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Have You Changed Your Opinion On eBook Readers?

An anonymous reader writes "The Kindle made waves when it came out, but they've now had the chance to calm. How many of you have been using your eBook readers since you've received them? How many of you forgot you had one, and how many of you swear by your reader? I like my single-purpose (well, dual — music player) Sony Reader because I actually use it to read, rather than multitasking myself to death. Is this technology as convenient and useful as you expected?" If not, what refinements or improvements would reKindle your interest?

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  1. Monospace Font for Technical Books by mmurphy000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Kindle, as I understand it, lacks a monospace font. Monospace fonts are rather useful for code listings and whatnot.

    1. Re:Monospace Font for Technical Books by Jaegar · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Kindle, as I understand it, lacks a monospace font. Monospace fonts are rather useful for code listings and whatnot.

      According to O'Reilly, the lack of the monospace is one of the roadblocks for getting more publisher support for the Kindle. I think that getting Safari Online for the Kindle would certainly be enough to get me to give the Kindle a shot.
    2. Re:Monospace Font for Technical Books by Pedersen · · Score: 5, Informative

      Check out the iLiad. I've been using it for the past month and a half now, and wouldn't dream of using something else. Oh, and I can use my download tokens from Safari to get the books, and put the PDFs onto the iLiad. Very very nice device and combination.

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    3. Re:Monospace Font for Technical Books by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 5, Informative

      There'ss a pretty good comparison matrix of a bunch of eBook readers with links, including the iLiad, here.

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    4. Re:Monospace Font for Technical Books by Pedersen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, it is. It's also got a screen the size of most other ebook readers. Think about that: The screen is about as big across as the entire Kindle. Believe me, you need to see it. After that, the price seems a lot more justified.

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      GPL made simple: What was my stuff is now our stuff. If you improve our stuff, please keep it our stuff.
    5. Re:Monospace Font for Technical Books by paganizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Check out a Palm T/X. It has a 480x320 screen, will display video in any common format, has built in WiFi * bluetooth, plays MP3's, uses SD cards, supports every common e-book format except .lit with freely downloadable or built-in software, surfs the web and has tons of games available.
      I've also heard that you can use it to take notes and stuff.
      And, even new at full retail ($299), it's cheaper than just about every eBook reader out there.
      If the thing had a cell phone expansion card it would blow the iPhone out of the water.

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      Why, yes, I AM a Pagan Libertarian.
    6. Re:Monospace Font for Technical Books by pathological+liar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I had a Tungsten E2. It was nice, bright, transflective screen and good resolution... higher end display on a low(ish) end PDA. I bought it to try to stay organized, used it mainly as an e-book reader, and it was pretty good, long battery life etc.

      Then I cracked the display. I was looking at replacement PDAs when a co-worker was talking about his PSP. It's cheaper, wider screen (which makes reading more pleasant), good battery life etc., and trivial to hack to run custom software like an ebook reader.

      Plus if you get bored you can play games, listen to music, or watch a video. Definitely recommended.

  2. Re:Simple answer: No I have not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just like CDs, I guess. After all, I'm sure no slashdotter has an MP3 collection that is much larger than their CD collection...

  3. Hi, I'm your polar oposite. by gnutoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm sick of books and would gladly pay for non drm'd replacement pdfs. I have hundreds of textbooks, novels and paperback books and can think of several serious restrictions. I have to remember who I loan them to. They are a pain to move and an even bigger pain to put back on shelves. Eventually, almost all of them will rot. I'd much rather have them all stored on a hard drive that I can run away with when the next Katrina comes. I've been taking pictures of the books I use more frequently, but a pdf would be better.

    Publishers don't really stand to lose much this way. If the price was right, most people will just buy their pdfs. Universities and other schools can put the cost of texts into tuition. Employers will keep buying reference material. Libraries could pay a special fee based on average circulation. The other stuff might be swapped but it's not something people would have bought anyway. Publishers that don't get it soon enough are going to be made irrelevant by things like Google text and free science journals.

    1. Re:Hi, I'm your polar oposite. by murdocj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Eventually, almost all of them will rot. I'd much rather have them all stored on a hard drive that I can run away with when the next Katrina comes.

      It's a safe bet that those paper books will last far longer than any hard drive that you store files on

    2. Re:Hi, I'm your polar oposite. by WuphonsReach · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hate books for programming. Give me electronic. The main reason is electronic text search. With a book I have to flip through the pages, look through the contents, or manually search through the index to find the topic. Bookmarks get less effective as you add more and more bookmarks to the book. But now full text search and search engines... no more flipping through pages. Find me "BufferedString". Bam. I'm there.

      Actually, I find that to be a blessing with paper books (and I generally prefer paper for technical books, even though I own a Sony eReader). Reference works like the old command/function lists, showing parameters, are probably an exception (I prefer those to be integrated into the IDE, or I'll look them up on a 2nd screen).

      One thing that I learned 10-15 years ago... don't put blinders on when searching for information. As you search, spend 10-20% of your time looking at results that aren't exactly what you were looking for. Anything that catches your eye, that is the least bit connected, or that may shed light on another issue. You don't have to read the extraneous information in-depth, but you should at least file the concepts away in the back of your mind.

      Which pays itself back in spades down the road when you, even vaguely, remember what the possible solution for a new problem is. You'll be able to better form a search query to pull up that information you saw a few months earlier. Which is a lot better then doing another blind search with not a lot of idea about what you're looking for.

      I work with a bunch of technical folks. The most frustrating (and self-limiting) folks are those who simply want "the answer" to their current problem. They never grasp the concept that by trying to learn in small spurts, their work will become easier down the road. Instead, they say "I'll learn the details later, just help me fix this", and thus never get anywhere.

      (Which isn't really germane to the topic at hand... except that when flipping through a paper technical reference manual, it's a lot easier to glance at content other then what you are specifically looking for. Giving me an opportunity to learn a bit about something else while I'm trying to look up something specific.)

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  4. Pages by Blice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With a real book, there's something magical about turning pages.
    As you get closer to the end, you keep a mental track of where you are in the book by the thickness of either ends. Having a digit tell you what page out of the total pages you're at just isn't the same.
    Especially as you get closer to the end- Having the second half of the book shrink as you go, getting excited about the end (Without knowing -exactly- how close you are). Sometimes it even surprises you; you get close to the end but you know you aren't there yet, and then it -does- end, with a thick index in the back.
    But not just the turning and thickness of the book. Also the texture. That rough texture of paper vs. slick plastic. That's just something that an eBook reader isn't going to replace.
    However, I do think eventually next generations will get used to this. I don't dislike ebooks because of functionality or looks, I just don't like them because I'm not used to them. Sort of comparable to Windows and Linux, where Linux is actually more functional and capable of more things, but at first it doesn't matter because you're just not used to it.
    At any rate, I think there is definitely a market for them, and that it'll grow. It'll just take some time of people getting used to the new feelings.

  5. Re:Only two sticking points for me by Lershac · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But you realize that the costs of printing and distribution in the paper industry are already very very low? Like under a buck a book for mass market paperbacks? So as long as the traditional publishing houses are involved, the price will stay high as they need to put food on the table for their employees.

    Prices can only drop as we cut out middlemen.

    If an itunes-like publisher were to open up, and offer low priced books direct from the author (like on the itunes app store model maybe) this would revolutionize (read KILL) the dead tree publishing industry. It would also open the door to lots of CRAP. But a ratings system would emerge I am sure.

    If wishes were fishes...

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    Chuck
  6. You're Missing the Point... by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure, you can multipurpose your gadgets into reading books. But the draw of the ebook reader is eInk.

    If you havn't experienced eInk yourself, you're missing out. Not only is it as readable as newspaper, but the power consumption at rest is ZERO. You don't worry about that nasty backlighting or the headaches you get from reading off a screen - it is completely different and without trying it, you really can't say 'your' non-eInk device is better.

    I was an early adopter, and I've still got dead tree books... but I love my sony reader because I can keep all my paper books in one small unit.

    1. Re:You're Missing the Point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was going to bump you up to a +5 then I noticed your username. Never going to mod up anyone who has fanboy in his username. Them's the rulse. If'n it'were up to me. You'd be banned. Or rather it would be impossible to register with such a username. The attempt would install awesomeware on your computer that would forever prevent you from putting those letters together in that combination. It might also have required you to re write the linux kernel in x86 assembler as further punishment.

      as to the fact that your comment was actually intelligent and showed a higher degree of analysis than the parent, Well as they say, even broken clocks are right twice a day.

  7. Re:Simple answer: No I have not by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just went to the used bookstore, enjoying the smells, the sight, and the interaction with a person who was able to tell me based on a loose idea of what I told him I liked several books I should read.

    Last used bookstore I went to the guy behind the counter hit on my girlfriend. Amazon has never done that.

  8. I still don't see the point by iteyoidar · · Score: 5, Interesting
    So far a lot of the features in e-book readers are focused on making them closer to...real books. The big deal with the kindle is apparently that the screen looks like...paper. Or that you can mark pages and write notes on your e-books, just like a real book, only with a computer interface getting in the way. There is so much convenience in having a real physical paper book where the pages can be written on and flipped through and folded that it is hard for to come up with an electronic design that is as easy to use and still looks like a book.

    From what I've seen of e-book readers so far, I can predict that in The Future, the "perfect" e-book reader will be almost identical to a paperback book, only slightly smaller than a real book, with electronic pages, and dozens of seldom-used features like dictionaries and trivia games and thesauruses. And I guess the pages might as well light up too. Maybe it will be useful if there is a paper shortage

    On the other hand, the newspaper functionality has potential. Unlike novels, reading the newspaper can be very clumsy and annoying unless you have an entire table to read it on. And the online distribution method is so much more convenient than real newspapers. Of course you can already get news on your cell phone or computer for free, but all the same I think e-book newspapers have some serious advantages over the real thing, which I can't say about the e-novels.

  9. Re:Only two sticking points for me by kickabear · · Score: 5, Informative

    1. Refresh time on turning pages. I know that it doesn't bother some people, but I do notice it. I'm told that it's getting better, though, and that gives me some hope. I've been reading a Kindle since the third day after release. I was annoyed by the page turn for about 10 minutes, and then my buffer adjusted. Most of us, when reading the last line on a page, skim the last few words of that line, and process it as we turn the page. With the slightly increased page turn time of the Kindle, I just had to learn to buffer a little more of the last line. Now, I don't even notice the page turn. Oh, and if you haven't tried e-ink for at least half an hour, you should do it before you compare your PDA/Laptop/SmartPhone to it. It's not the same. Not even close. I can stare at a backlit screen for about an hour before my eyes start to burn. I can read the Kindle for hours and hours and never get the slightest eye strain.
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  10. Ancient libraries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    While it's true that a lot of the ancient library was lost, much of it was not very good; a lot of the good stuff was saved. And there is much more than will fit on a single shelf, certainly! I have five or six shelves of it just in my office, and that's not nearly everything.

    Karen Carr, Dept. of History
    Portland State University