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Fasting May Fix Jet Lag

stoolpigeon writes "Reuters reports on a Harvard Medical School study on sleep patterns and how they relate to food. Researchers already knew that the sleep patterns of mice would change to match the opportunity to feed, but they did not know the mechanism that enabled the change. To find out, they looked for the part of the brain that was involved. They bred mice without a certain master gene that regulates the body's clock, and then targeted various parts of the brain with the gene, delivered in the shell of a virus. The results may, among other things, provide a new method for preparing to deal with jet lag: 'A period of fasting with no food at all for about 16 hours is enough to engage this [alternate body] clock,' the lead researcher said. The study appears in the journal Science."

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  1. Another excuse for poor airline service ! by dargaud · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't let the airlines know about this, or they are going to 'improve the jetlag adaptation' by not feeding you anymore ! And for an additional price.

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    1. Re:Another excuse for poor airline service ! by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Funny
      I read it as "Fisting May Fix Jet Lag".

      That would be about the only thing that could make the TSA a genuine public service.

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  2. I've got a better idea. by EWAdams · · Score: 3, Insightful


    How about making the airplane seats big enough and comfortable enough to actually sleep in?

    Jet lag would be much less of a problem if the airlines didn't squash us all in like sardines for 13 hours at a time.

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    1. Re:I've got a better idea. by allcar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The airlines will happily give you more leg room. All you have to do is give them more money. It's called 1st class. If you like cheap flights, there's not much point in bitching about comfort.

    2. Re:I've got a better idea. by cheebie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Another thought is maybe you just need to loose weight. :)


      I have yet to find a diet that makes my legs shorter.
    3. Re:I've got a better idea. by jonwil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real issue is which airline you are flying. Some are better than others. Unfortunatly, because national governments like to protect the dinosaur airlines from competition by better airlines (overseas carriers looking to enter the market, startups who think they can draw business away from the big boys), often the airlines that have the good stuff (better food, better seats, better entertainment etc) dont fly the route you want to fly.

      If aviation worldwide was deregulated and e.g. foreign airlines such as Singapore Airlines and QANTAS were allowed to fly domestic routes inside the US, the dinosaur airlines that offer the crappy service like United and American would have to get better or go bust.

      (disclaimer: I have never flown on any US carrier but I have read enough about how US carriers suck from people who have)

    4. Re:I've got a better idea. by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's plenty of competition within the US as it is. You have to ask yourself why none of them have wised up and started offering better service. In fact the one that are doing the best tend to offer the worst amenities.

      The reason is that airline customers care about price above all else. I recall a study (no, I don't have a cite, sorry) where people would ignore significant differences in amenities for as little as a $5 difference in price.

      This is why service sucks everywhere. If an airline cuts food from a price and this allows them to undercut their competitor by some trivial amount, they get a significant influx of new customers. It becomes a race to the bottom, with costs cut on amenities everywhere to allow for reduced ticket prices.

      Because of this it's unlikely that Singapore Airlines or QANTAS would make much of a difference in the US market. They'd either have to do the same stuff in order to compete or they would get priced out of the market.

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    5. Re:I've got a better idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The reason is that airline customers care about price above all else. I recall a study (no, I don't have a cite, sorry) where people would ignore significant differences in amenities for as little as a $5 difference in price.

      People have become hyper-sensitive to price because airlines charge vastly different prices for the same service. You don't have to do much air travel before you have the experience of sitting next to a guy who paid half as much as you did.

    6. Re:I've got a better idea. by TheRedSeven · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This price competition is because of services like Priceline and Kayak.com that only allow you to compare based on price and time, and don't include any of the other amenities that carriers may/may not offer.
      If there are any enterprising developers out there, there may be a market for this...

  3. Is jetlag a /significant/ issue or just annoying? by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Jetlag has not proven to be a significant issue with me or any of the people I have travelled internationally (as in, more than 5 time zones in one go) with. Is it only a significant issue to those who are changing timezone on an almost daily basis?

    Typically if you're travelling west, you just get an hour's nap (or not) on the plane, but stay up an extra 5 - 8 hours or so (or less and go to bed a bit earlier). That's pretty easy to do. You will tend to wake up a little earlier than normal, but that's not a massive deal.

    Travelling east is more difficult, as going to sleep 5 - 8 hours earlier is usually impossible (or impractical if still travelling) so you need to stay up an extra 8 - 12 or so hours, go to bed early, and get extra sleep that night. In both cases, you wind up waking up at roughly a sensible time.

    Perhaps there is a significant group (who I do not travel with) who are unable to stay up for 28 hours on the odd occasion when it's necessary to resync with the local time zone? Or is it that if you do it, say, every week, this technique becomes totally impractical?

  4. Better idea, and requires no fasting by ciaohound · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... delivered in the shell of a virus.

    Surely that's a "treatment protocol" that airline food could handle...
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  5. Some people don't eat after 12 noon by snsh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I went to this 'Vipassana' meditation camp a couple years ago. It's a program where you go to this silent retreat for 10 days and just sit all day and meditate. One of the things that freaks first-timers out is that they feed you breakfast and lunch, but no dinner. You don't eat at all after 12 noon.

    Sure, you're sitting all day and not expending much energy. But one thing you discover is how much better you sleep on an empty stomach.

    1. Re:Some people don't eat after 12 noon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sometimes I skip dinner because I'm busy or whatever but I sleep like crap on those nights so I don't know what you are talking about. Usually I wake several times in the night because I'm hungry. That makes for a pretty rough night.

      I'm in good health, not overweight or any other problems like that.

  6. Next Ryan air Ad by poeidon1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Travel in Ryanair and we take care of your jetlag (by not feeding you)

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  7. Re:Is jetlag a /significant/ issue or just annoyin by spectrokid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You are talking about a typical transatlantic or transcontinental 5-8 hours jetlag. they are indeed easy to overcome. As far as I understand, an 8-12 hour trip (London-Sydney/Tokyo) is a whole different story.

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  8. Re:Poor mice by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, yes they do.
    Just like people die of smoking - the smoking doesn't kill them, but the effects of smoking do.

    We could look at the dangerous effects of jet lag here...
    And we can look at a bit of an unconfirmed urban legend here(but also not disproven, I just can't find an original article)...

    And we can see the long term effects of jetlag (Thanks to mice... Surprisingly... NOT) here...

  9. Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...this was the recommended method back in 1980 when I traveled the Atlantic on a monthly basis.

    1. Eat a regular meal (usually lunch or supper)
    2. Fly and fast
    3. Eat a meal at the next regular meal time. (Usually 10 to 12 hours later).
    4. One day later in the new time zone (GMT+1), all is reset.

    Worked like a charm and was based on research available at the time so I don't see what is so new about the advice.

  10. Re:You don't REALLY care because ... by cp.tar · · Score: 3, Funny

    you're just mad you work at mcdonalds... serving mice.

    Are you talking about the food or the customers?

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  11. Everything old is new again by homey+of+my+owney · · Score: 3, Informative

    This isn't anything new. Argonne National Laboratories did research much like this, to engage the "alternate body" clock. It involves feasting and fasting, with special attention to the day prior to travel crucial to it working:
    Anti-Jet-Lag Diet

  12. Re:Is jetlag a /significant/ issue or just annoyin by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's easy, always travel west. The earth is round.

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  13. Most people are missing the main point here by eniveld · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Judging from the replies, I think a lot of people are missing what they're saying in the referenced study: You start fast way *before* you get on the plane. Anyway, the reasoning behind why this works, is that your body thinks: "Hey, there's no food around. I better wake up Mr. Brain there to go find something to eat. And while you're at it, if you have to start hunting saber tooth tigers at night rather than day, then I'll reset your body clock so you sleep and wake at a different time."

  14. Fasting BEFORE the flight by yelvington · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apparently in haste to make jokes about bad airplane food, most have missed the point that the article refers to fasting BEFORE the flight. The Reuters headline writer also missed that fact.

    The idea is to start pushing your food cycle toward the target before you fly so your body is more receptive to the time change.

    In fact, if you're taking the typical ATL-ICN-HKG route some airplane dining is going to be pretty important. You'll arrive in Hong Kong around 10 p.m. Your elapsed clock time including layover will be nearly 24 hours, and if you manage your eating and sleeping during that time you'll actually be in pretty good shape the morning after your arrival. (Hint: Sleep as much as possible between ATL and mid-Pacific, and only after that should you turn on the entertainment system.)

    Another study suggests that Viagra might help with jet lag, but it might create unrelated issues that you might have trouble explaining.

    1. Re:Fasting BEFORE the flight by TheWizardOfCheese · · Score: 3, Informative

      Exactly. The procedure suggested by the researchers is:

      1. Start with the day you will arrive in your final time zone.
      2. Count back 16 hours from your normal breakfast time on that day, and stop eating from that point.
      3. At your normal breakfast time on the final day, eat a substantial, nutritious, meal

      Note that this means you may have to eat your breakfast on a plane or in an airport, and it may not be your normal breakfast time in the local timezone when you eat breakfast. You are supposed to eat substantial real food, not coffee and a pastry, so you may have to expend some effort and foresight to ensure that such food is available when you are supposed to eat it.

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  15. Re:Comparative Importance by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you are starving after 16 hours you have something wrong with you.

  16. Amenities? by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What are these magic amenities that will make a 4 hours flight with no leg room more bearable for an extra $5?

    People will save $5 on a flight choosing a cheaper one because in economy there's basically no difference. What are the amenities? Coke v Pepsi products? Seats without tears in them? New sickbag in every seat pocket?

    I'd *gladly* pay a smaller amount more for a bit more leg room. I'm not a big person (5'9") but am cramped in economy seats. But the only choice is biz and/or first class, often at 5-10x the price of the economy price. There's no middle ground, so people choose the cheapest economy they can.

    I went from RDU to SJC for about $230 last month. I could have paid up to $500 for the same trip on a different carrier, but still 'economy'. I've flown economy on all the major carriers at one point or another, and they all have the same size seats and basic service, so why pay double for the same thing?

    I almost tried JetBlue, but the scheduling wasn't even close to what I needed, so I'd have had to go the day before and get a hotel for another $200. Plus the JB ticket was $650 or so - close to 3x the price I paid. I've heard good things about JB, but not good enough to pay an extra $620 for my trip.

    If an airline would promote their 'amenities' for the extra few dollars, maybe I'd give it a try, but there's few amenities save legroom that can make a 5 hour trip worth any extra amount of money.