              * In Cuba it was one doctor per 175 people, in the UK the figure was one doctor per 600 people.
              * There is a commitment in Cuba to the triple diagnosis (physical/psychological/social) at all levels.
              * Extensive involvement of "patient" and the public in decision making at all levels.
              * Integration of hospital/community/primary care via polyclinics.
              * Team-work that works is much more evident both in the community and the hospital sector and the mental-health and care of the elderly sites visited were very well staffed and supported. Ofc it does have flaws

      # Low pay of doctors
      # Poor facilitiesâ"buildings in poor state of repair and mostly outdated.
      # Poor provision of equipment.
      # Frequent absence of essential drugs.
      # Concern regarding freedom of choice both for patient and doctor. But overall it is as good if not better than the US healthcare system. Sure measure stuff in waiting lines and America might look good, but measure any real factors, $ per head, life expectancy, etc and America is no better than many places and much worse than Europe.
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  4. Their "claim" is correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cuba has multiple satellite uplinks which are capable of internet traffic, though it's *very* expensive, and as anyone whos ever tried to use satellite connections knows, it can be slow as hell. Couple with that the single T-3 (probably still channelized---demuxers are evidently "sensitive" equipment), and yeah, there are some major bandwidth issues. So settle down and lose the McCarthy bullshit, thanks.

  5. Re:Offer them free I2/NLR connectivity! by Splab · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You of course are aware that Cuba has way better medical care for its citizens than the US does?

    Think they'll like to pass on getting US style medical.

  6. American business/citizens to get in trouble? by sjwest · · Score: 2, Funny

    I imagine that there will be copies of Microsoft windows on pc's, and the dvd's will have a fee paid to hollywood licensing body at the mpiaa. Will Steve Balmer find himself in American prison for selling to Cuba ? Since no doubt some of this money comes from outside Cuba, are not the citizens of America helping propping up Fidel and his cronies. Will the bank records be used to hunt down these people. The US Treasury should be vigilant and like it did with the cuban inspired domain names enforce the laws to stop trade with Cuba (and covered here on Slashdot). Theres also the patent aspects, somebody in Cuba must be in breach of some us pto patents.

    1. Re:American business/citizens to get in trouble? by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you sold me a loaf of bread and I sold it to Cuba, would you be culpable?

      Why would you think that software would be any different? If Microsoft was involved in setting up intermediaries to deliver software to Cuba and it happened at the board level Balmer might get some heat for it, but he can't do a whole lot to stop a distributor in Mexico from shipping stuff to Cuba.

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    2. Re:American business/citizens to get in trouble? by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And yet there isn't a whole lot Microsoft can do to stop a distributor in Mexico from shipping the boxes to Cuba. If Microsoft honored the license they would be in violation of the law, but I don't see how the mere presence of the software in Cuba is automagically their responsibility.

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  7. Re:Offer them free I2/NLR connectivity! by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They don't have better care. Somewhat ironically, they have more democratic care, but that's about average availability, not level of quality.

    The US probably even delivers more care per person on average, it just gets concentrated more.

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  8. It's called a satellite uplink by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would be possible to string up a wireless link, indeed the current record is 238 miles (383km - link ), so it is possible. Maybe for 802.11*. But people routinely bounce signals off a radio repeater placed 35,000 km off the ground.

    I think the bigger issue is the legality of doing this. The embargo on Cuba does not only apply to the governments, but to citizens of both countries. You setting up a wifi link is a violation of that embargo, and could get you in serious trouble. Is the United States of America the only country in the western hemisphere with satellites? Might some Spanish- or even Portuguese-speaking country be more willing to help out
  9. Cuban here... Censorship? by isilrion · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would say, both parts are true. Cuban bandwdith is severely limited, thus, it is obviuous that certain key areas are prioritized (oddly enough, universities aren't - we have a 1mbs for 10 thousand users at mine).

    On the other hand, that doesn't explain why don't we have conectivity even within our countries (it is faster to download Debian from the internet that it is to download it from the cuban mirrors). There is even one law to address this issue, that has been largely ignored except on the part of giving monopoly-like powers to our phone company. And it even seem they find cheaper to use satellite to connect two places within the city, than to lay a couple hundred metters of fiber to the nearest hub.

    With that, though, I'm willing to call (the ministry of informatics and communications, the phone company, whatever), ignorant rather than evil. I do accept that the reason for that is technical (that we are forbidden to hook to the fiber optics that go around my country). But, there is censorship. Over time, I've collected a set of domains that seem to be banned. No one never confirms it, and the banning works as if the remote server was not working, but routing the request through a proxy server, you find out that it is indeed working. And more recently, we got this other law, that was publicly mentioned by this guy, and forbids chats, formus and mailing lists.

    So, we have everything. We have serious technical difficulties caused by the US (internet access). We have serious technical difficulties caused by who-knows-who (intranet access). And, we have censorship. I have high hopes that if the first one is solved, the rest will follow. However, for the sake of my country and our socialism... I do wish that the last two are solved first.

  10. They Can Have Vista! by FurtiveGlancer · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd be happy to send them every copy of Vista that I own, but that might scare them back into severe isolation.

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  11. Re:how this works for the Empire by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Basically, the American restrictions on Cuba are total bullshit, and the rest of the world knows it. however, due to longstanding imperialist policies (like the Monroe doctrine) Cuba falls under the geographic hegemony of the USA. This was challenged by the CCCP from 1959 - 1991. When the Russians collapsed, Cuba had some "special times", like super special shitty times, that the draconian and retarded embargo by the USA only enhanced.


    There are no American restrictions on Cubans. The American restrictions are on Americans (with a few even more bullshit extensions attempting to extend the embargo to non-American companies who deal with Americans; even Canada won't put up with that shit) . And calling an embargo "imperialist" is pretty rich... what would you call it if the US had normal relations with Cuba and there was a Starbucks and a McDonalds on every corner in Havana? Oh, right... you'd call it "cultural imperialism" or something similar.

  12. Re:Offer them free I2/NLR connectivity! by cybrchld · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are sadly misinformed. i have relatives in Cuba an the medical care there is very bad. yes the doctors and free but there is no medicine or supply's to help the public, my nice had a baby just recently and we had to actually provide all the sutures and thread to close her c section, not to mention when your taken to a hospital you need to bring your own sheets towels Etc. the only ones that get quality and cheap treatment are foreigners which pay. By far the worst care here is 10x better than what they have there.

    Stop believing the Lies a few socialist nut jobs are perpetrating.

  13. Re:Offer them free I2/NLR connectivity! by 0111+1110 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Their facilities and services for foreigners is among the best in the world More bullshit from someone who has never even been to Cuba let alone used their medical care for foreigners. Where do you people come up with this stuff? I used to live there. It is not true. Their medical care, even for foreigners is about what you would expect from some poor country in Central Africa. I wish they would at least stop reusing needles.
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    Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
  14. Chavez is laying a new cable under the Caribbean by g0at · · Score: 2, Funny

    Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez is laying a new cable under the Caribbean Mr. Chavez is doing this himself, personally? Wow. That's worthy of international applause. I can't see either of our North American heads of state dirtying their hands to dig cable trench across a local field, let alone beneath an entire sea!