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Dealing With Dialup

An anonymous reader writes "It looks like my parents may end up stuck having to use dialup to access the Internet from their cottage inside the Cape Cod National Seashore. Neither Comcast nor Verizon want to bother upgrading the hardware required to get them faster service. They could put a satellite dish on their roof, but it's a 300-year-old house and they feel a dish would be as prohibitively ugly as running dedicated lines would be prohibitively expensive. I've suggested they get familiar with a text-only email client; I also suggested they talk with their senators and local political reps. , Are there other ways they can increase the functionality despite the pitiful bandwidth? Any other good ideas? Any success stories you can share where people have finally got the bandwidth they crave?"

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  1. Take a realistic approach by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The first thing they should probably look into is shared wireless broadband multiplexing. By synchronizing and RSI-ing home wifi routers across whole neighborhoods, it should be possible to create a large enough mesh in which a communal network is created. By then expanding the reach of such a mesh network through the growth of the group itself (through more community members adding themselves to the network by physically adding newly-bought routers) and through the use of technologies like WiMax, it should be possible to reach an internet logon node. At that point, it's pretty much elementary, my dear Watson, to get a working link up.

    The benefit is that as the community grows and more benefits appear for each user, the cumulative benefits become attractive to those who were at first unwilling or wary of such a mesh. When they start joining, they provide their own routers which in turn makes the mesh stronger, more resilient to single-point failures, and simply more stable for everyone.

    There are plenty of companies providing this type of solution, but the best that I've found (and seen implemented in various small towns across the US) have been home-grown. Good luck to your parents!

  2. Potentially crazy suggestion: by Astatine210 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Get a satellite dish.
    Mount it on the ground.
    Cover it with a fibreglass imitation rock, or some other feature that's microwave-transparent but blends in with the local scenery.

    1. Re:Potentially crazy suggestion: by AndGodSed · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Howz about putting the dish inside the roof and replacing the roof tiles over it with pretty fibreglass tiles? That puts the dish in the house, and off the ground, out of eyesight, safe from the wind and hail and yes, maybe even lightning.

    2. Re:Potentially crazy suggestion: by Gromius · · Score: 3, Interesting

      this is almost exactly what my parents did in a similar situation. Couldnt have a dish on the outside (both planning and aesthetic reasons) but they could build a small shed outside without planning permission. Volia, dish goes in shed with the special roof (although they might be trying it without roof for a while to see if its worth the money for the tiles). Also has the added advantage that passing ner-do-wells dont start wondering why that old isolated cottage has a big dish outside it.

    3. Re:Potentially crazy suggestion: by eric76 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As per the article, that's not an option. Even if the poster's parents grudgingly slap on a dish, they're living in an area where there's likely to be local ordinances against blatantly jarring or modern features on houses.

      Local ordinances don't amount to a hill of beans if the dish can also be used for satellite television.

      FCC trumps local ordinances. And they are reportedly quite aggressive about it.

    4. Re:Potentially crazy suggestion: by DewDude · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let me lay this satellite issue to rest (probably not, but i can try).

      You CANNOT mount the dish inside the house or cover it with a fake rock as per Hughes standards. For starters, the uplinking signals are EXTREMELY weak..most materials (even some of the microwave transparent ones) will block the signal...it's actually a few ghz higher than your downlink...this is not to mention that the uplink dishes on your house are NOTHING like the big-boys..they use powerful transmitters remotely mounted and feed the signal with a waveguide out the center of the dish off a reflector, off the dish again and out into space.

      The mere fact is the alignment required to get a signal up there accurately can be affected by things covering it...sure, people do it, and i'm sure it works fine...but a few years ago when i took the exam to install these things, this was not allowed.

      satellite is an expensive option...the wireless G3 option is probably a much better solution. wind hail and lightning don't really pose to many problems IF they're installed properly...this means grounding the dish...which will be done becuase hughes DOES NOT let the homeowner install these things.

      the latency is horrible but the theoritical speeds are good...but if you wanna pay a couple hundred bucks for your internet connection to travel 90,000 miles more than it needs (and that's about half a second of PHYSICAL latency)....then i have to question of you're a senile old geezer to begin with.

  3. Why is "turn to government" the first solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Seriously, why is it always "turn to government"? It is a free country. They are free to live somewhere where they can get broadband. The broadband providers are free to not provide where they feel it is not profitable. This is not like telephone or cable (which have a government monopoly in many cases). Why should government be able to force a private business entity to enter a non-profitable market? Except perhaps in the case cited of an artificial monopoly?

    Besides, it seems like they have an option (satellite), but they just don't want it.

  4. Look towards Siena by dontknowdidley · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Dishes can be painted to match with the existing surrounds - making them blend in fairly easily.

    I was in Siena, Italy - a city that didn't develop during the Renaissance after losing a war to Florence - and there were dishes all over that were painted to match the stone and brick work of that city.

    If a city that old can have dishes without looking bad or distracting, I think a house in New York will be okay.

    Never give up on the easy solution - it's probably the best one.

  5. Re:Wireless broadband by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Or someone who doesn't have broadband but *can* get it...
    I used to live just out of range for ADSL, so i found someone down the street who could get it and offered to pay for it and give them use of it in exchange for wireless access to it.

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  6. google "dry pair" by CoffeeBreath · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are several how-to docs on using bare wires from the telco (originally intended for alarm circuits) with special-purpose modems to get internet access in places the "usual" technologies won't reach.

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  7. Re:First world problems. by thereofone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I didn't realize that that was why I haven't seen AC posts by myself or others modded up. Thank you though; it drove me to the final step after lurking for, oh, three years.

  8. Re:Quitcherbitchen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    There are plenty of working class folks on the cape,
    many of whom can barely afford to live there. Many of
    them grew up on the cape and can't afford to raise
    their own family there. The next time a pipe bursts
    and you have to call a plumber from over the canal,
    you'll get the picture.

    Some of my family members had to foot the bill for
    the last thousand feet, but they were able to get
    Comcrap to drag their signal a mile from the main
    drag once they saw 8 houses that were interested.

    I don't know if the OP could get enough families to
    band together to interest Comcrap, but it's worth a
    shot.

  9. Re:Broadband Wireless Card by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I should point out that VPN over a cellular modem is flaky at best, and practically useless if you are moving in a vehicle.

    Are you sure about that? My boss has a Verizon Wireless EV-DO data card. He heads down to Myrtle Beach every few months (roughly 13 hours away) and works on his laptop pretty much the whole way. He's never complained about having issues with our VPN -- and he's using it to connect to a Citrix server, which is a pretty interactive application and would give him fits if the connection was flaky or spotty.

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  10. Re:pda? by jank1887 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I find adblock to give the biggest boost in page-load speed compared to anything else. Just the mass reduction in server calls for 30 different webmetric and add servers and whatnot just for a single front page is insane. I spend more time waiting for servers to respond than for the page to download

  11. Re:Look on the brightside by iogan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's also logistical problems in the U.S. that you simply don't have elsewhere... how big is the U.S. compared to Japan? S. Korea? You can't just say "someone else did it so we can, too!" If some guy at the end of some long secluded road wants fiber or high speed anything, they should have to pay for it. The government shouldn't pay for it (because then that's us paying for it), and some city dweller shouldn't have to subsidize it, either.
    I love hearing the "we have too low population density for broadband" line. Here's what's up. I live in a far less densely populated country than the US, and I can get 7.2 mbit 3G broadband in the middle of the fucking forest, not to mention the 100mbit/100mbit (actual speed) fiber I have in my apartment. I'm paying about 20 bucks a month for the priviledge. (Well actually closer to 30 bucks, now that the dollar has completely lost pretty much all its value, but you get the picture.) But at least you don't have any government intervention in your wonderfully well-working private markets. Good for you!