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Dealing With Dialup

An anonymous reader writes "It looks like my parents may end up stuck having to use dialup to access the Internet from their cottage inside the Cape Cod National Seashore. Neither Comcast nor Verizon want to bother upgrading the hardware required to get them faster service. They could put a satellite dish on their roof, but it's a 300-year-old house and they feel a dish would be as prohibitively ugly as running dedicated lines would be prohibitively expensive. I've suggested they get familiar with a text-only email client; I also suggested they talk with their senators and local political reps. , Are there other ways they can increase the functionality despite the pitiful bandwidth? Any other good ideas? Any success stories you can share where people have finally got the bandwidth they crave?"

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  1. pda? by Pvt.+Cthulhu · · Score: 3, Informative

    if email is the biggest issue, a pda that gets wireless intarwebs from cell towers could be the solution. i hears talk that their making ones that are actually faster than wired broadband.

    1. Re:pda? by zoney_ie · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know what it is like in the US, but here in Ireland we have 3G services, that the government even include in statistics as "broadband" connections. However, they do not actually provide good speeds in practice for most, as the service does not handle increased users well - the cell bandwidth gets divided out between the users and so just 20 or so means worse than dial-up speed and useless QoS. At the worst times it can be faster to switch to GPRS (2.5G)

      Maybe Edge or whatever is used in the US is better, although I believe the top theoretical speeds are lower even if they do deliver better speed in practice.

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      As regards the OP question of how to cope with dial-up, I highly recommend NoScript for Firefox. Greatly reduces the load time for webpages (at least in my experience of seeing it on a browser using dual-channel ISDN). It by default blocks the worst web content - flash and javascript (e.g. loading graphics and animations from 3rd party ad servers). Simpler and more useful than Adblock, also fairer for website owners as you are not blocking ads specifically - just not handling certain types of content. You can easily whitelist javascript for domains for which it is essential.

      For email, set up your email client (it doesn't need to be text only) to leave the emails on the email server - you can choose which ones to open up and download, and delete junk without downloading.

      For downloading, it is useful to use a download client that can pause and resume downloads, or handle interruptions.

      Two-way satellite works great except for the latency. You could always have the dish on the ground out in the garden if the house or shrubs etc. don't shadow the signal. Two-way sat has the advantage of being "always on" and you don't have the time-based billing of dial-up, also usable for downloading large amounts of data.

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    2. Re:pda? by bgat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Two-way satellite works great except for the latency. You could always have the dish on the ground out in the garden if the house or shrubs etc. don't shadow the signal. Indeed, satellite is a great option here unless you're a user of interactive, gaming-type protocols. Shrubs, etc. *do* block the signal, but the allowable distance between the LNB (a.k.a. "antenna") and receiver/decoder (a.k.a. "box") can be pretty generous, so put the antenna behind a tree. Just be absolutely sure to use a very sturdy pole set in concrete, otherwise wind, etc. will move the dish enough to take down your link on environmentally-challenged days. A nearby shed that blocks the wind, snow, etc. is ideal.

      You could also consider a mesh 802.11 network, but that would (a) probably be as high-latency as satellite, albeit with similar bandwidth, and (b) require cooperation from neighbors, so that your packets could hop to somewhere that connected to the 'tubes.

      If you have Edge et. al, give them a try, especially with Sprint's new all-you-can-eat plan. I know that when my Treo can get that kind of signal, it's pretty impressive. Not ADSL-impressive, but definitely a step up from dialup. And a whole lot easier to install (USB modem)...
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    3. Re:pda? by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 2, Informative
      A few notes:

      1. No Script won't always make things faster. Small, compressible AJAX scripts often save me loading a whole page. The most recent version of /. for example is way, way easier for dialup users with scripts enabled. So yeah- bug whitelist if you go with no scripts. Adblock is probably more appropriate (thought I don't use it)

      It's ridiculous to suggest text mode only unless it's less that say 24000kbps. 2. Email. Just use POP or IMAP in offline mode and have it ask before downloading big messages, I choose 300k. At least Apple mail does this well ("Subject, from sender@domain is 1.3MB, Delete, Skip or Download")- I'd bet that thunderbird does too. On a slow connection you want a local copy of messages.

      Or use Gmail's Web Interface and leave it open. It takes a minute to load the first time but after that it's excellent for dialup users.

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      Satellite... also usable for downloading large amounts of data

      This is totally untrue. Have you read satellite provider's Fair Access Policy. $50/mo+$250 equiptment will get you all of about 7.5GB/30 day rolling period WildBlue. This year they changed their throttling policy to not only slow you down if you exceed, but they actually give you intermittent service until you fall to 70% FAP threshold. That means that if you downloaded the full 7.5GB in three days, you've shot yourself for a whole month. If you're on satellite monitor your own bandwidth!

      4. So in summary dialup isn't a death sentence. Ajax is often helpful. Order your distros on CD. Save your email for offline access. Satellite considered dangerous.

      The most important thing is to find an ISP that won't cancel your Unlimited account or demand additional fees for high usage. I uses Lanset (Please pardon their home page- bleh!). They kick me off if I've been on for 8 hours straight, but they don't mind if I reconnect. My connection is active probably 20 hours a day.

      I'm writing this on a 31.3kbps connection. I also have a ProPak account with wildblue- but it's on the other side of the mountain.

      PS Cell data service is definitely worth checking out if available. We don't have cell service here either.

    4. Re:pda? by electrictroy · · Score: 3, Informative

      (1) Get a satellite dish. "It's ugly" is an invalid excuse, especially since the dish could be mounted in the backyard where no one can see it. Maybe fill it with water to make an attractive birdbath (I'm joking). But seriously a dish in your yard looks better than some of the things I've seen sitting in people's lawns!

      (2) Get Netscape ISP. It uses text & image compression to increase effective speeds upto 1000 kbit/s. While traveling I can load pages almost as fast with Netscape Dialup as with my home DSL.

      (3) Another option is to select "don't load images" in Firefox or Internet Exploder.

      As you can see from my signature, using dialup is not a tragedy. All of us had dialup from circa 1980 to 2000 and we survived. Your parents can too.

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    5. Re:pda? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Informative
      "Times changes. Bandwidth inflation is a serious problem. Web pages don't clock in at under 10k anymore."

      I agree. In the article, it kind of joked about getting used to a 'text email' client. Why is this a joke? Email is SUPPOSED to be text only, and somehow along the way, we've bastardized it into all kinds of HTML, with images, fugly wallpaper, etc...

      Geez...it is now taking a couple of 'K' to send a simple 2 line email these days.

      I try to keep all my email clients set to text only...both for receiving and sending. Last time I was forced to use Outlook...I couldn't easily get it set to do text only both ways...

      Why isn't this set by default?

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    6. Re:pda? by sjames · · Score: 2, Informative

      And sending html stops you from reading it? Usually email clients will send plain text and html. Besides, many newer mobile devices can read html email without having to go to OO.org or a browser. (OO.org??)

      How many of them can read the MS Office files some clueless people send instead of email text? You say usually, but I find that too many people select html only.

      I don't understand why you care if other people send messages the way they want to though? Look at your snail mail, people send pictures, elaborate formats, etc all the time...should that be banned too because it is "a bunch of extra crap that has nothing to do with the information" etc etc? Should books never be allowed to have chapterheads or bold or italic or illustrations etc because it is a bunch of extra crap?

      I care because I'm the one who has it clogging up my inbox. If you can't tell the difference between a few snapshots in snail-mail from a friend or reletive (which actually ARE part of the message) and a 15MB email for less than 1 K worth of text, here's a comparison for you. You recieve a 27 cubic foot package stuffed full of old newspapers and packing peanuts. In the bottom is a postcard that says "hows it going?". You receive an average of 5 of those a day.

      As for the extra crap that's stuffed into every bill and junk mail, then YES, it should be banned. All it does is clog up my trash can.

      If you can't tell the difference between a book and a note on the fridge, I can't help you. I think it should have been fairly clear from my posting that if you're sending me an e-book (not a postcard), go ahead and attach it.

      Image you want me to look at? Go ahead and attach it with a quick note in text telling me what it is. Document I need to read? Attach it with a text note. Quick note? If you put it in a Word document and attach it, I'll probably delete it unread. This is really a complete non-sequitur as email attachments have been around a long time--before html email i would imagine.

      Have some coffee and read my post again. The abve was fairly clear and which comes first has nothing to do with it.

      I thought pretty much all email readers now didn't load images from unknown senders or spam identified messages?

      The whole point of image spam is to bypass spam detection by stuffing the real text of the message into an image. Most spam filters don't do OCR.

  2. Get a USB Modem by The+Mutant · · Score: 2, Informative

    We've had problems with our broadband being capped down to dial up speeds from time to time (Virgin sux), and I purchased one of those USB Modem sticks.

    Speed isn't super fast, about 750MBS, but it does the job.

    We're Mac users and have one in each room. We put the USB modem on an iMac, configure it to share its internet connection via airport, and we're happy.

    1. Re:Get a USB Modem by richy+freeway · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's not the point I'm making. I'm with Virgin for my cable broadband as well. They have in place a cap that kicks in between 4pm and 9pm if you download over a certain amount that day. This limits your up and down stream. If someone on your network has a P2P app running that eats up all the upstream the whole connection will feel like dialup speeds.

  3. Wireless broadband by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are some companies offering (expensive) wireless broadband on 5 GHz. Maybe not on the tip of the Cape, though. When I checked, they were priced like T1s...prohibitively expensive.

    I'm guessing they're not able to get DSL.

    There's also the possibility of using WiFi access points and directional antennas to create a point-to-point link with someone who has broadband. I did this for my brother and it works well, just need that person willing to share their broadband connection.

    1. Re:Wireless broadband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      ISDN kicks ass for games. Consistent pings as low as 46ms on well-behaved MMOs like WOW, and that's at 64-kbit. It also connects in under 1 second. Be prepared to pay $70/month or more depending on level of service. You can make up for it by winning every dial-in contest since it doesn't actually dial the numbers to set up a call. There's also answering software that will record to mp3. There is an attached service agreement to these lines. If your line goes down for any reason, the phone company owes you money for the downtime.

      You may want to look at blocking ads via the HOSTS file, using Proxomitron, and possibly using a free DNS proxy such as Acryclic. These techniques make satellite internet bearable, but nothing can fix the 1200ms+ latency and 20% packet loss short of a new cluster of LEO satellites instead of the geosynchronus ones.

    2. Re:Wireless broadband by yuna49 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because the property is located inside the National Seashore, various other restrictions come into play. Even simple renovations on these properties involve a lot of permitting and negotiations intended to preserve the character of the Seashore lands.

  4. Re:Potentially crazy suggestion: by Brandano · · Score: 5, Informative

    or just place it under the roof. They sell purpose-made fiberglass roof tiles that will match the existing ones after a little creative weathering, and are microwave transparent.

  5. Parabolic / Directional Antenna by Skal+Tura · · Score: 2, Informative

    Do not know the distance we are talking about, but sounds like there won't be anything prohibitive on line of sight.

    Closest neighbour who can have a fast connection, arrange with them to setup a WiFi, but not with regular uni-directional antennae, use directional, big one.

    More precise you can align the antennaes, the further you can reach with better bandwidth. To avoid the bad looks, you could hook it up in a tree too.

    If you are DIY type, there's lots of DIY tutorials to make one yourself on the cheap, which is just as good or better than some which costs insane high bucks. Just google "DIY WiFi Directional Antenna" :) Here's one: http://demi0urgos.livejournal.com/5924.html
    Picture: http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smalllabattstilt2nr.jpg
    Used: Beer can, some copper wiring, and some household items.

    You actually can get quite damn good distances with this kind of setup, alternatively, you guys might want to ask if you could use signal boosters to amplify the strength of signal, but beware, there's very good reasons why by default the output is weak, but that's mostly directed towards to areas where there is other users.

    Also, get the best hardware you can find on sane prices, using some cheap D-Link crap or something like that, is plain shooting yourself on the foot, they don't even work for 10 feets, nevermind 10miles no matter what kind of antenna you use.

    Also, by nature WiFi is not very reliable, but setup well, it should work fine most of the time.

  6. Re:.-=anonymous=-. by VermifugeRT · · Score: 2, Informative

    $60 gets you 5 GB (over 1 month) from Verizon. service is not unlimited.

  7. Re:what about EVDO? by aywwts4 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Since I am a loser... I checked 90% of the cape cod national seashore is covered by sprint's "Sprint Mobile Broadband Network (avg 600 kbps - 1.4 mbps download, 350 kbps - 500 kbps upload)" with the highest quality signal.

    And at 60 Dollars a month you have nothing to complain about.

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  8. Re:Take a realistic approach by weijiao · · Score: 2, Informative

    Go with the flow :-) Use mobile websites where possible eg http://m.gmail.com./ Many websites still have have text pages - use them.

    Ordinary email clients, such as Thunderbird work well at dialup speeds.

  9. Re:Why is "turn to government" the first solution? by patrixmyth · · Score: 3, Informative

    They are also free to contact their political representatives. I don't think anyone needs to protect the poor old telecoms from the oppression of providing universal broadband coverage. The telecoms are doing just fine and benefit much more from government assistance then they spend in compliance with their few remaining service obligations.

    That said, Cape Cod is already whipping up solutions. Put the folks in contact with Open Cape, and they will probably be able to find a wifi provider that has or plans to provide service to their area. http://www.opencape.com/

    Worse case scenario, they can buy a laptop and access broadband in the city. You don't HAVE to have broadband at home. It's ok to sit in a cafe once in a while, and you could call them instead of emailing.

    I wouldn't know myself, but I understand that there are still some people actually communicating in analog. Sounds primitive, I know. I understand ROTFL is actually considered rude, but apparently LOL is still ok in person.

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  10. Re:Potentially crazy suggestion: by cdrudge · · Score: 3, Informative

    they're living in an area where there's likely to be local ordinances against blatantly jarring or modern features on houses.
    Such ordinances are illegal if they are only in place for aesthetic reasons. Local government or homeowner associations can't restrict placement if it's exclusive use property, doesn't present a safety concern, and doesn't alter the historic value of the property. The last one might be an issue here but I would be very surprised if it did. The only other exception is that if two locations are suitable to receive the signal, one of which is less obtrusive then the other, it can be required to use the less obtrusive location IF it's placement does not increase the cost of installation. So in other words, if the middle of the front yard or the middle of the back yard behind the house are the only two locations, then the backyard could be required to be used so it's out of sight from the front of the house. However I don't know how many people really wouldn't go with the less obtrusive, cheaper option anyways so it's almost a moot point anyways.
  11. Re:what about EVDO? by jcrousedotcom · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was surprised it took this many replies for someone to suggest Verizon or Sprint. I love my EVDO sprint connection, it works great - I even tethered my laptop to my Treo on a recent trip and it worked great going down the road (I was a passenger). We even shared my Internet connection and had two laptops (via crossover cable) connected. Assuming the EVDO svc is available, I think that would be the ideal solution. It is also something they could use while traveling or away from a landline HS connection.

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  12. fake rock by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mount the dish at ground level and put a fake rock over it. This has been a very common solution, and the rock-like covers are available from several sources for a few hundred dollars.

  13. Broadband Wireless Card by gravis777 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I use these for commuting, and even the Edge cards are faster than dialup (although there is a longer lag time, the actual speeds seem to be faster). We just upgraded to a 3G card through AT&T, and it is noticibly faster. It they have a desktop rather than a laptop, most of the major cellular providers do offer USB devices as well.

    I will point out that you are looking at spending around $50-$60 a month for unlimited access for speeds that hover around 200k-300k a second. Its fine for using HTML e-mail, and most websites. Even using VPN, having Outlook sync up with my RSS Feeds, Exchange Server, and GMail account, only takes about 45 seconds over 3G (I have a LOT of RSS Feeds), and that is only when you first launch the program, of course once launched, it constantly checks mail, so its not that big of an issue.

    I should point out that VPN over a cellular modem is flaky at best, and practically useless if you are moving in a vehicle.

    1. Re:Broadband Wireless Card by BookRead · · Score: 2, Informative
      I think they're a good choice for Cape Cod generally but the cell coverage on the National Seashore can be a bit spotty, especially around Eastham where the Seashore's Visitor Center is. (There's some sort of roaming service there.) Further up towards Truro and P'town you're likely to be in better shape. Check out the coverage maps before you select a provider. The town libraries also provide Wifi although they have transfer limits.

      After trying various hotspots and using dialup with mixed results I've invested in mobile broadband solution for my visits down there. I'm generally in the Harwich/Chatham area so I'm not too worried about the coverage gaps.

      I've found my Cisco VPN client is a bit flaky with Sprint but I'm hoping it's just a version problem.

  14. should try wireless by marros · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you use a wireless transmitter, like something from Tranzeo, and a yagi antennae, you can get up to 25 miles at high speed (1.5-3.5Mbps up to 54Mbps). This doesn't have to be set up on the house, you can put it on a 25' to 40' tower. Check out their website and see if they have a solution.

  15. Re:That's your interpretation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The OP indicates it is a summer home by use of the word "cottage". In the U.S. the term "cottage" is never used to refer to one's primary residence. And a "cottage" on Cape Cod is something which is only available to the obscenely wealthy.

  16. Re:Look on the brightside by jafuser · · Score: 5, Informative
    I agree, the government shouldn't force anyone to pay for it. But we already did pay for it:

    The $200 Billion Broadband Scandal

    Here's a summary of the relevant points:

    The fiber optic infrastructure you paid for was never delivered.

    Starting in the early 1990's, with a push from the Clinton-Gore Administration's "Information Superhighway", every Bell company - SBC, Verizon, BellSouth and Qwest - made commitments to rewire America, state by state. Fiber optic wires would replace the 100-year old copper wiring. The push caused techno-frenzy of major proportions. By 2006, 86 million households should have had a service capable of 45 Mbps in both directions, (to and from the customer) could handle over 500 channels of high quality video and be deployed in rural, urban and suburban areas equally. And these networks were open to ALL competition.

    In order to pay for these upgrades, in state after state, the public service commissions and state legislatures acquiesced to the Bells' promises by removing the constraints on the Bells' profits as well as gave other financial perks. They were able to print money - billions of dollars per state - all collected in the form of higher phone rates and tax perks. (Note: each state is different.)

    * ADSL is not what was promised and paid for. It goes over the old copper wiring, can't achieve the speed, has problems in rural areas and is mostly one-way.

    * The public subsidies for infrastructure were pocketed. The phone companies collected over $200 billion in higher phone rates and tax perks, about $2000 per household.

    * The World is Laughing at US. Korea and Japan have 100 Mbps services as standard, and America could have been Number One had the phone companies actually delivered. Instead, we are 16th in broadband and falling in technology dominance.

    * Harm to the economy. Five trillion dollars was lost because new technologies and services that America would have developed, happened in Korea. Municipalities around America are waking up to the fact that the phone companies failed to deliver and are now doing Wifi and fiber-based work-arounds.

    * The promised networks couldn't be built in 1993 and state laws were changed based on "deceptive speech". The technology today still has problems delivering 500 channels.

    * The phone companies pulled a bait and switch. In order to offer DSL over copper, it was not necessary to have state regulation changed. Their plan was to get rid of regulations and enter long distance.

    * The Bell mergers resulted in the death of the state plans for fiber optic broadband. Over 26 states had fiber optic projects closed when the mergers of SBC and Verizon were completed. That affected almost 80% of all phone customers in the US.

    Wouldn't you like your $2000 back?
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  17. Re:Look on the brightside by toocooleds · · Score: 5, Informative

    People read "cottage on Cape Cod" and immediately assume the owners must be wealthy. That's actually unlikely to be true. In fact, the only private cottages inside the Cape Cod National Seashore are relics. The Park Service would just as soon they were destroyed, but they are grandfathered into the law when the land was designated as national parkland. They cannot be sold outside the family which owned them historically, only handed down through the generations. They are mostly tiny, weatherbeaten shacks, and they cannot be updated or expanded. Many were once the homes of poor artists, now used as vacation homes by their descendants. Cape Cod was not always a playground for the rich.