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Black Holes Don't Trap Information Forever
sciencehabit writes "New calculations suggest that black holes are not a one-way street. Anything that falls into them may eventually come out. The findings lend important support to quantum gravity, but fly in the face of Einsteinian relativity. They also support Stephen Hawking's reluctant admission that information couldn't be destroyed by black holes. Penn State researcher Ahbay Ashtekar was quoted saying, 'Once we realized that the notion of space-time as a continuum is only an approximation of reality, it became clear to us that singularities are merely artifacts of our insistence that space-time should be described as a continuum.' Let the physics infighting begin."
So I can't even wipe my drives by throwing them into a black hole?!? Grumble... (fires up microwave)
Science advances one funeral at a time- Max Planck
My patent on garbage disposal using blackholes is now worthless.
Its just that the simulator for this universe has a cell-size, so anything below a plank length is just being approximated to speed up the calculations.
Wow, I can't wait to see how the writers of The Big Bang Theory will use this new theory to move Leonard's and Penny's love story along. Maybe Sheldon will make an oblique reference to it?
God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
Does that mean that there's the slightest probability to unsee goatse and live a normal life again?
It is a pity that, after they fire up the Large Hadron Collider, we won't survive to hear Hawking's reluctant admission that tiny black holes don't evaporate.
Also, $100 on Kaku. I don't know why, but I suspect he knows jujutsu....
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>> Couldn't quantisation just be an artifact of a closed universe i.e. standing wave modes in a finitely sized continuum ?
Yes, however, I think the more critical questions are:
Who put the bomp in the bomp bah bomp bah bomp?
Who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong?
Who put the bop in the bop shoo bop shoo bop?
Who put the dip in the dip da dip da dip?
Let me propose the newest addition to the laws of thermodynamics:
Information can not be destroyed.
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09F91102 no, 455FE104 nope, F190A1E8 uh-uh, 7A5F8A09 that's not it, C87294CE no. Ah! 452F6E403CDF10714E41DFAA257D313F.
The quantum unit of information is a "ficton".
The rest of the jokes write themselves.
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So, then, once you go black... you can go back?
In 1687, Isaac Newton wrote is Principia, which defined about half of calculus, and all of Newtonian physics - defining laws of both gravity, and inertia. It is understandable, then with no understanding of quantum mechanics at all, that he did not explicitly mention quantum monkeys at all.
Maxwell then went on to explain Ether as a medium through which light traveled in 1878, later being disproved in 1881 by Michelson, and laying the groundwork for the discovery of quantum monkeys though the discovery of constant velocity light.
This was established as mathematically sound in Einstein's theory of special relativity in 1905. General relativity, which explained gravitational effects on light and particles/waves moving fractionally close to the speed of light, was finally established in 1915 by Hilbert and Einstein, surprisingly without mention of quantum monkeys, despite all indications.
Because of this work, as well as the basics of quantum mechanics established by Einstein, various scientists were able to find the six quarks: Up, Down, Top, Bottom, Charmed and Strange, the last (top) only having been confirmed in a laboratory in 1995. Strangely, however, none of the various experiments which identified quarks also identified quantum monkeys, which would have been readily observable through their quantum-picking-fleas-off-other-quantum-monkey gatherings.
The first of these discoveries, in the early 1960s made possible a formalization of a unified model in 1970-73 of four fundamental forces, three of which can be unified mathematically under one theory and with particles that are at least indirectly observable (electromagnetic, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear), and a fourth which doesn't quite fit (gravity). Despite these obvious problems, no one started looking at the quantum banana-eating by quantum monkeys as a possible unifying factor.
To establish a unified theory including gravity, scientists are currently using strings, rather than monkeys, as a unifying element. However, the majority of these theories are neither testable nor useful for the advancement of mankind. None of them so much as mention quantum poo, or postulate that quantum monkeys could have thrown it.
To this day, the world waits for scientists start to seek out the quantum monkeys that have so long waited for proper credit to be given to them for unifying quantum forces. So we wait still, a working unified theory still out of our grasp.
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...but fly in the face of Einsteinian relativity.
Sounds like God is a little grumpy about Einstein's letter coming out.
and the event horizon of Chuck Norris is infinity.
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That means I'm gonna get my missing-paired socks back!
Table-ized A.I.
Does that mean that there's the slightest probability to unsee goatse and live a normal life again?
Then we could relive the sinister joy of exposing you to it for the first time over and over.
Table-ized A.I.
First I learn Newton is only an approximation...now even Einstein...is only an approximation as well. Will the real reality please reveal itself!
Here ya go
Table-ized A.I.
So... it's a Planck-truth?
It's turtles all the way down :)
hilarious
Hah! That pretty much describes all the science classes I've ever taken. First day of class always went something like this "Just kidding all that hard work you did was actually pointless. This is hows the universe "actually" works. *snicker*"
I may agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to face the consequences of saying it.
I can get the information back from /dev/null. My compression scheme does work. Time to take over the world!
But if you live in a 3-d world then having a bunch of 2-d simmulations is like have a ream of paper. 500 sheets of paper stack up nicely and consume very little of our 3-d world.
in 6-d our 3-d world is a trivial piece of it and computers can easily simmulate it.
No the problem is that there's not an algebraic solution to any polynomial greater than fifth order. Thus they wind up having to numerically approximate the mappings from 6D and this has round off errors from the finite bit floating point representation in Exel 6D.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
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Table-ized A.I.
Ok- mind representing one hundred duotrigintillion * 2^32,582,657-1 for me real quick? Thanks ;)
What they mean, obviously, is that the information is released once the copyright runs out.
Due to the researcher's quote, I move this story be tagged "thereisnospoon" . Join me! :)
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That's sarcasm, dammit! Or humor. Irony is someone being pedantic and critical on slashdot in response to a minor misuse of language.
Wait...nevermind...
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according to the accuracy of measurement
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Fnord.
walking the plank?
No, irony is ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife.
Understanding the entire universe is kind of like knowing every human being that ever lived and will be born, except that every human being that ever lived and will ever be born are only a teeny tiny fraction of one of the infinite number of planets in the universe itself.
mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
So the universe isn't so complex after all: it simply runs on a Pentium.
(proposition of formula describing the structure of the Universe)
"I have a truly marvelous proof of this proposition which this text box is too narrow to contain."
The Hacker's Guide To The Kernel: Don't panic()!
He used a Pentium computer. Running Windows.
mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
if two particles are quantum-entangled, and you separate them, they remain entangled and you can monitor the state of one using the other. (Although I never understood what happens when one particle is accelerated to near light speed: how do two particles on different time scales stay connected?)
So now drop one particle of the pair into a black hole.
If they remain entangled, then you clearly have a way to pass information out of the black hole (although time may be stretched so it's not instantaneous anymore). This breaks known physics.
If their entanglement is broken off, then it means the gravitation boundary of a black hole trumps quantum entanglement. But that breaks known physics.
I'll take questions from the audience now. Yes, Dr Kip Thorne?
Thorne: You bastard.
I think you just did!
Totally hawt babe: Hi! What's up?
Scientist: Uh.. I have the results of our latest cultural analysis.
Totally hawt babe: Yeah that's why I'm here! What's next for me?
Scientist: Well.. we have to have a one night stand. Possibly two nights, the data is currently a bit unclear.
Totally hawt babe: Let me see that!
Scientist: You know that's against the rules! Security! Take this woman to my living quarters!
which is totally what she said
At a ballgame recently, everyone was doing the Wave except for one group of physicists. They were doing the Particle.