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It's Not a Flying Car - It's a Drivable Airplane

waderoush writes "Aviation enthusiasts have been dreaming of flying cars since the 1940s. But in an old machine shop in Woburn, MA, a team of MIT aero/astro grads is building what could be the first practical airplane that's also certified for highway driving. Angel-funded startup Terrafugia, headed by 2006 Lemelson-MIT Student Prize winner Carl Dietrich, hopes to have its first full-scale proof-of-concept vehicle ready to show off at July's AirVenture aviation festival in Oshkosh, Wisconsin."

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  1. Stupid idea by Reason58 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look at the accident and fatality rates with the masses and regular cars. I can't imagine how many deaths this would cause worldwide. A flying car is great in cheesy novels and movies, but horrible in reality.

    1. Re:Stupid idea by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Somehow I doubt the various aviation authorities (FAA and its equivalents outside the US) are going to start blindly issuing pilot certificates to people just because they have a driver's license and a flying car.

      For places with no aviation authorities, yeah, they'll probably see their share of car-planes landing/falling in interesting places because some moron was trying to shave, drink his coffee, and check his email while flying to work. But those places will be few and far between.

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    2. Re:Stupid idea by trentfoley · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree in principle, but...

      most anyone that has to:

      a) Go to work
      b) Check email on the way
      c) Shave
      d) Satisfy caffeine addiction

      is most likely living in a region that does have an aviation authority.

    3. Re:Stupid idea by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 5, Insightful

      These numbers are meaningless without corresponding numbers on how much flying was done. With the soaring price of avgas I wouldn't be surprised if accidents were down slightly simply because people are flying less.

      And to the grandparent poster: judging safety by reading the news is almost precisely backwards. The reason you hear about small planes crashing into things on the news is because it's rare enough to be newsworthy. A hundred people die on the roads in this country every day, and they almost never show up on the news because it's simply too commonplace.

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    4. Re:Stupid idea by AnyoneEB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Self-driving cars may be in the forseeable future, but if the technology already existed then there would be no DARPA Grand Challenge. On the other hand, self-flying airplanes are much easier because, as I understand it, there are a lot few obstacles around and a lot of the decision making can be done by only reading instruments, not using human senses.

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    5. Re:Stupid idea by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Where does it say that? The linked page uses a raw accident count everywhere, and never gives any indication that it's comparing meaningful numbers, such as accidents per hour or accidents per mile. Nowhere does it mention a percentage of total flights.

      Your second paragraph simply makes no sense. The number of flights being made is irrelevant, only the percentage change matters.

      Tracking the number of GA flights being made is hard, so let's use avgas sales as a substitute. The linked page indicates that avgas sales were down 11% in 2007, so it's probably fair to assume that flying in general was down by about 11% too. (Mogas conversions and pilots switching to more efficient airplanes are unlikely to have a significant year-over-year effect.) Given this, a 2% decrease in the total number of accidents in one quarter really shows a 9% increase in accident rate. And things are worse for the total year: a 6% increase in the number of accidents combined with 11% less flying gives a 17-18% total increase in accident rate.

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    6. Re:Stupid idea by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1, Insightful

      My guess is that anyone that can afford this thing, can probably afford a real airplane and rent a car. Or buy a car everywhere they fly most often.

      Compromises usually do not offer the best of both worlds, they offer the minimum.

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    7. Re:Stupid idea by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 5, Insightful
      RTFA. This is NOT a "car that can fly." In other words, its not aimed at allowing drivers to take to the skies.

      It's aimed at allowing PILOTS to take to the roads.

      In other words, people who fly now don't have to pay a hangar fee, they can keep their plane in their driveway. If going somewhere, they don't have to pay a hangar fee and then rent a car to get to their final destination, they can drive their plane there.

      Totally different focus, totally different market. Flying cars were stupid, but this is a damned good idea.

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    8. Re:Stupid idea by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Totally different focus, totally different market. Flying cars were stupid, but this is a damned good idea.

      Oh my !@#king godz yes!

      One of the biggest limitations of flying is... what do you do once you land there? It's just like fast Internet - the famous "last mile" problem. Great, there's a small airport just 3 miles from your destination, making your 6 hour drive, 3-day trip into a 1.5 hour flight, day-tripper, but how do you get that last 3 miles from the airport to your actual, intended destination?

      You can rent a car, but that's hassle-prone and expensive. You can ask somebody there to pick you up, but that's dicey at best. Also, if the weather goes bad, you're stuck. And then what?

      This "drivable airplane" solves both problems completely!

      Yes, I'm a private pilot. I fly for business and pleasure. (had a great time taking my sister up just yesterday!) And let me tell you: I want I want I want I want I want I want I want I want I want I want I want I want I want I want I want!!!

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    9. Re:Stupid idea by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      in a world with what 800 million cars I sure wouldn't that number of flying cars!

      The collision hazard for a given number of vehicles is much less when 1) they're able to spread out in the air instead of being confined to narrow channels on the surface, and 2) they spend far less time in transit.

      Navigating in 3D is a big win.

      -jcr

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  2. I don't get it by muellerr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is this different from any other crazy flying car? It's still vaporware as long as there isn't a working prototype, and as far as the difference between a flying car and a 'roadable aircraft'--it seems like a marketing gimmick to me.

    1. Re:I don't get it by muellerr1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I understand what you're saying, but any flying car (roadable aircraft or not) has to meet minimum specifications which make it a 'car'--and presumably, has qualities which make it fly. All I'm saying is, we've been hearing about flying cars for decades and we're still no closer to a practical mass-market product despite efforts like these because the whole idea of a flying car for the masses is fundamentally flawed.

  3. As long as... by r0bVious · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...it is painted bright orange and has a confederate flag on the roof, I'm down.

  4. Eagles make bad cows by brassman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not a lot of shared attributes between these two subclasses of class "vehicle."

    Car: heavy suspension built to handle potholes and such; real-world roads still apply various nasty twisting moments throughout the body, which must be stiff enough to cope. Can ignore the occasional shopping cart dimpling the sides as irrelevant to operational safety.

    Plane: built very VERY lightly. Undercarriage takes one good "whomp" on landing but time spent taxiing is a very small part of the overall life of the vehicle. Even a minor ding may result in it being flagged non-airworthy.

    Executive summary: Cars make lousy planes. Planes make lousy cars.

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    1. Re:Eagles make bad cows by Arcturax · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Problem is, you are thinking in 20th century materials. New materials such as carbon fiber and other new up and coming composites are extremely strong and flexible yet still durable enough to replace steel. As I have stated above. This will happen, but it is a matter of the technologies maturing and someone managing to put them together in a user friendly way. Home computing was thought impossible and the public too stupid to ever make use of one until the 1970's when the technologies matured and two guys from California built a usable home computer in their garage that any Joe could program and use.

      It is just a matter of technological development, time and some ingenuity. I know I will live long enough to see this. I am just hoping I live long enough to see the day you can get your own spacecraft and go make money trading and smuggling ala Outlaw Star and Sundog and other such sci-fi shows/games.

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  5. negative /. response by __aamisb9940 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, listen to you guys. A crowd that usually embraces and welcomes new technology is cutting this to ribbons. Whether or not the concept is actually practical or not remains to be seen - there is certainly more than enough interest out there to continue to fund and develop and research the idea, regardless if the masses don't like it. It'll happen anyway - just give it time.

    1. Re:negative /. response by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, but now you've seen a classic /. poster archetype, the grumpy old man/Luddite. See any article on phones with more functions than making phone calls ("I just want something simple that makes a phone call"), game consoles with HD graphics ("no one wants these fancy graphics, no thanks"), HD TVs/BluRay/etc ("No one owns an HD tv, no one wants this, DVD is just fine for me thank-ya-very-much"), or websites that resemble anything past 1996 ("Whats with all these flash ads and graphics, give me 3 fonts on a repeating background!") This poster enjoys racing other posters of the same type to the bottom of the heap to show how old-school/not-affording that latest crap they are. Frequently spotted in threads about the iPhone, Wii/PS3/Xb360, and programming languages that were invented after 1981.

      That's all for now. Tune in later for "I know about topic X, topic X rhymes with article topic Y, let me tell you how smart I am" and everyone's favorite "This scientific breakthrough is no big deal unless I can buy some practical application of it tomorrow at Wal-Mart"

  6. Re:Flying cars are nonsense. by smellsofbikes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >The skills needed to fly are a lot higher than those to drive.

    As a regular driver and a semi-regular pilot, I'm not sure I agree with that. Driving takes continuous alertness and work because you're surrounded by dangerous stuff, much of it being driven in the opposite direction only a meter or so away by crazy idiots talking on cellphones. In a plane, somewhere between 70 and 95% of the time, you have nothing more than air molecules in all directions for better than 2 km. I know pilots who have set alarm clocks, gotten the plane in stable flight with their 3 axis autopilot, and then gone to sleep for an hour while the plane tooled through the sky: a damned bad idea, but perfectly viable in a plane.
    Aircraft demand some skill in handling the plane in takeoff, and rather a lot in landing, and *enormous* amounts when there's an emergency and you have to do a bunch of intelligent things in the right order to survive. But overall, as regards routine flying, I don't think they require anywhere near as much consistent skill as driving.

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  7. Re:This Has Ended Badly Before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because the creators were idiots. And they died. Spectacularly. And idiots dying spectacularly is funny. And comedy overshadows tragedy in the spectrum of the spectacular.

  8. Re:Rent a Car by AJWM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are hundreds of small/medium airports and airfields that are miles from the nearest car rental agency. There might be a few rental agencies that might be willing to ferry a car out, at great added cost, but that's a decidedly non-trivial exercise, and not always available.

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