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Online Quiz As a Gateway to P2P

Andy Guess points out an interesting approach taken by a Missouri university to limiting (and limiting legal exposure because of) on-campus, on-line copyright violations, as described at Inside Higher Ed: "In order to download (or upload) files on any peer-to-peer network whatsoever, all on-campus users at Missouri S&T have to pass an online quiz on copyright infringement. But not just once. Passing the test — with a perfect score — enables peer-to-peer access for six hours on the user's on-campus registered machines."

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  1. Are there ways around it? by The+Ancients · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long before some smart kids come up with a script to automatically complete the quiz? (and possibly sell it to fellow students)

  2. What a lost opportunity by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    all on-campus users at Missouri S&T have to pass an online quiz on copyright infringement

    If I headed this university, I'd make my students take quizzes on math, chemistry, physics and whatever else the university teaches, to get access to P2P. I mean, if they want their music bad enough, they'd have a great incentive to do well at school.

    But quizzes on copyright infringement? talk about brainwashing. As if they had nothing more productive to cram their brains with. Sheesh... On top of it, it's a trap: if a student is caught downloading illegal material, he can't claim ignorance.

    All in all, a rotten idea that could have been a great one. You can feel the twisted minds of **AA execs behind this sorry scheme...

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  3. Re:48 hours a month by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That sound you heard was 1500 students going to another university this fall.

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  4. And I love the illogic applied by them. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From TFA:

    "Based on the amount of grumbling it's actually working pretty well," Lutzen said.
    Are they referring to an increase in complaints or a reduction?

    I have taken many tests and I have found that getting a perfect score is not so much about knowing the material as about knowing the expectations of the person who wrote the test.

    True or false: Copyright infringement is stealing?
    The answer would vary depending upon how well the person "grading" the test understood "stealing" and "copyright infringement" and your local, state and national laws.

    1. Re:And I love the illogic applied by them. by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One was along the lines of Q: Downloading software is A: okay/bad.

      And that's what makes this so silly. Downloading software is usually just fine. It's knowingly downloading applications that you don't have permission/license to run on your computer is bad. Yet, for many people any time an application is downloaded off the Internet, it's bad (be it for copywrite infringement, fear of viruses, whatever).

      There's just this blanket fear of software that doesn't come off a CD-Rom that demonstrates the ignorance of so many people, including, sadly, system administrators.

      In the same tone, there's this blanket view of P2P that it's all bad. Now, I won't argue that much, if not most of p2p traffic isn't to share copywrited materials. But there's still enough legitimate traffic to make it a protocol worth keeping around. If there wasn't such a negitive connotation with P3P, a heck of a lot of bandwidth could be saved on the corporate end (imagine using torrents to distribute television programs offered for free viewing from a major television network)

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  5. Re:test eh? by cjb658 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've got a better idea: let's require everyone to pass a test before using the internet at all.

    (brb, selling MySpace stock)

  6. Re:Question 1 by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly, these questions that will surely be asked on the test will try to make it seem like copyright infringement is stealing as much as 2+2=4 rather then asking a moral question that can be taken either way. I am surprised to see that whenever a professor expresses views that might be objectionable the media attacks them, but with "piracy" they seem to make it seem like it is stealing when it clearly is not.

    If the question is why is stealing bad, the answer would be that the person being stolen from doesn't have what got stolen. For example if someone stole your car, the bad part wouldn't be that someone has a new car but rather you don't have a car. With piracy though its the opposite, for downloading a song no one has any less songs as they can be copied and you have a new song, the RIAA seem to punish the fact you have a new song rather then the infinite supply of songs is running out. This seems to beg the question, if we can ever create a replicator that will make a perfect copy of things without doing any harm to the original will making a new item be called stealing? Because, has history is showing us, in a way that already has happened just with music and not physical goods.

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  7. Re:Yeah, everyone will answer that quiz honestly. by veganboyjosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I didn't get the cognitive dissonance angle at all from this. I figured it's more like one of those waivers you have to sign at things like rock climbing gyms, or high risk activities, where you don't just sign your name at the end of a stack of papers, but you initial every paragraph. I've even seen one where I had to rewrite by hand an entire paragraph about how I wouldn't sue the place if I got injured, etc.

    If they include this quiz, and only allow users who score 100%, then maybe the network can't be held responsible for copyright infringement, since they've screened for users who don't know what's off limits.

  8. Re:Yeah, everyone will answer that quiz honestly. by cp.tar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So how did "Click here if you're over 18, we can't allow access to kids" cognitive dissonance work?
    A blazing success, I hear.

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  9. Re:Question 1 by susano_otter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you exercise a privilege to which you are not entitled, you negate the value of the privilege for those who are entitled to it.

    Law, and custom, dicate that the creator of an artistic work is entitled to the privilege of sole distribution rights to that work, and sole rights to profit from the distribution of that work. When you appropriate that work without their permission, they no longer have the privilege granted to them by law. You are, in fact, taking something away from them.

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  10. Re:Question 1 by orclevegam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you appropriate that work without their permission, they no longer have the privilege granted to them by law. You are, in fact, taking something away from them. Which is of course an illegal act with a specific name of copyright infringement. It is not stealing as that applies to physical goods. Depriving a person of a right is not stealing that right from them as by definition it's impossible to "steal" a right. Normally I wouldn't argue semantics, but in this case it's a valid point because of the extreme social stigma attached to theft. I don't think anyone is arguing over the legality of copyright infringement (or stealing for that matter), what's under question however is the morality of it. Even more to the point, is the question of whether all copyright infringement is immoral, or only some, or only in certain quantities. Would downloading a copy of last weeks sitcoms because you were busy and missed seeing them carry the same weight as downloading a couple CDs because you want to listen to them? What about downloading an artists entire library? Is it less moral to download an independent artist CDs versus those of a major record label?
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  11. Catch 22 by Hoplite3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This reminds me of "The Great Loyalty Oath Crusade" in Catch 22, where all of the pilots had to sign a loyalty oath to the USA at each meal, before each briefing, before take-off, and so on.

    Yosarian points out that all that signing makes the oath meaningless. No one reads it or considers it, they do it like they wipe their nose. Catch 22 has a lot to teach us.

    Even if I believed in intellectual property (which I don't), I would think this was a silly thing.

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  12. Re:test eh? by SMS_Design · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Funny how question #4 doesn't differentiate between open/free music and commercial record-label music. The answer could be either C or D.

    Well, I suppose it could be A or B depending on weird screwed-up license terms.