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How the RIAA Targets Campus Copyright Violators

jyosim writes "The Chronicle of Higher Ed got a briefing at RIAA headquarters on how the group catches pirates. They just use LimeWire and other software that pirates use, except that they've set up scripts to search for songs, grab IP numbers, and send out notices to college officials. They claim they don't target specific colleges, though many feel that they do."

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  1. Jeoparody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How the RIAA Targets Campus Copyright Violators I'll take "with Lawyers" for $200 Alex.
  2. Not exactly targeting... by gentimjs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I doubt they are 'targeting' any specific school, but I strongly suspect IPs resolving to unilag.edu.ng are handled differently then those resolving to yale.edu , where the students are more likely to just pay a settlement rather then wipe their arse with the notices...

    1. Re:Not exactly targeting... by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 2, Informative

      Where do they get off saying that they don't have the technical means to target? If they can tell what IPs belong to which schools then they absolutely have the means with which to target.

    2. Re:Not exactly targeting... by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 3, Funny

      Things work a little differently in Lawyerland, which is nestled snugly between Sharkopia and Snakesia.

  3. How by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Judging from the number of elderly, children, blind people, dead people, etc. that the RIAA labels have targeted, I'd say most likely they do it with a random number generator.

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    1. Re:How by jrothwell97 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is this seeded or unseeded?

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    2. Re:How by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Funny

      They are probably using Debian.

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    3. Re:How by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      By what I've seen of the RIAA, they could make good use of the choke on a bucket of cocks function.

    4. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Judging from the number of elderly, children, blind people, dead people, etc. [...]

      Judging from the "quality" music they produce these days, it is only logical that they do first check from their captive audience.

    5. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Judging from the number of elderly, children, blind people, dead people, etc. Why would the blind be any less likely to download music than the rest of us? They use computers too...
  4. RIAA "making available" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like entrapment to me, like the mafRIAA is "making avaible" the same mp3s they are accusing people of downloading... bastards.

    1. Re:RIAA "making available" by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not to side with the RIAA and similar, but wouldn't you figure, if they have the power to use a copyright of a given item to sue you, that they also have the legal right to "distribute" said copyrighted material?

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    2. Re:RIAA "making available" by closetpsycho · · Score: 2, Interesting

      IANAL, but I believe that they would only be able to if that particular method is laid out in the contract with the band. Otherwise, the bands could sue them for breaking the contract AND copyright infringement.

    3. Re:RIAA "making available" by Danse · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sounds like entrapment to me, like the mafRIAA is "making avaible" the same mp3s they are accusing people of downloading... bastards. You can't entrap someone unless you're a government agent. They aren't suing people for downloading anyway, they're suing them for uploading.
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    4. Re:RIAA "making available" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Does that mean you could legally obtain free content using a P2P client with a script that only downloads from RIAA IP addresses?

    5. Re:RIAA "making available" by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2, Informative

      That isn't how the whole music industry works. When any random band signs a typical contract with the "Big Nasty", they essentially own your soul. They own the music, possibly the band name, and likely the logo and art that go along with it... and they have the right to do pretty much anything they want with it. They are a predatory bunch. Imagine all of this, and THEN finding out that YOUR on the hook for production costs of your albums too. It should be a crime. Unfortunately, they have more money than God.

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    6. Re:RIAA "making available" by Yogiz · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If you RTFA then RIAA doesn't make the mp3s available for download. It searches them and then checks who downloads.

      The RIAA maintains a list of songs whose distribution rights are owned by the RIAA's member organizations. It has given that list to Media Sentry, a company it hired to search for online pirates. That company runs copies of the LimeWire program and performs searches for those copyrighted song titles, one by one, to see if any are being offered by people whose computers are connected to the LimeWire network. --- The LimeWire software allows users who right-click on any song entry and choose "browse host" to see all of the songs that a given file sharer is offering to others for download. The software also lists the IP address of active file sharers. --- Using public, online databases (such as those at arin.net or samspade.org), Media Sentry locates the name of the Internet-service provider and determines which traders are located at colleges or universities. They do however download (and perhaps unintentionally share as well) the mp3s that they're not sure are the right ones. I doubt that RIAA will sue it's own investigators for copyright infringement but on the other hand, they seem pretty desperate. I wonder about "unintentional entrapment" however.
    7. Re:RIAA "making available" by mea37 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but if they do, then downloading the copy they distribute within their rights is not illegal. If I offer you something I own for free, then it is legal for you to take it.

      Doesn't matter, though. That's not how they're using LimeWire (or other P2P clients), as the GP would've known if he'd RFTA.

      They're not making the music available; they're using the client to search for others who are making the music available.

    8. Re:RIAA "making available" by element-o.p. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to side with the RIAA and similar, but wouldn't you figure, if they have the power to use a copyright of a given item to sue you, that they also have the legal right to "distribute" said copyrighted material?
      In which case, if you download the music from them (the RIAA), then it would seem (IANAL, etc.) that they couldn't possibly charge you with copyright infringement since they, the copyright holder, offered the MP3 for download. Or am I missing something?
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    9. Re:RIAA "making available" by Shagg · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're correct, but they're not suing people for downloading from the RIAA. It's the unauthorized people who are uploading that are illegally distributing the files.

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    10. Re:RIAA "making available" by monxrtr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well the RIAA claims in TFA that they only download.

      The RIAA, in so far as they are also "making available", are making available with no clear demarcation of copyright, further complicating their liability well beyond mere "entrapment". So all those downloads from RIAA hosted files are perfectly legal. Making available man_on_the_moon.mp3 is no different than making available kennedy_moon_speech.mp3 whilst sneaking in a secretly copyrighted song into a title of a public domain presidential speech about putting a man on the moon.

      Could you imagine the copyright liability which could be created if you put your own copyrighted files into titles of public domain works and then sued everybody who downloaded or viewed those files? You could get rich off the RIAA by putting your own homemade songs into file titles the RIAA deep packet inspects, by definition copies and views, as they check to see whether the files are copyrighted, and sue for statutory copyright damages. It would be absolutely no different then suing everybody who clicked on or linked to your webpage.

      In fact if you download and upload every single file on the internet and "deep packet inspect" those files by viewing or listening to them, you are doing exactly what the RIAA is doing and clamoring to be done with "deep packet inspection" software. It's no different if it done automatically by a program or manually by individual eyes and ears.

      So I was correct all along, the RIAA is indeed downloading and "deep packet inspecting" based on file titles alone, even attempting to submit "evidence" of screenshots of file titles. No doubt the RIAA is legally liable for $100s of BILLIONS for mistaken inspection and downloading of content that is not the copyright of RIAA members. If anybody were to subpoena the RIAA download and deep packet inspection records in a countersuit, those record companies will be BANKRUPT from distributing consumer copyrighted parodies and commentaries!

      All hail the the arrival of the Era of the Copyright Troll! Time to parody the hell out of everything that is copyrighted, and get paid outrageous legal sums for doing so! You will soon find that the RIAA is the biggest P2P "pirate" in the world (and they have tens of billions in assets -- go get your piece!).

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    11. Re:RIAA "making available" by arminw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      .....to search for others who are making the music available.....

      Recent court cases indicate that "making available" is not against the copyright law. The **AA would certainly like that to be the case, so they and they alone are able to "make available" and nobody else. To violate copyright, there has to be an actual copy made by someone.

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    12. Re:RIAA "making available" by MiKM · · Score: 3, Informative

      Programs like PeerGuardian already block IPs belonging to RIAA and friends.

  5. Hate Emails by TheRedSeven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The demonstration was given by an RIAA employee who would speak only on condition of anonymity because of concern that he would receive hate e-mail.

    If you risk getting hate mail simply because you work at a certain company, perhaps it's time to look for a different job?

    On the other hand, if this guy actually stuck his neck out and shared how the RIAA really finds their suckers, he'd probably get thank you letters rather than hate mail.

    In either case, he probably needs to do some deep self-examination to see why he stays at this job.

    1. Re:Hate Emails by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The hate mail would read:

      "You're fired"

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    2. Re:Hate Emails by RobBebop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In either case, he probably needs to do some deep self-examination to see why he stays at this job.

      I often question why people would work at companies that have questionable business practices. I assume that it is similar to the reason why I work at a company that doesn't. (a) They gave me an job offer, and (b) they consistently provide me with a paycheck.

      Sadly, there are not enough jobs to go around within companies who have strong morals and upstanding business practices. It is Supply/Demand... and when the demand for employees is highest in immoral organizations, it is no wonder why people end up there.

      A ray of hope is that it might be possible to teach enough young people values so that when they grow up and turn around these businesses.

      Until then... we just need to keep track of people on an individual basis who have a history of making immoral decisions, and (sadly) we are doing a crappy job. I would love to see a Who's Who of corporate America that lists the cretins and jerks who lie and abuse the power they've been entrusted with.

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  6. Target selection by Walpurgiss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Like article says, they ensure that the infringer is in the US before bothering to send a notice, but I'd be willing to bet there are some US schools too that they try to avoid spamming with notices. Not so much selective targeting, but selective non-targeting.

  7. Change LimeWire EULA now! by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Prohibit using LimeWire to harvest tracking and identifying information!

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    1. Re:Change LimeWire EULA now! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Change LimeWire EULA now!
      And you think that the RIAA would follow the new EULA? Remember that they us a PI company that is not even licensed to practice in many of the states they do "investigations" in. Interestingly, they have not suffered any repercussions for breaking the law. Conclusion: They are above the law.
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  8. Sue LimeWire ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... for making available the IP addresses and tracking information.

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  9. IP is not an identity by joocemann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since when can a person be held directly responsible for activity that occurs on their IP address? The RIAA is throwing charges for crimes without sufficient evidence that the person they are charging committed the crime. There are a million ways an IP is shared or used by multiple persons. Without substantial evidence, the RIAA is merely throwing litigious paperwork around at tons of innocent people. When will our government establish a recourse for recurring wrongful litigious activity? The ability to sue, blame, and then settle out of court is being so heavily exploited because lawyers know that most people would rather settle than pay the $$$ to prove themselves innocent. We need to either: 1) Not allow settling, thus making false accusations apparent, and thus the obvious waste of our judicial resources. This would be the cause of an impending need to reform and disallow repeat false accusers. or 2) Allow individual accusers or accusing bodies (such as the RIAA) a limited amount of legal cases, for which an appeal must be done to be allowed more.

    1. Re:IP is not an identity by Aranykai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The sad likelihood is that IP's will become tied to our identities by laws pushed by RIAA and MPAA interest groups.

      They will stand on the side of Hollywood, not the side of the citizens. Just like they always have.

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  10. Legality of MediaSentry by hansamurai · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article details MediaSentry's tactics but wasn't there a bunch of fuss earlier this year on how MediaSentry may actually be illegal in some states because they don't have an investigator's license? Does this mean MediaSentry is filtering out schools from states where they can't investigate people from? Or are they still collecting everything they can and forwarding it on to the RIAA, which still seems illegal on their part.

    http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/11/1427257
    http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/10/1542222

  11. Could they not do the same with torrents? by Drakin020 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After all Azerus has a section where you can see who is seeding and leaching. It shows IP info if I'm not mistaken. Can they not do this with Torrents? How does that differ from Limewire?

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    1. Re:Could they not do the same with torrents? by number11 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Azerus has a section where you can see who is seeding and leaching. It shows IP info if I'm not mistaken. Can they not do this with Torrents?

      Easily.

      How does that differ from Limewire?

      With a torrent there isn't any way to "see all of the songs that a given file sharer is offering to others", just that one. And in fact, most people only do a few torrents at a time, so even if the RIAA could detect them, it wouldn't sound very impressive. They'd prefer to be able to go into court and say, "Look at this list! This criminal mastermind was distributing 2000 files! But we're only asking money for the five that we actually downloaded."

  12. no capability of targeting any school? by DodgeRules · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the article:

    "We have no capability of targeting any school at all," said the RIAA representative, who argued that there is a large "misperception" among university administrators that individual colleges are being picked on. "Technically we can't do it. We find what we find with this process, and that's what we send to schools." Technically we can't do it? BULL***T! A simple filter that throws away all schools not A, B or C is very easy to create. It is possible that they CHOOSE not to do it, but it is technically possible.
  13. Re:Maybe capitalism really does promote darwanism by sm62704 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just can't wait until all artists start their own publishing

    That's the real reason behind these suits. They can't possibly be afraid you'll hear top 40 crap, because if they did they wouldn't let the radio (easily sampled to better than iTunes or MP3 quality) play them.

    It isn't Britney they want to keep out of your ears, it's the indies. Note they don't say "illegal downloads" except when the context infers that all downloads are illegal? Their aim, mostly met, it to make you think they do indeed have a monopoly (or rather, cartel) and that all music is RIAA music. it worked on you, didn't it?

    "Piracy" isn't hurting their sales and they know it. The indies (and the gasoline and food companies) are eating their lunch. Most of us have only so many dollars to spend. If I buy four $5 CDs from the band that plays at the bar (professionally recorded and duplicated, with art and packaging) that's twenty dollars I don't have to buy an RIAA CD.

    Their only hope for survival is to kill the internet. Good luck with that.

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  14. Time to do a counter-sting by davidwr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I assume the RIAA are already polluting filesharing networks with fake files, so why not do the same?

    Create an audio file with the same name as a popular song, have the first 7-8 seconds or whatever is legal be the same as the song, followed by an oral essay that critiques the song.

    Now, when they sue, not only will you have a bulletproof argument that the suit is without merit, you will have a good counter-suit on the grounds that they are trying to suppress legitimate free speech.

    At the very least, this will force the RIAA to listen to songs before filing suit.

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    1. Re:Time to do a counter-sting by blueg3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You must've missed the part in the article where they describe how they determine if it's actually one of their songs or not.

      Hint: neither file name nor first few seconds being the same will do it.

  15. Re:Maybe capitalism really does promote darwanism by maxume · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is it exhausting to constantly assume that large groups of people are motivated, competent and organized?

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  16. Re:If you P2P then use protection. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You actually believe this will protect you?!

    I agree with the statement "A false sense of security is worse than no security at all."

    Check this thread

    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/488917.html

  17. Chicago ordinance will put an end to independents by VampireByte · · Score: 5, Informative

    Small music venues are being targeted in Chicago; it appears that the city wants to make sure the only live music shows are in large arenas. Who benefits? Let's see. No more opportunities for independent artists to perform. Hmmm, guess the only way to hear live music is to go to a huge arena to see some crappy pop act produced by riaa minions. So are laws like this being proposed in other cities? Is Chicago just the start? Is this the next step in music industry dominance?

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  18. Re:If you P2P then use protection. by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

    PeerGuardian is to protection what "safe periods" are to prevention. If they have any clue at all, they've got IP blocks under some unknown subsidiary, rented boxes in colos or using anonymizing whois registrars. Maybe they're happy to target the 90% easiest targets, but it's by no means safe as such.

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  19. Re:If you P2P then use protection. by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ahh, Peerguardian. Once they have a Vista client out...

  20. Re:Maybe capitalism really does promote darwanism by hedwards · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why exactly is it nontaxable? Any income that isn't specifically excluded by code is considered to be taxable. Just because the income is illegal or of dubious legality does not exempt it from taxation. Perhaps the most famous case being Al Capone being toppled by the IRS.

  21. Why The RIAA Has No Case by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...according to RIAA spokeswoman Cara Duckworth. She also acknowledged that the RIAA can tell only when a song is being offered for users to illegally download; investigators have no way of knowing when someone else is actually downloading the song.

    This is why the RIAA has no legal case, and why they must resort to bluffs, threats, extortion, smoke, mirrors, and press releases.

    The song file has to be downloaded by another unauthorized person (RIAA investigators don't count) for it to be infringement. The RIAA itself admits here that they have no way of knowing if anybody else has ever downloaded this song. To properly win in court they have to convince judges and/or juries that despite this complete lack of proof that they were infringed anyway.

    It's all the Big Lie on their part.

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    1. Re:Why The RIAA Has No Case by Sechr+Nibw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is being downloaded by RIAA's unlicensed PI firm. Does that count?

  22. Re:Maybe capitalism really does promote darwanism by sm62704 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't see why anyone would make that assumption. The larger the group, the more intelligent people will be in that group, and the higher the likelyhood that some of them will be exceptionally intelligent.

    But by the same token, the larger the group, the more idiots will be in that group, and the higher the likelyhood that some of them will be exceptionally stupid.

    That also follows for competence.

    The larger the group, the greater the need for organization. Above a certain critical limit, the bureaucracy bogs the effectiveness down.

    But I don't see how this applies to evolution.

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  23. A humorous solution by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In collecting evidence for those takedown notices, Media Sentry investigators do not usually download suspect music files. Instead, the company uses special software to check the "hash," a sort of unique digital fingerprint, of each offered file to verify that it is identical to a copyrighted song file in the RIAA's database. In the rare cases in which the hashes don't match, the investigators download the song and use a software program sold by Audible Magic to compare the sound waves of the offered audio file against those of the song it may be infringing upon. If the Audible Magic software still doesn't turn up a match, then a live person will listen to the song. So they have to check popular songs audibly if they don't match their automated tests. It is quite likely that RIAA pays Mediasentry for work hourly or files searched. So I had an idea and propose we need the following tools: microphones, bored people, and lots of computers to host.

    1) Figure out what music is currently quite popular.
    2) Make your own covers of it without instruments. Sing both the lyrics and the melody with interpretive musicianship. The worse it sounds, the better.
    3) Host as the file name.
    4) ????
    5) Waste their time!

    IANAL but I don't think you could get in trouble for posting fake songs up. Technically, you could claim you're helping fight piracy while making Mediasentry's job harder. I imagine the in worst case they ask you to cease and desist. Perhaps someone more versed in law can say if this is valid.

    Another option could be to simply use the band's name and make up fake songs with similar names to original songs with fictitious lyrics. This would replace step 2. Granted I believe they are solely looking for song titles.
    Ben Folds - Rocking the Penguin
    Beastie Boys - Ubuntu in Effect
    Whitney Houston - OSX will save the day
    1. Re:A humorous solution by Thelasko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That would only play right into their hand. The network would become useless because someone searching for songs by Amy Winehouse will receive thousands of hits for files of idiots humming the song "Rehab" instead.

      You are correct that the easiest way to defeat the methods they deploy is to flood them with garbage, but how is the casual user supposed to filter out the garbage without The Man doing the same?

      The closest analogue I can think of would be currency. The Treasury Department changes the design every few years because it takes a while for counterfeiters to, reverse engineer, develop copy techniques, and perfect methods for mass production. By the time that's complete a new bill is in circulation.

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  24. Harvard anyone? by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I seem to recall reading somewhere that Harvard has never been hit with one of these RIAA money grabs. Most probable reason being that there is enough talent there to rip the RIAA to tiny ribbon sized shreds in front of the judge, which would pretty much end their extortion racket.

    So, does that still hold true? Anybody at Harvard ever been hit with one of these?

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    1. Re:Harvard anyone? by SlickNic · · Score: 5, Informative

      Harvard has yet to see a single take down notice or legal action seeking the identity of someone on the Harvard network as of 5-02-2008. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/05/riaa-says-harva.html

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    2. Re:Harvard anyone? by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      duh - smart people who can afford good lawyers - that's the last group the RIAA wants to annoy.

    3. Re:Harvard anyone? by es330td · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My cousin is a student at the University of Texas in Austin and received (and paid) an RIAA extortion letter. Given that the UT Law school is often considered one of the very top schools for Constitutional law I really don't think that fear of the faculty is much of a factor in the RIAA's decision making process.

    4. Re:Harvard anyone? by neapolitan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Recently living on campus (you can see some of my previous posts.)

      Piracy quite rampant just like any other university, and the students have rarely been served although it does happen.

      I agree that they figure high-profile university lawsuits are bad publicity, and Harvard does have many young lawyers anxious for a big win, and will not be easily intimidated, which is half of what the RIAA game is about.

      Several of the Harvard students I know have a method of sharing files via a VPN type construct (wasn't really heavily encrypted though, only member-authenticated IIRC), protected from the RIAA / internet. If several hundred people share their music, that is quite a collection. These "clubs" exist, and are very hard to find.

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    5. Re:Harvard anyone? by EdelFactor19 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      are you kidding me? harvard has the largest endowment of any school. most people going there arent strapped for cash, and from what I've read most receive aid too. either the family has more money than you know what to do with, or the students often get financial aid.. in any event harvard is not one of the most expensive ivy's based us news & world reports reviews and numerous other publications.

      if you are going to harvard shouldn't you be smart enough not to have a family you can't afford to support? or conversely have a solid plan on how you will (where harvard is a key part of it).

      if you have to hope that your future earnings are enough (as opposed to know) then maybe you shouldnt be there eh? I would have thought that anyone who is deemed worthy of going there would be intelligent enough to understand /appreciate the inherent value of the investment in a 'harvard' education. mind you i didnt go there; but for any top tier school in that echelon if you didn't "know" that you were going to come out ahead either from common sense, in general or a risk/benefit analysis you really shouldn't have gotten in.

      and since i'll likely hear a retort about a comedic exageration; look at the bright side.. diploma's can double as extremely expensive toilet paper.

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    6. Re:Harvard anyone? by EdelFactor19 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      say what you will but somehow I'd imagine the industry is more afraid of the combination of happy to volunteer law students, alumnae, professors etc of harvard than UT austin; not to mention the extremely large bankroll and wealth in the general population there. the other question of interest is where did the top brass / lawyers for MAFIAA get their degrees.

      going lawsuit happy on the alma mater isn't usually looked upon to well. especially when on avarage harvard grads are a lot more likely to spend a whole lot more on MAFIAA products than the "average" UT grad. key word average. Plenty of great students and some great departments at UT, I may go there for grad work but as a whole? Although I do realize that UT Austin has one of the largest endowments (ifnot larget) for a public school.

      but then again its not whats true as much as what "popular stereotypical belief" is.

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  25. Make your own song by ninjapiratemonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1) record your own song
    2) rename it as a popular song: eg. Madonna - 4 Minutes
    3) they download it after it fails hash check
    4) sue them for copyright infringement
    5) ?
    6) Profit!

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    1. Re:Make your own song by Shagg · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not copyright infringement if you're distributing your own material.

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  26. Re:Maybe capitalism really does promote darwanism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Money obtained by legal civil settlements is 100% tax free, because its considered making up for a loss, as opposed to "true" revenue.

    The RIAA has it good. Judges love them and rubber-stamp their motions in courts, they have the ear of the politicians, and every dime coming in is tax free, heading to their legal team's Maybach fund.

  27. Entrap them right back. by Rockoon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Put your own copyrghted material up, but name it the same as something that they are looking for. Let their cronies download it in their "validation" sweep (the article didnt actualy say that they validate??) Immediately have someone else download your copyrighted material from them. Instant lawsuit against the RIAA, am I right?

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  28. Re:Maybe capitalism really does promote darwanism by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The indies (and the gasoline and food companies) are eating their lunch. Most of us have only so many dollars to spend. If I buy four $5 CDs from the band that plays at the bar (professionally recorded and duplicated, with art and packaging) that's twenty dollars I don't have to buy an RIAA CD.


    I agree. In addition, this is one big reason why their "lost sales" calculations are huge stinking loads of bull manure. The RIAA figures that 1 song downloaded (regardless of the legality of the download) equals one sale not made which means that much revenue not put in their pockets. You could easily use the same reasoning to prove that Indie labels cost the record labels money. Or that food store sales cost the record companies money. Or that oil companies cost the record companies money.

    Hey, there's an idea. Pit the Big Oil companies against the Big Record Companies/RIAA. Two Companies Enter! One leaves! We won't really be cheering for a winner so much as cheering for one of the companies to be beaten to a pulp.
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  29. college safety and reviews by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "We find what we find..." suggests that many schools do a better job of protecting their students from predators like RIAA, either by IT means, enforcement or policies. Perhaps we should be posting such valuable insights about IT safety at places like CollegeConfidential. e.g. "College X had 14 students mugged by the RIAA last year." Also it would be interesting to find out if any of the suicides or beserkers had RIAA extortion letters.

    Although some kids may need to reign in their activities, the RIAA methods' technological and litigation basis are unsound and dangerous. RIAA and their overlords need to be made recipocally accountable with the colleges taking more responsibility too.

  30. Deception? by cipher_null · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wouldn't be surprised if they "leaked" this article to misinform people to their detection methods. If you think this is their whole routine, then you let your guard down on other levels. Or it could be directed at Limewire. What better way to take out adversaries than "focus fire them"? "We find people using scripting methods mining Limewire data". People shy away from Limewire. /dust off hands Well one down.

  31. I'm glad I don't need to worry about the RIAA... by Doug52392 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... because I hate all current music! That's the last thing I'd download, the latest pop or rock song! The MPAA, however.........

  32. Re:If you P2P then use protection. by number11 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Peerguardian

    Peerguardian is better than nothing. But not by a lot. It maybe keeps the MafIAA from spotting you from their own IP address, but sometimes they neglect to inform PG when the IP numbers change. The MafIAA is perfectly capable of getting online via their local cable system (or one in Russia, for that matter, the tubes go everywhere), or registering a domain under an assumed name, or doing it from their mom's basement.

  33. What, NEVER? No. NEVER! Well, hardly ever. by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "In collecting evidence for those takedown notices, Media Sentry investigators do not usually download suspect music files. Instead, the company uses special software to check the "hash," a sort of unique digital fingerprint, of each offered file to verify that it is identical to a copyrighted song file in the RIAA's database. In the rare cases in which the hashes don't match, the investigators download the song and use a software program sold by Audible Magic to compare the sound waves of the offered audio file against those of the song it may be infringing upon. If the Audible Magic software still doesn't turn up a match, then a live person will listen to the song."

    In other words, they do not engage in unauthorized downloading and copyright infringement. Except when they do. Because they what sounds to them like a really good rationalization for their behavior.

    Which is exactly what their victims do.

    If the RIAA being straight arrows, they'd forego the downloading in those "rare" cases. Why is it so important to nail these "rare" that they will compromise their own principles?

    Perhaps, if the truth were known, those "rare" cases aren't really all that rare.

  34. Re:Maybe capitalism really does promote darwanism by reebmmm · · Score: 2, Informative
    Good thing that you're not my accountant. That's just bad legal and tax advice.

    As far as I know, taxation of civil judgments is common. Certain awards are probably excluded from income, but not to the extent you seem to think so.

    A quick google search has at least one law firm saying exactly this: Taxation of Legal Damages:

    Damage awards are generally taxable if they were intended to compensate the taxpayer as follows: compensation for lost wages or profits; punitive damages, even if they relate to a physical injury or sickness; amounts received in settlement of pension rights when the taxpayer did not contribute to the plan; interest on any award; damages for patent or copyright infringement, breach of contract, or interference with business operations; and back pay and damages for emotional distress received under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
  35. The 3 key points in the article by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative
    To my mind the key points in the article are:

    1. MediaSentry is a customer of Audible Magic software, the software in which Dr. Jacobson has an indirect financial interest, and uses Audible Magic software as part of its investigation. So when Dr. Jacobson testifies about how reliable MediaSentry is, he's talking about his customer, and when he testified that he doesn't know what their procedures are, he was lying.

    2. The software process used by MediaSentry differs markedly from the way Richard Gabriel has sought to describe it in his representations to various courts.

    3. Cara Duckworth, the RIAA's spokesperson, admits that

    the RIAA can tell only when a song is being offered for users to illegally download; investigators have no way of knowing when someone else is actually downloading the song.
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  36. Re:Shouldn't the riaa publish the list. by morari · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wouldn't want to accidentally infringe on their members copyrights would you? Yes, I would. I just don't plan on ever being caught doing it. ;)
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