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Amusement Park Bans PDAs and Smartphones

Ant writes in with news that an amusement park in the UK is trying out a ban on smartphones and PDAs, with the intent to enable families actually to have fun together. The press release says that from May 25 to June 1, adults found using a PDA will be asked to drop it off at a "PDA Drop Off Zone" — no word on what happens if they refuse. But both the Sun and BoingBoing, which picked up their brief story, strike a more ominous note with the claim that "special wardens" will confiscate the devices. If the experiment is deemed a success the park may make the ban permanent.

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  1. I understand their point... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but stepping up and taking away someone's personal property is nothing but thuggery.

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    1. Re:I understand their point... by Mike1024 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      stepping up and taking away someone's personal property is nothing but thuggery. Perhaps, but bear in mind they can retrieve their PDA when they leave, and one can avoid the issue altogether by leaving your PDA at home, turning it off, or just plain not using it.

      The fact is, private amusement parks can have rules, and can ask you to leave if you refuse to follow them. This is just an example of that.

      If you're so very important that you can't turn your blackberry off for a day, you have the option of not visiting Alton Towers. If you really are that important, maybe you should turn your PDA off anyway, so your employers can be prepared for if you ever die or move jobs.
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    2. Re:I understand their point... by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...but stepping up and taking away someone's personal property is nothing but thuggery. property, privacy, rights, entitlements, money, etc... welcome to .uk. Enjoy your stay Oh, fuck off. Seriously, this is the kind of kneejerk reaction that detracts from the damages to civil liberties that are happening in the UK.

      It's a minor story about a crap gimmick Alton Towers are using to get some publicity, and it's being presented here as an "OMG!!!!! They're taking away our rights!!!!!!!!11111" story.

      Aside from the fact it's a private amusement park (not a pseudo-public space like a shopping centre), it's not even being done for the usual surveillance-state bullshit "pedos might take photos of our children" type reasons. (*)

      You don't like it? Don't go to fucking Alton Towers! I wouldn't...

      (*) Given the popularity of using pedos to justify every ludicrous measure, if this isn't the reason being given in public, then it sure as hell isn't the true reason either.
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    3. Re:I understand their point... by Blue+Stone · · Score: 5, Insightful
      They're not taking anything from anyone - it's just a little marketing gimmick accompanying a little 'family friendly' advice.

      Parents are being ASKED to relinquish/put away their PDAs etc, in order to spend 'quality' time with their children.

      The article says 'no word on what will happen if they refuse' because nothing will happen. There's no story here, no news, just an advertisement...

      ...and no need for any nerd to get their knickers in a knot. ;)

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    4. Re:I understand their point... by Petrushka · · Score: 3, Funny

      Courthouses I believe prohibit camera phones (i.e. practically all cell phones), and the only time I'd ever go there is if I can't get out of jury duty.

      For reference, I believe there are other circumstances that can in principle make presence in a courthouse obligatory.

  2. Just don't go. by urbanriot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I require my phone, not just to stay in touch with my friends and loved ones, but also to keep in touch with my business. It's fine if I'm in a theatre for a few hours (I usually put it on vibrate), but if I have to be without it for a day... screw that, I'm not going to your place.

    1. Re:Just don't go. by mindstormpt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hmmm... That's exactly the point. If you go to an amusement park with your family, they won't be thrilled if you can't spend more than a few hours without taking a call.

    2. Re:Just don't go. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      None of their damned business, first of all. That's between him and his family.

      And second, being callable doesn't mean you'll necessarily take a call. My phone is always on, and always on me, short of airplane travel -- but I'm only rarely called.

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  3. Not just PDAs by muellerr1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This reminds me of a restaurant in Colorado Springs that prided itself on cutting your tie in half if you stupidly showed up with one on. Casual diners only!

  4. Smart... by TJ_Phazerhacki · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So the policy allows kids phones for safety purposes.

    Who are they going to call? The parents without the cell phones?

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  5. Forced fun? by Tango42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm not sure forced fun is going to work. It's a worthy cause, but I don't think this is the way to do it...

  6. Oh Please... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but stepping up and taking away someone's personal property is nothing but thuggery.
    No it's not. They have a policy at a private amusement. I f you don't like it, you can "recreate" elsewhere.
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    1. Re:Oh Please... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Perhaps I should have expanded. Having a policy is fine. I have accidentally run afoul of a no cell phones policy at a country club. However, the difference is that I was asked to not use the phone rather than having someone take it away from me.

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    2. Re:Oh Please... by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As long as they have a huge sign posted out front BEFORE I PAY that's just fine with me. I would just take my money elsewhere.

    3. Re:Oh Please... by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A local store has a sign they hang up that you can only see as you're leaving, which says "we reserve the right to inspect bags". Security guards ask nicely, but I walk past them with a sneer. How do I get away with it? They _don't_ have that right to begin with, so they can't reserve it.
      A manager at the store blocked my path once, immediately after I purchased something, and asked to see my bag.. the bag the check-out clerk just gave me. I told him to get out of my way or I'm calling the police. He first looked like he'd be happy to have the police there until a little spark went off in his little reptilian brain and he got out of my way.

      If I hang up a sign in my house saying "I reserve the right to cavity search" or "I reserve the right to confiscate your property", it doesn't mean I suddenly am exempt from laws against assault or theft perpetrated against people I asked onto my property.

    4. Re:Oh Please... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ahh.. policy.. The bureaucratic form of "I was only following orders"
      What's the difference? This is not a government establishemtn, it's a PRIVATE business. Move on, troll...
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    5. Re:Oh Please... by howlingfrog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So ? A policy at whatever place cannot override the law. If I have a policy that says I'm allowed to kill you on my private property, I'm still going away for murder if I do.

      That's only vaguely true, and not even vaguely relevant. The owners of private property have every right, legally and ethically, to require visitors to that property to agree to (practically) any terms they want. The visitors are free to leave if they find the terms unacceptable. I can't imagine any US or UK court upholding terms that allow illegal behavior, but for anything short of that, what do you think "private property" means?

      And in this case, there's nothing remotely illegal about the terms being set. The amusement park operators are simply not allowing certain devices on their property, and offering a (free?) storage service for those disallowed devices. Visitors can leave their smartphones at home, or in the car, or in the park-provided storage. If you don't like those choices, don't go to that park.

      The real issues are:

      1. Would you personally visit an amusement park with this policy?
      2. Is this policy a sound business decision?
      My answers are no to both, as I assume yours are, but this is ABSOLUTELY NOT a legal/civil liberties issue.
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    6. Re:Oh Please... by shilly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh well if it says it on boingboing, it must be true. Just take a minute to engage your brain and think to yourself whether it's even remotely likely that an amusement park is actually going to set up a policy to steal people's PDAs. Aside from being illegal, it's hardly going to pull in the punters, is it? Obviously, the policy will be to ask adults with PDAs to take them to the drop-off zones. Strikes me as a fairly innocuous policy, and if people don't like it, it'll be reflected in the attendance figures no doubt, and then they'll drop the policy or risk losing out to rivals.

    7. Re:Oh Please... by demonlapin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, he doesn't have the right to stop you. But, at the point that he stepped out of the way, he would have been fully within his rights to inform you that you were not permitted to shop there in the future, and that attempts to reenter the store would be treated as trespass.

    8. Re:Oh Please... by Korin43 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The difference is that they are not stealing your phone, they're saying "You can't come into my house with your phone, but you can leave it in the front closet if you want."

    9. Re:Oh Please... by frdmfghtr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you are seen using a Palm, iPaq or other personal digital assistant or smartphone, the special wardens will take it away from you."
      My question is: what if you are using it to communicate with other members of your party in the park? Suppose you have a copy of the park map on it?

      Smartphones/PDAs are not just used for business, after all.
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    10. Re:Oh Please... by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My question is: what if you are using it to communicate with other members of your party in the park? Suppose you have a copy of the park map on it?

      Smartphones/PDAs are not just used for business, after all. The iPhone has a media player and a camera. What if you are making a home video of your family enjoying the amusement park?
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    11. Re:Oh Please... by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think we're making too much of it. It's no different ethically or legally from movie theaters that ban outside food.

    12. Re:Oh Please... by mpeskett · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damn those movie theatres! Infringing on our right to a giant bucket of fried chicken while we watch a movie!

      It's virtually censorship... they're preventing my free expression of chicken-eating. I demand chickeny freedom!

    13. Re:Oh Please... by KutuluWare · · Score: 4, Informative

      What. The. Fuck. "There is now law that says you must be allowed..." What the hell is that? Since when were activites implicitly blacklisted and then only allowed once added to a whitelist? Since the beginning of human history, or thereabourts. You may have heard of this concept, it's called "private property", and you aren't even allowed to enter my private property until I give you permission to do so.

      You seem to be very vocally confused about exactly what's going on here, so perhaps a bulleted list will be of some assistance:

      * This is the United Kingdom, not the US, so the Constitution means fuck-all to anyone involved.

      * Even if this were the United States, you'd still be horribly wrong. With very very few exceptions, nothing in the Constitution has any jurisdiction over private organizations. I direct you to the first words of the First Amendment as an example: Congress shall enact no law...

      * Finally, the Constitution doesn't even remotely say what you claim it says. The confusion you seem to be having is over the Tenth Amendment. It says that any "power" (power to make laws) not expressly given to the Federal Government, is automatically given to the states. It says absolutely nothing about whatever laws the states may or may not have that aren't written in the Constitution.

      That's just for starters, so perhaps you should take a political science course or two before your next ill-informed /. rant.
    14. Re:Oh Please... by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      If I invite you into my home and tell you to leave your cell phone at home, but you choose to bring it anyway, are you telling me I have the right to confiscate it from you and keep it?
      You can leave it at the door - your strawman will keep it for you till you leave.
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  7. /.'ers don't have to worry by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Remember - to be affected by this policy, you'd a) have to be in a relationship; and b) have to venture outside. So breathe easy!

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  8. Re:Not Going to Work.......I Think by xaxa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They aren't going to "enforce" it. It's just a way to remind dad that maybe, just maybe, he should be spending time with the kids rather than being glued to his PDA.

  9. This is what we can all PR gimmick by Angostura · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Alton Towers gets free publicity in the papers, a debate ensues, no-one actually gets their PDAs removed. Nothing to see here, move along please.

  10. Re:Sniff, sniff.. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, I can think of a few people who would actually enforce a policy that stupid, but...

    First question: Are they confiscating all cell phones, or only smartphones?

    If it's only smartphones, it's a liveable policy -- provided you can buy everyone a non-smartphone. It's still moronic that they're trying to enforce fun -- it's not like it spoils anyone else's fun if you want to spoil your trip by playing Solitaire on your smartphone the whole time.

    If it's all phones, well, you've just eliminated a useful tool for finding lost kids, or for preventing kids from getting lost. It's all well and good to say "We'll meet here at 5:30," but it's nice to be able to call if they don't make it.

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  11. You're all missing the point by xaxa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The word "ban" isn't really what they're doing.

    "Amusement Park Provides Secure Drop-Off Point for PDAs and Smartphones" would be more like it. To advertise this service they have a kid dressed as a policeman "banning" people from using PDAs and pointing them towards the drop-off point.

  12. Ban watches, phones, mp3 players... by gelfling · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ban everything everywhere. Ban it. You WILL have fun goddamnit.

  13. What you should have done: by Wooky_linuxer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Walked straight to them, and with authority, proclaimed yourself as Park Police. Whatever that means. Then, after explaining the Park policy of not allowing work with a laptop in its premises, explain ed the penalty: - I am sorry, sir, but I will be forced to confiscate. - No way, this is my private property and I am doing important work here. - I mean the girl.

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  14. Re:The smartphone dilemma by BVis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You don't. I think you're missing the point of the ban.

    IMHO this ban is protection from asshole bosses who think they own you 24/7/365. When you go to one of these places you can say "I took my kids to such and such, they don't allow cell phones inside."

    Clearly this doesn't work for anyone who has a job that requires 24/7 availability (for example, you need to be notified if your data center catches fire.) However, if your job is one where your availability ISN'T needed 24/7, but your asshole boss THINKS it is, then this works.

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  15. Good Daycycle Citizen! by IonOtter · · Score: 3, Funny

    Good Daycycle, Citizen, and welcome to Alton Towers, where fun is mandatory! Please bear in mind that failure to have fun is considered Treason, and is punishable by painful death reserved for Commie Mutant Traitors and those Citizens who failed to have fun.

    Thank you for your cooperation, Citizen, and remember to have fun!

    Your Friend,

    The Computer

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  16. Re:This is a great idea! by nbannerman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Whoa, hang on a minute.

    A few things to think about;

    1. England != UK. Confusing the two is bad form; our Scots and Welsh brethren will surely kick up a stink at that. 2. Alton Towers are free to trial this. The fact they are trialling it first is a good way to go about things. 3. We use the Pound (Sterling) as our currency - you'll prise it from my euro-sceptic-dead-hands.

    Considering the pasting that Labour are getting in the papers and at the polling booths, I'd say us 'British Subjects' are still quite capable of fighting back, in the more general sense of the political climate here at the moment.

  17. Re:Intrafamily phoning by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They did, but it was a lot harder and entailed walking around searching or going to a courtesy booth and having an announcement made over a PA.

    On a recent trip to Disneyland with relatives, cellphones were used a couple times to check in and coordinate. Very handy if you ask me.

    Personally, any park that says I can't have my phone won't get my business.

  18. Re:Sniff, sniff.. by shilly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Christ, wouldja take a minute to think even briefly before typing. What are you on about, saying, "it's not like it spoils anyone else's fun if you want to spoil your trip by playing Solitaire on your smartphone the whole time"? This policy is not aimed at 19-year-old geeks who've turned up by themselves, it's aimed at parents. And yes it really will spoil your 10-year-old's day if you're playing Solitaire instead of joining them on the rides.

  19. What a GREAT IDEA! by RaigetheFury · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I read about 100 comments in this post and I have to admit most were about "I wouldn't go there then" or "They are taking away our rights".

    Correct me if I'm wrong since I'm in the US... but where in the UK law does it say "Right to bear cell phone"... it doesn't you twits.

    This is a terrific idea made by a PRIVATE entity on THEIR property. I cannot tell you how often I hear loud obnoxious people on cell phones distracting from MY fun. How the families they are with are like "Come on dad" or "Honey can't you do that later" and they reply "Just one sec" while being blissfully ignorant of the line behind them.

    I WOULD go to this theme park simply because it removes the ADD enhancing objects in our lives and lets us focus on conversation with each other and paying attention to ones surroundings.

  20. Re:Sniff, sniff.. by houghi · · Score: 4, Funny

    If it's all phones, well, you've just eliminated a useful tool for finding lost kids, or for preventing kids from getting lost.
    Indeed the children, won't anybody think of the children.
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  21. Don't forget, it's The Sun by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those outside the UK, it's probably worth pointing out that The Sun is a fanatically right-wing paper written for a reading age of approximately 9 years. Most prominent in The Sun are the "Page Three Stunna" (a different picture of a topless woman every day), a large sports section, and a large comics section. Fairly typical Sun headlines are "Do Fellas Prefer Flirtier Females?", "Driven to suicide by websites", and "Immigrant got me pregnant at 14". These are *real* headlines from The Sun, I'm not making this up. Ok, they're not quite at the level of batshit crazyness of some USian tabloids (National Enquirer, I'm looking at you here), but they have printed their fair share of "I got pregnant by a space mushroom"-type stuff.

  22. What? But I'm a Doctor, on call...! by misterhypno · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Special wardens will confiscate such devices" as a possible outcome.

    How will those who are doctors, law enforcement officials and such who are on call or other emergency personnel be able to remain in touch with their call-in stations then and who are required to carry such devices (and may even be issued them as part of their standard equipment)?

    And isn't that called "theft?" Or, at least violation of personal property under UK law?

    While I appreciate the idea of not having to be interrupted at every turn by some idiot either playing a video game or answering a mindless "WHASSUP?!" call in the middle of a show, there should be some better way to do this.

    And what happens when someone loses their claim ticket or, worse, the park loses their smart device? The cost to the park will be far in excess of the "social savings" this ban might give them.

    From this side of the pond, it's just another sign that every petty administrator, everywhere, wants to control a little slice of the lives that come into their sphere of influence.

    They are going to have a LOT of very angry people to contend with when they try this because, more and more, smart devices are becoming the norm, rather than the exception. What a wonderful way to turn the happiest place on earth into a focus for seething animosity!

    Well done, park officious officials!

  23. Criminal damage by Alain+Williams · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't matter if they think that you are stupid or not, cutting your tie in half is criminal damage ... I am surprised that someone has not called the cops out on them.