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Comparing 3G Networks

bsk_cw writes "Brian Nadel got hold of cellular network cards from AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon, and tried them out with a Lenovo ThinkPad X300 notebook. He watched videos on commuter trains, worked with e-mail at cafes, listened to Internet radio at the airport, and downloaded large files while in a moving car. AT&T came out on top in his tests in the New York area (summary here). Some of the reader comments report different conclusions, so a YMMV is in order."

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  1. 5GiB, $60 by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It seems like the high end is $60-$80 with a 5GiB cap. ATT and Sprint have lower end plans with a insane limit of 4-5MiB, Verizon 50MiB.

    The lower end plans seem so limited as to be useless. How much Google maps usage can you fit into 4MiB before it is $1-8 per extra MiB?

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    1. Re:5GiB, $60 by mrbluze · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is there much prospect of the price of wireless broadband becoming affordable? It's very irritating to have ubuquitous technology that practically nobody can afford (or is willing to spend that kind of money) to use.

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    2. Re:5GiB, $60 by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 4, Informative

      Is there much prospect of the price of wireless broadband becoming affordable? It's very irritating to have ubuquitous technology that practically nobody can afford (or is willing to spend that kind of money) to use. You can get unlimited data and text and 500 minutes of voice for $30/month on Sprint if you get the plan that's been floating around a lot of Hot Deals forums across the net for the last year. You can get it, for instance, with the HTC Mogul, which acts as a wireless router (with modding) to allow however many laptops you have nearby to access the net. In my area speeds are around 800 kbps because we don't have great coverage here. The Mogul also has GPS (works great with Google Maps for live satellite views of your location) and gives you your choice of iPhone style 2 finger zooming in Opera (with modding) or (my preference) single tap zooming.

      In summary, there are cheap, good plans out there, but they're quasi-secret.
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    3. Re:5GiB, $60 by corsec67 · · Score: 3, Informative

      AT&T is indeed sold in GiB/MiB:"1,024 kilobytes (KB) = 1 megabyte (MB)" from http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/popup/dataconnect-comp-table.jsp#laptopconnect

      Sprint: yes, from http://nextelonline.nextel.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml

      Verizon: yes, from http://b2b.vzw.com/broadband/bba_terms.html

      So, yes, they are all sold in binary units, and the SI prefixes are incorrectly used here.

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  2. IF you have ATT DSL you use there hot spots free.. by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 4, Informative

    and that cost a lot less.

  3. What's the lag? by MBCook · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My big question would be: what's the lag?

    The last time I tried to use a cell network for internet access, the lag was horrid (300+ms) compared to real broadband. How is the lag on these systems? I'd rather have the responsive 450kbps connection than the unresponsive 1.5mbps connection.

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    1. Re:What's the lag? by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've got an AT&T Tilt (HTC Tytan II) with HSDPA/3G/EDGE/GSM/etc and depending on where I am and what network, I get wildly different results. These is by using the bluetooth internet sharing with my MacbookPro in OSX or using USB internet sharing with my Ubuntu Linux Vaio:

      Location / ping to google.com / max download speed
      At my dad's house in NJ / ~400-800ms / ~65K/sec
      NJTransit Train in NJ / ~80-90ms / ~110/sec
      NJX Airport / ~40-50ms / ~120K/sec
      In Brooklyn / ~70-80ms / ~120K/sec
      In Manhattan / ~40-50ms / ~120K/sec

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    2. Re:What's the lag? by Bronster · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nice call, Captain Lightspeed

  4. Does anyone see the connection here? by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Philadelphia's muniWiFi network goes dead next month when Earthlink pulls the plug.

    Oddly, the telcos start allowing metered access of their 3G networks; no all-you-can-eat plans anymore. In megabyte increments in one case.....

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  5. It wasn't a fair comparison by letsief · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't think the reviewer did a very fair comparison. Most significantly, he should have used similar data cards- preferably using cards over USB. The AT&T and Verizon cards were larger, and probably able to pick up weaker signals better. They also included built-in batteries, which greatly impacted the laptop battery life test.

    I'm also a little skeptical of his bandwidth testing method. I've never heard the Alken site, and the tests I did right now on my own system aren't even close to my actual performance (although, maybe they're justing getting slammed with traffic). It would have been interesting to see if signal strength played a factor as well.

    In any case, most people I've heard from have had exactly the opposite results. Usually Sprint is the fastest, with Verizon not far behind and AT&T bringing up the rear. Sprint also has considerably more 3G coverage than the other two carriers. Without saying anything about their customer service, I think Sprint is the clear choice when it comes to data plans.

    1. Re:It wasn't a fair comparison by general_re · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm also a little skeptical of his bandwidth testing method. I've never heard the Alken site, and the tests I did right now on my own system aren't even close to my actual performance (although, maybe they're justing getting slammed with traffic).

      Why would you choose a server in Norway to test the speed of a wireless connection in New York anyway? Are we testing the speed of the actual wireless network, or the peering arrangements for each provider across the North Atlantic?

      Seems to me that you'd want to pick something a little closer, so as to test the actual speed of the provider's network, rather than the speed of the connection to Norway or South Africa or Mars or wherever. Alken just benchmarked my home connection at 1.6 Mbit down. Speakeasy's Washington DC speed test server clocked me at 23.7 Mbit down - which one do you think is a better reading of my ISP's actual performance?

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    2. Re:It wasn't a fair comparison by kylehase · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Absolutely correct. If you wanted to isolate the wireless connection as the variable then each provider should setup their own download server on their network. It would be in their interest to use a beefy server and place it optimally on the network for wireless downloads.

      For an even more controlled test you'd need to use the same server hardware and same application layer protocols on each network.

      Unfortunately, while this would be a great test for wireless transfer speed it's not a good test of actual browsing/downloading.

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  6. Crowdsourcing the Data by DavidD_CA · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe something already exists, but wouldn't it be cool if there was some kind of app that people could install on their laptops that would upload metrics to a central server and make it available to review?

    The app could tie into the 3G card and pull your approximate location, your carrier, and your average speed and upload it all to a server. As long as it doesn't also upload personal data, or your IP, etc, I can't foresee privacy issues (and it would be opt-in anyway).

    With enough people running an app like this, the data could come together quite nicely and allow people to view a map overlayed with the different networks and average performance.

    And I bet such a site could be supported by ad revenue. (3: Profit)

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  7. ATT 3G...how much did they pay for that article? by knutsdood · · Score: 5, Informative

    As an IT manager for a consulting business, 80% of my workforce is on the road 80% of the year. Broadband cards are absolutely critical to our success. We field test all over the nation and offer all three options. Our people have decided on 2 Verizon cards, 6 dozen Sprint cards and nobody has opted for the ATT card.

    Our consultants are regularly in NYC, Philly, Houston, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, Seattle, Vancouver and Dallas.

    If it helps anybody, Sprint is weak in New Jersey and parts of the Dallas area. Verizon picks up New Jersey nicely and this is where both of our Verizon cards are primarily deployed. Verizon and ATT are both not superior in Dallas so perhaps something else makes them all less than perfect.

    One last thing...as soon as iPhone 2.0 comes out, and sells like hotcakes, the ATT network is going to be overburdened...you watch.