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Cognition Enhancer Research

oschobero writes to tell us the Economist has a look at pharmaceutical research as it applies to cognition enhancers. While the research is obviously focused on things like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and schizophrenia, the resulting drugs may also have a benefit to healthy minds. "Provigil and Ritalin really do enhance cognition in healthy people. Provigil, for example, adds the ability to remember an extra digit or so to an individual's working memory (most people can hold seven random digits in their memory, but have difficulty with eight). It also improves people's performance in tests of their ability to plan. Because of such positive effects on normal people, says the report, there is growing use of these drugs to stave off fatigue, help shift-workers, boost exam performance and aid recovery from the effects of long-distance flights."

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  1. what has been seen... by bersl2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Paradoxically, another glutamate-booster, D-cycloserine, is being tested not to enhance memory, but to abolish it. The paradox is resolved because unlearning (or "extinction", in neurological parlance) is a process similar in its details to learning.

    By binding to certain glutamate receptors, D-cycloserine selectively enhances extinction, suppressing the effects of conditioned associations such as anxiety, addiction and phobias. According to Dr Robbins, experiments have shown that if a rat is given a cue that it previously associated with fear at the same time as it receives D-cycloserine, the bad memory can be eliminated. Not only may this help remove unpleasant memories... Does this mean that people might be able to unsee things *coughgoatsecough*
    1. Re:what has been seen... by Bryansix · · Score: 2, Funny

      Eternal Sunshine on the Spotless Mind.

  2. Provigil. by Bob+of+Dole · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've taking Provigil. It's an amazing and weird drug.

    On the one hand, It helps endlessly with functioning while sleepy. As a chronic insomniac, I'm never THAT awake, but after two hours of sleep and a provigil, I'm awake enough to drive and take exams. It doesn't even keep you up after it wears off, something every other sleep aid or wake aid I've ever taken does. It avoids the problem of body/mind disconnect, you're AWAKE, not brain awake/body tired or body awake/brain sleepy.

    On the other, it has an effect I can only describe as "positional". You can still tell that you're tired, but you only feel it in one part of your head, kinda towards the lower-right-back area. And yes, that's insane.
    What's weirder is that if you get a headache while on provigil, you'll feel it in that area too. It's kinda like it's turned off your brain's natural "error reporting" that tells you you're tired/headachey, but it doesn't do it for the whole brain.
    I also had some nasty experiences in the bathroom while on it. That's definitely a downside. (Wee, rather than being late for class because I can't wake up I'm late for class because I'm stuck in the bathroom)

    I only used it for about two weeks (despite the above praise, it didn't help with my main problem), but I'd definitely use it again if I had the chance. There's enough times where I've not gotten enough sleep for one reason or another but I really have to be at work the next day that it'd be quite handy to have around.

    1. Re:Provigil. by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've taking Provigil.

      That's a great first sentence to promote a cognition-enhancing drug.

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    2. Re:Provigil. by Bob+of+Dole · · Score: 2, Funny

      ugh. Well, I'm not taking it now, so naturally I'M SLEEPY!

    3. Re:Provigil. by Banquo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I just started on a "neurotropics regimen" and one of the things I'm taking is modalert (cheap provigil) I've been taking that and other standard stuff (ginko, B-complex, amino's, dhea, C, etc..) for about 5 days @100MG/day.

      It's pushed that "post lunch drowsy need a nap" feeling back to about 7pm, and by then I'm up and around (not behind the desk)so there's no worries. My focus is better during the day. Haven't gotten any headaches but most people use 200mg a day from what I read. I've also noticed that I'm in a better overall mood. (of course with me tired=grumpy so...)

      I get roughly 5-6 hours of sleep a night and have had no issues at all. I did notice the "You know you're tired, but you don't think/act like you're tired" thing and yeah it's really odd. But I found that if you add a Monster Coffee in the morning it REALLY boosts the whole effect and the "ghost tiredness" is lessened a lot.

      Wired had an Article on "smart drugs" and they did a reader survey.

    4. Re:Provigil. by DCGaymer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I recently started taking Provigil for fatigue issues related to another condition. Without a doubt....I'm certainly more alert....but it does not help with fatigue. If you're tired and taking Provigil, you're simply going to be tired and awake. NOT a good combo. It's not a great panacea cure all .....but it does help make a formerly dysfunctional person a bit more functional. As mentioned above...it will give you a headache. It does me. They're worse in the beginning but seem to taper off to a mild headache as the weeks goes by. It's an unusual headache that Ibuprofen doesn't seem to really take the edge off of.

  3. Ritalin is a great study drug. by urbanriot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've used it before and it increased cognition considerably, especially when I was tired and figured I'd have a wasteful night of studying. If I have less than 8 hours sleep, I have difficulty focusing on a single source at one time, and studying is impossible. Ritalin has helped me micro-focus, and not just cram for exams but actually learn topics. If I had a steady source of Ritalin, or a doctor that 'played ball', I might consider experimenting with it more often.

    1. Re:Ritalin is a great study drug. by Original+Replica · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ritalin has helped me micro-focus, and not just cram for exams but actually learn topics.

      I was prescribed Ritalin throughout grade school for ADD by the end of freshman year of college I decided to stop taking it because I had learned to "fake" the cognitive effects. Ritalin takes effect so quickly, that I was able to perceive the difference and use that to learn ways to be almost as effective, but without the drug. 14 years later I still have ADD but can function pretty normally because of what I learned with Ritalin. I have to wonder if the same thing could be done with Provigil, learn the thought patterns that give you the increased cognition, but eventually have the benifit without the drug.

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    2. Re:Ritalin is a great study drug. by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ritalin is methylphenidate. Speed is amphetamine (and sometimes methamphetamine, but that more commonly goes by other names). They work in different ways and have different effects.

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    3. Re:Ritalin is a great study drug. by hkmarks · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Cocaine, (meth)amphetamines, and methylphenidate actually have rather similar effects. They all boost dopamine. Ritalin is much slower acting, has a longer half-life, and is much less potent, and I think it has some other effects. Some kids crush and snort Ritalin for a cocaine-like high, and it's nicknamed "kiddie coke" IIRC. One of my junior high teachers told us she used to sell her pills when she was in school. I don't think addictiveness or anything have been fully studied. I was going to write a research paper on the subject a while ago, but I had trouble finding sources.

      I actually took Ritalin for a while in high school. It didn't do me much good, though it might now that I understand how it works. I wish I could try it again, knowing better, but of course it takes 8 months to get an appointment with my doctor.

      I've been taking melatonin for a little while to get myself to sleep (at a reasonable hour). The effect is so much better than any other sleeping pill I've tried that it's hard to believe. Feeling sleepy without feeling bone tired is so much more pleasant than feeling bone tired and drowsy, but not sleepy.

    4. Re:Ritalin is a great study drug. by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My dad takes melatonin for insomnia. It's made him much easier to be around, though he is almost always in bed by 8:30pm.

      I have a somewhat opposite issue. If I stop moving much and don't have to pay close attention to something active, I stand a good chance of falling asleep. I don't have this issue while driving, eating, typing, or reading websites, which tend to change on a rapid basis (switching tabs, browsing to new sites, etc), but reading books or sitting down to watch TV is difficult for me -- I can be out in a few minutes of TV, or in less than a page of a book. This makes studying and reading technical books -- already not terribly exciting -- tremendously difficult for me. I've been pondering asking about modafinil for about two years now to deal with it, but that means making an appointment with the doctor, and while it's not difficult to get in to see him, it's inconvenient, and so I keep putting it off.

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    5. Re:Ritalin is a great study drug. by Jaime2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First person anecdotes are pretty useless for this topic. Many people who have dropped acid will testify in front of the Supreme Court that it enhanced their perception. Only a well controlled, well designed double-blind test is acceptable in this context.

    6. Re:Ritalin is a great study drug. by Beefpatrol · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I've been learning the same kinds of things with one of the ADD stimulants and an antidepressant for the last few years. One of the best things about these drugs is that they show you what "the other side" feels like. When you've been predominantly in one mode every day since puberty, it can be impossible to even understand what people mean when they ask simple questions about what you are going to do. For instance, there was always cognitive dissonance when a manager would ask me something like, "can you do thing X by deadline D?" My mental answer to a rhetorical question like that was always something like: "maybe." I usually answered verbally in the affirmative because I was aware that it was expected that I would, despite knowing that the actual answer was not so clear. In situations like that, I always felt like I had entered another dimension where people continuously behave in ways that don't make sense. The reason for this, I later found out, was because most of the time, normal people can say "yes" or "no" to a question like that and be sure that unless something extremely unusual were to happen, they would be correct; they either can do it, or they can't, and they know ahead of time which is true. Their reasons for saying "yes" or "no" didn't usually include thoughts like: "technically yes, and I've done it before -- it is actually pretty easy, but my track record for managing to do it is dismal for reasons that I don't understand, so an objective interpretation of the data suggests that a long-winded and unsatisfactory answer that indicates that I really don't know if I will do X by deadline D, and that the reasons for this are beyond my realm of comprehension, is what my reply *should* be, but I'm going to say yes anyway because any other response is going to piss people off. I absolutely hate corporate America -- this kind of weird asking of questions that are obviously unanswerable in an honest fashion must mean that either people are screwing with me or they are intensely stupid."

      I didn't realize all this in a concrete manner until somewhere in my late 20s after trying some of these drugs that made things like mental crises, and the utter inability to turn my brain off to focus or sleep optional. I've since taken them on and off as necessary, but being able to intuitively understand what it means to be able to cause one's actions to align with one's intentions on a regular basis is invaluable. I can say with complete honesty that I really didn't understand how the world worked before.

  4. I don't like drugs by crazybit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    as much as scientist claim they can enhance or reduce certain abilities, it is also a reality science is just beginning to understand human metabolism.

    We don't know much about how each part the human metabolism affect the others, so it's very difficult to anticipate possible side effects.

    It's also widely known that many of the current drugs where discovered by accident while trying to cure something else (like the discovery of viagra, and the heart benefits obtained from aspirin). So, as much as we don't want see it, our scientist can be wrong.

    Let's hope we don't see our Universities bloated with new kind of "brain enhancement" drugs.

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    1. Re:I don't like drugs by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "as much as scientist claim they can enhance or reduce certain abilities, it is also a reality science is just beginning to understand human metabolism."

      Bull.
      While we don't know everything, we are long past the "Just beginning " phase.
      What are you, posting from 1950?

      "It's also widely known that many of the current drugs where discovered by accident while trying to cure something else (like the discovery of viagra, and the heart benefits obtained from aspirin)"

      discovered through experimentation and observation. You make it sound as if they drop something accidentally and then it cured something.

      While they observed unexpected effect during the scientific process, it was the experimentation and testing that brought there discoveries to light.

      "So, as much as we don't want see it, our scientist can be wrong."
      This is nonsensical.

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    2. Re:I don't like drugs by crazybit · · Score: 2, Informative

      from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viagra :

      "It was initially studied for use in hypertension (high blood pressure) and angina pectoris (a symptom of ischaemic cardiovascular disease). The first clinical trials were conducted in Morriston Hospital in Swansea. Phase I clinical trials under the direction of Ian Osterloh suggested that the drug had little effect on angina, but that it could induce marked penile erections. Pfizer therefore decided to market it for erectile dysfunction, rather than for angina."

      Evidently doctors had little idea this reaction would happen... why? because we are just beginning to understand our own bodies.
      They didn't knew some receptors will trigger when they encounter this substance.

      That discovery was completely random, they NEVER expected it. They just gave heart patients a testing drug for their hearts, and the patients ended up with a boner.

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  5. Oh no! by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now the competitors in the national spelling bee tournaments will have to rake a piss test.

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  6. phone number 7bit 8bit digit theory by Vspirit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Based on what findings is it stated that most people can only hold 7 digits in memory?

    I wonder if there is a connection to how many digit you need to make a local phone call.

    In the states I assume you can or could leave out the area code, and then needed to remember xxx-xxxx.
    In Denmark as a kid and now, we need to remember 8 digits to make a phone call.

    I see a correlation, but.. heck, digits for thoughts.

    1. Re:phone number 7bit 8bit digit theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Take a look at George Miller's seminal work:

      The Magic Number Seven, Plus or minus Two
      http://www.musanim.com/miller1956/

      This is psych 101 guys...

      -Anymouse

    2. Re:phone number 7bit 8bit digit theory by skraps · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can remember long sequences of digits with relative ease. For example, my credit card number is 4744-7200-2258-9834. For bonus points, the expiration is 05/12 and the CCV number is 092. Beat that, Provigil!

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  7. Garden Of Eden Model of Health by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think religious people might metaphysically have a hard time with this because this goes against the whole "Garden Of Eden" model of health which is Humans were made perfectly and they fell from perfection when they got curious and ate the special apple hoping for some sort of benefit. Only disease is allowed to be treated in order to restore the system to what god intended.

    So you can't get a prescription for viagra because you want to have loads of sex, you can only get it for treating the dreaded disease known as "Erectile dysfunction".

  8. Drug tests by jamshid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yup, won't be longer before passing a drug test for employment means your results have to come back positive.

  9. The Crystal Meth-od by LM741N · · Score: 2, Funny

    Enhanced my cognition right into the homeless shelter. Now I'm a homeless genius and use the computer at the library to control vast bot nets. Eventually I will rule the world.

  10. One small problem... by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Taking a somewhat little-understood psychotropic drug for treatment of illness is one thing (especially when prescribing it to children), but it is another thing entirely to start talking it up as a performance enhancer.

    What is the long-term (or even all of the short-term) effects of this? IIRC, Ritalin comes with a bucketload of side effects.

    I guess that drugs specifically made for the mind start (at least for me) creeping deeper and deeper into questions of morality and ethics than one designed to treat any other body part. Just something that makes me a bit wary about them... For instance, is an "enhanced" person more susceptible to suggestion than otherwise? Are they more focused on the task at hand, but not as aware of their surroundings? How does it affect multitasking? Emotions? Attitude and outlook?

    Dunno... but caffeine seems to work just fine for me, and I get to keep a clear mind which I retain full control of while I'm at it.

    /P

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    1. Re:One small problem... by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you aren't keeping a clear mind with caffeine.
      No doubt you believe you are.

      Coffee comes with a "bucketload" of side effects as well.

      The brain is a part of the body just like your heart, or hands, or belly button.

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    2. Re:One small problem... by Penguinisto · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Perhaps, but the effects (side or immediate) of coffee/caffeine taken in moderation are well-known (and have been for literally over at least a century).

      The key term is "moderation" - if I were to suck down a case of Bawls in the morning (or even one bottle), then yes, the term 'clear mind' would not be perfectly accurate - just as taking any stimulant in large doses (or in the case of, say, Ampehtamines, in any but the smallest doses) would affect mental clarity.

      One cannot say the same for synthetic chemicals whose effects are not known fully.

      /P

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  11. Re:Oh, great..... by Martin+Blank · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's a gigantic difference between drugs like amphetamine and methamphetamine and drugs like modafinil (Provigil). They work in different ways, and decades of use by narcoleptic patients shows no significant addictiveness for modafinil (or its predecessor adrafinil, which metabolizes to modafinil). Amphetamine and methamphetamine have strong addictive potential as well as significant side-effects, including jumpiness, jitters, and irritability that are not found in modafinil. (That's not to say there are no side-effects to modafinil, but they are rare or uncommon.)

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  12. it's getting them that's the problem... by crashandburn66 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These drugs would be immensely beneficial to the human race. And what sane person wouldn't want to be smarter? Unfortunately, they will be opposed by very powerful religious and conservative forces. it will probably devolve into a cyclic, pointless, and unyielding debate like the one about abortion.

    Caffeine is one of these substances; probably the most widely available, too. Personally I can think faster, clearer, and longer with about 300mg of caffeine in me. Unfortunately, I'm getting tolerant to it now... :(

    Regardless, these drugs have the possibility to change the world. Hopefully people will get these things on the market in time for my SATs!

    1. Re:it's getting them that's the problem... by crashandburn66 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why are these things legal when the population opposes them? The court system, of course. A person in a black robe can effectively dictate laws to the popular masses.

      And the religions have one weapon that no corporation or political figure can wield. If they can convince someone that doing something will bring someone eternal ecstasy or eternal damnation, they can make that person do anything. Most of the most horrific wars and killings in history have been brought about by religions telling their followers that god wanted them to go kill people.

      And nobody I know of is willing to martyr themselves for Halliburton, Wal-Mart or Exxon.

  13. Re:Holy crap, 7 digits? by crazybit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    it's probably because of how your brain works.

    Maybe you are trying to memorize 7 numbers (symbol + significance in our society) instead of memorizing a 3cm x 1.5cm illustration (the area in a paper where those numbers can be written) or instead of memorizing a 10 second sound (the aprox time in wich those numbers can be pronounced).

    The problem might not be your memory, but the way your brain processes and stores the information it receives.

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  14. A musical interlude... by argent · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Richard Shindell's Confession...

    Hey Doc
    How's about a refill
    Hey Doc
    The pretty little blue pill...

  15. Re:Holy crap, 7 digits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am a network systems engineer(among other things) and I have the same issue! remember 3 or 4 numbers and have to look for the next!

    I find that my multitasking and fast thought processes lower my memory recall. If I take a few days off from work and just relax or go riding or something I can then remember very long strings of info, like multiple phone numbers.

    Back when DVDs were being pushed by the likes of Futureshop and Bestbuy, I could memorize 2 or 3 serial numbers from the DVD players(free DVD with new player promos). Multitasking wrecks memory!

  16. Withdrawal and Other Downsides? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What happens to your cognition once you stop taking it, after you've gotten used to taking it? Do you get a tolerance, so you not only need higher doses for a smarts boost, but you also just return to your base performance after getting used to it?

    What's the withdrawal like?

    I suspect that maybe the many kids given Ritalin while growing up learn to depend on it for their baseline. When they outgrow their "hyperactivity" (AKA "childhood"), they quit the drugs, and sink into an unfamiliar dullness in which they can't think at their previous baseline without the artificial stimulation. And how much do they just get burned out from the steady drugging?

    Something's got to explain the evident steady decay in average intellect as the years wear on, despite these synthetic boosts.

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    1. Re:Withdrawal and Other Downsides? by grammar+fascist · · Score: 5, Informative
      I can answer these questions on the average for Adderall and Dexedrine (dextroamphetamines) and Ritalin (methylphenidate).

      What happens to your cognition once you stop taking it, after you've gotten used to taking it? Do you get a tolerance, so you not only need higher doses for a smarts boost, but you also just return to your base performance after getting used to it?

      Tolerance is rarely an issue with the low doses given to treat ADHD. A couple of back-of-the-envelope calculations suggest that an average dose of Adderall (20mg) is about 1/10 an average "first hit" of meth or cocaine. Prescription medications are also designed to metabolize much more slowly than recreational drugs.

      Tolerance mainly results from neurons being overexcited and altering receptor sites in response. (This is in fact how caffeine tolerance develops.) People who take these medications under a doctor's care are generally not overstimulated. In fact, with ADHD, because medication corrects understimulation it's usually not an issue at all.

      I would be more worried about tolerance if the general population started on them, though.

      What's the withdrawal like?

      Usually a little mentally fuzzier than before medication and maybe a bit crankier. It lasts about half an hour to an hour. People report that Ritalin and Dexedrine have "rougher edges" than Adderall, which makes sense since Adderall is a mixture of amphetamine salts that metabolize at different rates.

      I suspect that maybe the many kids given Ritalin while growing up learn to depend on it for their baseline. When they outgrow their "hyperactivity" (AKA "childhood"), they quit the drugs, and sink into an unfamiliar dullness in which they can't think at their previous baseline without the artificial stimulation.

      If they don't outgrow ADHD and they need medication to function, they shouldn't stop.

      However, often the medication does have a lasting effect, though not one that people with "OMG DRUGGIES!!!" in mind would predict. It can train your mind to mimic the patterns it gets used to while on medication. People will often lower their dosage over time, and some quit altogether. I'm not aware of anyone needing more until they're a prescription crack-head. Both anecdotal evidence and the literature (peer-reviewed studies) support this.

      It also tends to train behavior. While on medication, functional behavior is much easier, and people who learn to function effectively while on medication have an easier time off of it than they did before medication.

      Again, I wouldn't apply this to the general population, just to people who use medication to treat neurological problems.

      And how much do they just get burned out from the steady drugging?

      They only do if the dose is too high. The beautiful thing about stimulants at these dosages is that their cognitive effects don't last into the next day, except for the gradual effects I mentioned.
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    2. Re:Withdrawal and Other Downsides? by Angry+Black+Man · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are quite wrong, clearly not a doctor or pharmacist, and I hope you dont try to spread these ideas as fact easily. First, tolerance buildup in amphetamine (dexedrine and adderall) as well as amphetamine derivatives is very easy and happens very quickly. It happens with children all the time. By the time kids reach high school or college, if they have taken amphetamine for a while, they are definitely on a significantly higher dosage than before and/or redosing more often (twice a day, three times a day, or taking time released amphetamines to make up for it) just to achieve baseline.

      To compare first doses of amphetamine to cocaine and reach a conclusion is ridiculous, as they are completely different drugs. Are you serious? By the same standard you can say "a quick back of the envelope calculation suggests that first doses of MDMA are substantially lower than cocaine, so tolerance should not be an issue." Which is, of course, completely false. Amphetamine and amphetamine derivatives are notorious for having tolerance buildup as well as a substantial, though not terrible, comedown.

      As far as ritalin vs. dexedrine vs. amphetamine comedowns, your suggestion that its because of metabolism rates is at best greatly overly simplified. It may be, but it also probably lends more to the fact that different amphetamine salts tend to have different affinities for serotonin vs. dopamine vs. adrenaline levels and this would be expected to play a significant role.

      I agree that they can be used to train the brain though. Although, that is purely anecdotal and I dont know of any studies that have looked into this.

      But please, dont give advice about stimulants.

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  17. Digits and Nootropics by DynaSoar · · Score: 4, Informative

    To first address the comments regarding number of digits in working memory: the "magic number" is 7 plus or minus 2, the variance being context dependent. To hold more items in memory, which people obviously do, they employ "chunking", or grouping them together and remembering the chunks in the necessary sequence. The 7 digit phone number was based on the original 7 digit idea, the grouping of area code XXX, prefix YYY, and last 4 ZZZZ was based on chunking. Since this chunking is a major action of attention and memory, simply adding a single digit to a single chunk is a weird way to claim improvement.

    Yet once again an article on cognition enhancement fails to note its origins and long standing history. The first nootropic, hydergine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydergine , was developed by Albert Hoffmann of Sandoz. While he is best known for LSD, his "problem child", he considered hydergine to be his most important discovery. He credited his longentivity (he died recently at age 102) to using hydergine regularly.

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  18. legalize it by Deanalator · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Modafinil (provigil) is safer, more effective, and less addictive than caffeine.

    Unfortunately, possession without a prescription can get you a year in jail. Strangly, it's chemical predecessor, Adrafinil is perfectly legal to buy over the counter (at about a tenth of the cost as well). It actually turns into modafinil in your stomach, but it takes longer to take effect, and the chemical byproducts cause stomach pains and liver problems.

    1. Re:legalize it by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Informative

      Adrafinil is legal to import for personal use. It is not legal to sell OTC (at least in the US).

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  19. Re:Holy crap, 7 digits? by Original+Replica · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Try remembering two, three digit numbers and one single digit. I don't exactly know why it helps, but it makes numbers and their order a lot easier. Perhaps it's something about treating a three digit number like a single concept.

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  20. Those aren't the only options... by slifox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ritalin (methylphenidate), Provigil (aka Modafinil), Adderall (mixed amphetamine salts), etc are not the only options. In fact, there is a whole class of cognitive-enhancement drugs, called Nootropics.

    The best of these (and arguable one of the safest), in my non-medical opinion, is Piracetam. It is a cyclic derivative of the neurotransmitter GABA, and has been used extensively since the 1960s in clinical studies, for treatment of Alzheimer's (and more), and off-label as a "supplement." Many studies suggest it increases blood flow (and hence oxygenation) to the brain, and protects the brain against damage from alcohol poisoning. It has no known LD-50, and has been clinically tested in daily doses exceeding 50 grams!

    I personally use Piracetam to help study, and through my (obviously non-blinded and partially-biased) self-tests, I found that it really does help me learn things faster. After a cramming/studying session, I'll usually look back and realize how much material I've been able to learn in such a short time. All friends I've recommended it to have come to the same conclusion. My dosages vary from 1 gram up to 5 grams at a time, repeating every 3-4 hours.

    Unfortunately, the reason why Nootropics aren't used much is because they don't have the intense effects that *stimulants* such as Ritalin do. The effects of Piracetam are very subtle (though the first time is more noticable)--enough so that its easy to get discouraged. However, when you take Ritalin, the stimulation effect is VERY noticeable (and fun, for many people).

    The big problems with stimulants are that they aren't great for your body, they can encourage bad sleep habits, they are fun to use (possibly leading to irresponsible use), and they can lead to distraction for those not used to the effects at the used dosage. Additionally, they have terrible come-downs. A responsible stimulant user must recognize these aspects and make efforts to control them, otherwise they will not get any work done, or worse harm themselves!

    Disclaimer: I'm not licensed to give medical advice. These are my opinions and are for informational purposes only. Using the mentioned stimulants without a prescription is stupidly illegal (but illegal nonetheless). I won't get into how prohibition is stupid and doesn't work (I think free-use regulation and accurate dispersion of information is the way to go). More importantly though, using these drugs improperly can be unsafe. Make sure you thoroughly research any drugs you use, including over-the-counter drugs, and consult a medical professional when unsure about possible interactions with other drugs or your health conditions.

    Wikipedia on Piracetam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam

    Erowid on Nootropics: http://www.erowid.org/smarts/

  21. Re:Oh, great..... by aurispector · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are no completely safe drugs, there are no drugs without side effects. That being said, even if these drugs are significantly safer, it just seems to be a bad idea to depend on drugs to run your everyday life. The line between theraputic and recreational use is blurring.

    If I had to take non-theraputic medications to perform my job I'd get a different job.

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  22. Re:What? no soviet russia or overlord jokes? by david.given · · Score: 2, Funny

    Slashdot is loosing its touch.

    Remember, if you love something, set it lose...

  23. Re:Holy crap, 7 digits? by hkmarks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's totally normal, don't worry about it.

    Most people can retain 7 +/- 2 (5 to 9) semantic "packets" of information. A "packet" can be a part of a larger packet. Most people can reliably recall 5 random numbers or letters in a row. Or 5 groups of 5 numbers or letters. Or 5 random words. Or 5 unrelated phrases.

    But don't try to memorize a paragraph worth of random letters and numbers -- that's more than 9 packets so it's almost impossible without a lot of repetition. That's why phone numbers have a dash in them, to break the number up into smaller packets that are easier to remember.

  24. Ever tried sleep? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I get roughly 5-6 hours of sleep a night and have had no issues at all. I did notice the "You know you're tired, but you don't think/act like you're tired" thing and yeah it's really odd.
    Instead of drugs have you considered getting an extra 1-2 hours of sleep per night? This is cheaper than taking drugs, does not make you feel odd, and 10 years from now will not be shown to cause cancer/depression/heart disease/... If you are feeling tired during the day the message your body is trying to send you is 'sleep more' not 'take drugs'.
    1. Re:Ever tried sleep? by DeadChobi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, if you've ever been in school, you know that the demands it makes on a person are much greater than a full-time job. Plus there's also the need to have some type of social life outside of work, and for some people a need to cook in order to eat. These things combined mean that there isn't a lot of room in life to sleep.

      What I'm saying is that your solution, although the better one, is not the most feasible one.

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    2. Re:Ever tried sleep? by Banquo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most nights my job/life don't allow me the time to get extra sleep through the week. But even if it did,..I feel about the same with 5,8,10 or 15 hours of sleep. I'm trying to clean up my life, (eat better, work out more etc..) but feeling tired and unfocused through the day is just the norm for me.

      And yes I've had the full medical battery and exams, aside from needing to lose some weight and having some mild skin allergies I'm 100%

      Also I'm taking this mainly as a neuro enhancer than a "pep pill" and so far it's working great. It really does help out even if I'm fully rested.

  25. Cognition improvement for MS by perkyx1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Personally I'm keen on the idea - from a selfish point of view :-) As I have progressive MS it seems like cognitive problems aren't due soon (hopefully) and will be less than with other forms (again, hopefully) but if there's a hope for something that'll help prevent this - then that's great. Not walking too well is ok, and being a wheelchair user is something I can surely cope with - but difficulty with thinking? That's the most terrifying thing I can imagine.

  26. Re:Oh, great..... by Hojima · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are no completely safe drugs, there are no drugs without side effects. Jut because it has a side effect does not mean it's unsafe. If the side effect of taking steroids was the sniffles (and nothing else), every athlete would be taking it (regardless of legality). That being said, natural drugs generally have little to no harm in comparison to many other synthetic drugs, mostly because huge pharmaceutical companies pay chemical engineers to find a cheap method to produce something found in nature, and thus their quantum structure, and even their chemical composition, can be altered so that the body does not respond well to it (but the drug works so they don't care). It's even the same deal with multivitamins.
  27. most people can hold seven random digits by non · · Score: 2, Informative

    i disagree. people can hold however many digits in their head as they are accustomed to holding. to say that the number of digits just _happens_ to coincide with the number of digits in an american phone number is obviously ethnocentric.

    not only that, but people become accustomed to structuring that memory in different manners. is it 2-2-3, or 3-2-2. or 3-4. people remember strings of digits in the patterns that they learned as a child.

    i learned an 11-digit number on first go last weekend, its a swiss telephone number dialed from overseas; 414354#####. what is this bullshit about adding an *extra* digit to one's memory?

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    1. Re:most people can hold seven random digits by Veggiesama · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The "magic memory number" is something like 7 +/- 2 digits. So how do you remember 11, how do you remember? How do idiot savants count cards or memorize a hundred digits of pi?

      For the most part, it's called "chunking." You might remember the first three digits of a number as a single part, like an area code. Maybe through repetition or some kind of pattern, those numbers become a single encoded, sometimes even rhythmic, symbol.

      The number you gave was "414354#####". That 414 is a palindrome, so maybe that gets chunked up. Maybe you see mathematical relationships between numbers. 4 + 1 + 4 = 9, and the last 5 + 4 = 9, and both of those sums of 9 are sandwiching a 3. It's nice that 3^2 is 9. Or maybe you flirt with the idea of 4-3=1, then 1+3=4. Then there's that 3 again. 4134. Or perhaps you start with 4, go down 2, up 2, up 1. Maybe you remember that your birthday party on 4/13/04 ended tragically because your 54-yr-old mother stepped on your dog, fell over, and broke her hip. I don't know.

      There's a million little ways you can play number games, and most of them aren't readily understood at the conscious level. We develop feelings and associations for numbers (or words, or other symbols), and sometimes a pattern is more visible in our minds because we've seen and used it elsewhere before. Those of us with more experience simply have a larger "vocabulary" of chunks (see grandmaster chess-players), despite intelligence levels (for the most part).

  28. Beta-blockers also work in this way... by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Beta-blockers medications commonly taken by patients with varying heart conditions, such as Atenolol or Metoprolol, can also generate similar effects in brain function and memory. For example, as a child, I was regularly a D to F student during my middle school and early high school years. But after having been diagnosed with a heart murmur and placed on Atenolol, I suddenly started generating A's and B's in my classes. Although I never really pieced it together until a few years ago, I do know I was able to focus on my work far more easily due to a perceived "slow-down" in my overall personality

    Also, it seemed to improve my ability to work with logic problems, making programming a far simpler task... especially when it came to tracing/debugging my own code.

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  29. Re:What? no soviet russia or overlord jokes? by ady1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    but if I unplug my computer, it will die :(((

  30. off-label use of provigil by acvh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I use it mon-fri as an attention deficit/cognition enhancement supplement. I am able to concentrate on a task more effectively when using it. For me the effects are like cocaine without the euphoria. I don't get jittery or wired, just focused. I have a shrink who has studied provigil extensively as an attention deficit drug, and while it is not yet approved in the US for that use, he believes strongly in it, as do I.

    As do the mice who will choose provigil over food when given a choice.

    Do we need drugs to make our lives "better"? Why not? Our society is no longer based solely on fulfilling basic needs. We work in fabric covered boxes performing tasks that have no direct connection to survival, other than earning money to buy food. If a drug helps us do that then, given the facts about it, we can make an informed decision.

  31. Re:Oh, great..... by NIckGorton · · Score: 3, Informative

    That being said, natural drugs generally have little to no harm in comparison to many other synthetic drugs, mostly because huge pharmaceutical companies pay chemical engineers to find a cheap method to produce something found in nature, and thus their quantum structure, and even their chemical composition, can be altered so that the body does not respond well to it (but the drug works so they don't care). Natural does not equal safe, and synthetic does not equal unsafe. That is the same logical fallacy that suggests that organic vegetables are safer than (inorganic?) ones. Personally I would rather my lettuce be farmed with synthetic fertilizer than cow shit teeming with E. coli.

    What suggests best whether something is safe or unsafe is its track record. Period. That's why, you are often better off with a drug older than yourself rather than anything that big Pharma is currently advertising on TV. Initial marketing of a drug is the 'Phase 4' of safety testing. Once something has been out there for a decade, enough people have taken it that we know what it does, how it does it, and what the risks are. At that point, you can better decide whether the risks for you outweigh the benefits.

    Also during post marketing surveillance, if the FDA finds that a drug is unsafe, they yank it. That same safety measure is significantly more difficult with 'natural supplements'. In fact, despite considerable evidence of danger the FDA is unable to stop the sale of aristolochia an herb conclusively linked to kidney failure and cancer, yohimbe a sexual stimulant linked to heart and respiratory problems, bitter orange whose ingredients have effects similar to the banned weight-loss supplement ephedra, chaparral, comfrey, germander, and kava who are all known or likely causes of liver failure.

    So don't make the logical error of assuming that just because something is natural, its safe. Hell, small pox is 'natural'.
  32. Re:Oh, great..... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The line between theraputic and recreational use is blurring.

    The line has never been real anyway. Like many arbitrary social lines, it's an artificial constraint imposed by moralists.

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    "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
  33. Re:Holy crap, 7 digits? by greg_barton · · Score: 2, Informative

    Perhaps it's something about treating a three digit number like a single concept.

    It's called chunking
  34. Re:Oh, great..... by Pendersempai · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That being said, even if these drugs are significantly safer, it just seems to be a bad idea to depend on drugs to run your everyday life.

    Okay, I'm going to push you on this one. If the drug makes you smarter with no unpleasant short or long-term side-effects, why on earth would it be a bad idea? Any time we can get a benefit that outweighs its cost, we should do it. Very little in our lives resembles "nature" in the true pre-technology sense, and that's a good thing. If there's a particular reason why it "just seems to be a bad idea" to take medication regularly, by all means, spit it out so we can critique it. Otherwise, it sounds like you're basically being a luddite.

    Besides, when you get right down to it, increasing your intelligence IS therapeutic in the sense that it helps you to avoid a surprising number of potential ailments.

  35. Re:Oh, great..... by Phoghat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Being a pharmacist allows me to speak with some authority on this. Many drugs have what are called " Off Label" uses. This means that doctors sometimes prescribe them for conditions that are not included in what the drugs were approved for. Having practiced in many a high-income neighborhood, Provigil almost since its introduction has been used as a performance enhancing drug. After filling prescriptions for an increasing number of obviously non narcoleptic patients I asked a few doctors what they were using it for. Most patients were men who were mid to high level executive positions who felt they needed an "edge" on their competitors in the business world, or were using the drug to combat jet lag. Yes EVERY drug has side effects. The thing is that when the benefits out weigh the side effects you use the drug for what it's good for.

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  36. Re: Nodding off while reading by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Try some mini-experiments. You already have your baseline of "getting drowsy for these activities".

    My hunch is you run your life on the edge of a small chronic sleep-debt, which is the subtle cumulative effects of shaving off small fractions of each night's sleep.

    Pick a weekend and clear your entire schedule. Go to bed with a clock, but the alarm off. (That's so you can glance at the time during the "false-alarm wakeup that you know is too early, and refuse to get up.) Even if you feel guilty/lazy, insist on resting for at least an hour past your "regular" timing.

    Then when you do finally get up, do all your morning things, and have a large heavy-protein breakfast. Then take your coffee/soda/other beverage and lounge in your favorite chair with an *exciting* book.

    Wait for it ... Wait for it ... Ok look, you're drowsy! Okay, fine. That's why you cleared your schedule. "Call the bluff" - take the nap. It's okay to have a nap only 2 hours after you got up!

    So, you get up the second time, and maybe even a third. But eventually, your body will finally grudgingly admit it's rested, and call off the nap-attacks. Then if you succeed in getting through some 60/75 pages of your book, you'll have your key data point. However, the entire first trial could be a washout. That's okay.

    It will take a few weekend trials to learn/train to settle down properly. But eventually, your semi-conscious will start forming the first pathways to that signal of "getting ready to study".

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  37. Re:Oh, great..... by aurispector · · Score: 3, Informative

    You are so deluded about pharmacology, biochemistry, human physiology and science in general as to be swimming in complete and total bullshit. Both of your posts reek of "truthiness" rather than actual information.

    A molocule is a molocule; why would a plant (or other "natural" source as opposed to a synthetic process) make a molocule better compatible with human physiology? Wouldn't the plant make molocules better suited to it's OWN physiology? The fact that naturally derived substances have any desirable pharmacologic effects on humans is entirely accidental. You get the same problems with undesirable by-products regardless of source. How do you know the plant doesn't produce OTHER substances that are pure poison to humans? Or what if the "poison" has desirable pharmocologic properties? Do you eat the plant in blind faith that all the contents are "natural" and therefore "safer" or do you attempt to isolate the desired molocule. Will you truly isolate it or will you have quantities of other undesirable substances. How do you remove the undesirable substances? What about stereochemistry? Often one enantiomer will have desirable properties while the other will not. Do plants magically produce the correct one for our use and edification? These are the same issues raised when producing a molocule synthetically.

    And what's this about optimized concentration? What the hell does this mean? Do you know what a DOSE is? None of this makes sense. And this nonsense about quantum structure - could you please cite some reputable sources for this claim, or at least explain what it's supposed to MEAN? Have you ever taken even an undergraduate-level chemistry course? All of the issues you raise are already accounted for in current medical practice, backed up by controlled studies. Just because something is found in a plant doesn't mean it's magically better.

    To quote Fat Freddy from the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers: "I don't trust anything that doesn't come in a nice, clean gelatin capsule"!

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