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VIA Open Platform Mini-Notebook Serves up Linux

Vigile writes "VIA is attempting to outdo the ASUS Eee PC with its new OpenBook platform reference design that not only offers up extra features but also supports many more operating system choices as well. The exterior design is pretty damn sexy and is built around (of course) VIA's own CPU and chipset products and can be equipped with WiMAX and/or 3G networking like HSDPA or W-CDMA. What is really impressive is that the device can run versions of Windows Vista or XP, Ubuntu, Suse or gOS." Update: 05/27 13:30 GMT by T : alphadogg adds a bit more information on the "open" part of "Open Platform," writing "The CAD (computer-assisted design) files for the OpenBook reference design can be downloaded for free and made available to anyone under the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 3.0 license. The terms of this license allow the CAD files to be freely copied, shared and modified."

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  1. More details here, neat, clean single page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  2. The external case by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The exterior design is pretty damn sexy

    Are you looking at the same case I am? That thing is hideous.

    1. Re:The external case by Yvanhoe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sexiness is in the trouser of the beholder...

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  3. what an irony... by holywarrior21c · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that today we have another articles in the FP about why we should buy computer preloaded with linux. I am just glad that another company is bringing up linux computer preloaded which is a great challenge to windows and i think that is just stupid idea to think that preloaded OS as tax. just as apple's computers run OS X like a charm, a manufacturer should design a computer for linux as well. that is exactly what we needed. i rather have companies design computers for linux, not windows. I bet it is easier to wipe it out and try other distro. this is good news! another remarking event that shaped year of linux.

    1. Re:what an irony... by qortra · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It could just be me, but they seem not to be pushing that option quite as hard as Asus. Their demo at Computex ran XP, and all these screenshots had Vista's dubious mugshot all over them. I agree that having the "Ready-To-Go" option is nice, but I really hope they push it at least a little.

    2. Re:what an irony... by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most folks just want a few basic features and not too much bother.

      This "Windows" thing isn't even on their radar.

      The age of "it's gotta be DOS compatable man" is over. The
      whole thing is running on inertia and vendor lock now.

      That's why Apple is chipping away at Windows marketshare.
      For many people, the computer might as well be an appliance
      with the OS and all applications burned into a big ROM.

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  4. I'd rather have an X02 by Mr.+Droopy+Drawers · · Score: 3, Interesting
    As intriguing as this is, I, for one, would like to see something like the X02 foldable notebook in an open format.

    This is the first innovative design that I could actually use in a notebook design. My portable requirements rarely have me typing much. The real estate provided in such a design would make the size very versatile.

    But, make make a version with a processor and memory usable for the western countries.

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  5. I wouldn't buy a via system again.. by Manic+Miner · · Score: 4, Informative

    I bought a via system for my home media centre, sold by the promises of Linux support and low power hardware - never again! I've got the worst performing badly supported and buggy heap of junk, lots of things simply don't work even with the latest kernels even when you use Via's nasty binary only drivers.

    On the other hand the Asus machine will come running Linux, so hardware support will be there from the work go.

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    1. Re:I wouldn't buy a via system again.. by mollymoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, but it uses a buggy binary-blob driver for the Atheros WiFi. I'm always having trouble with it failing to connect when waking from sleep or when turned on and off and I'm far from alone. Given the WiFi uses about 10% of the power on an Eee, not being able to reliably turn it on and off when required is a noticeable extra drain on the battery. I wish they'd dump Atheros and go for a WiFi chipset with a proper open-source driver.

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    2. Re:I wouldn't buy a via system again.. by javilon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Every time people talks about Linux on the desktop, they talk about applications, but as you point on your post, the real problem is drivers. The applications are there for many users, but the drivers aren't. Until Linux market share goes up a bit more (something that is only a mater of time), we are still getting sub par drivers (the problem used to be that we didn't get drivers at all), and this is the biggest drawback for any non power user. Troubleshooting drivers forces you to move to the command line, something most people just won't do.

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    3. Re:I wouldn't buy a via system again.. by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Via is a minority player. Unless you go out of your way to be excessively cheap, VIA doesn't exist for you.

      Intel, ATI and Nvidia are far more relevant in this regard.

      Via has a long history of being an anemic performer. This goes
      equally well for Windows or Linux (as some posters have already
      mentioned).

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    4. Re:I wouldn't buy a via system again.. by wITTus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Full ACK!
      Have a look at this thread.
      I'll NEVER NEVER NEVER again buy something from VIA.
      Watch out for mainboards with VIA chipsets!

    5. Re:I wouldn't buy a via system again.. by SaDan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I recently purchased both an Everex gBook VA1500 laptop and an Everex gPC2, both of which use VIA processors and motherboard chipsets with integrated video.

      Wow. I can't believe how bad the OS (gOS) is on either system. The gPC2 isn't as bad as the laptop, but it's still pretty darn bad. I ended up using a PCI video card just so I wouldn't have to deal with the crappy drivers for the integrated graphics for the gPC2.

      The gBook is simply a joke with regards to driver support. I ended using the OpenChrome drivers to get the video to actually display the 1440x900 resolution (VIA binary blobs couldn't even do this!), and now I have to battle the WIFI chipset.

      I have Ubuntu 8.04 LTS running on the gPC2, and put Slackware 12.1 on the gBook because I knew I was going to have to hack the crap out of that kernel and X to get things going.

      I was disappointed in the performance of both systems, and the issues with drivers really made my purchasing experience a poor one. VIA is probably the worst thing that could have happened to Linux from a hardware standpoint, and Everex is not doing their brand name any justice by selling products with such poor software engineering.

  6. Performance by __aardcx5948 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apparently the performance of this CPU is equivalent of a 900 MHz Pentium-M... ( http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/hp-2133-mini-note/4505-3121_7-32924066.html ) or an 800 MHz Intel A110. However, with HW acceleration of a lot of video formats, this won't matter much while watching video, probably. You wouldn't want to run Gentoo on this thing though. ;-)

    1. Re:Performance by Noodlenose · · Score: 2
      You wouldn't want to run Gentoo on this thing though

      Why's that then ?

      Nn

    2. Re:Performance by __aardcx5948 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because (afaik) Gentoo primarily compiles its packages, and that would take a very long time on this piece of hardware.

    3. Re:Performance by ErroneousBee · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not that I'm a fan of gentoo, but it does have a binary bootstrap thing, and also is able to offload the compilation onto other machines using distcc or similar.

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  7. Re:Vista for masochists by nawcom · · Score: 4, Funny

    Please respect the open source BDSM community. Thank you.

  8. Up to 3 hours???? by Paul+Carver · · Score: 4, Informative

    How can people seriously call these things "ultra mobile" when they have to keep getting plugged into a wall outlet? An gee, I wonder why none of the photos show them plugged in. I suppose with a 50 foot extension cord you could be "ultra mobile".

    My Lifebook P2120 gets about 8 hours with its dual battery setup and I consider that adequate although I wish it could do better. How many people work less than 8 hours? When I leave the house I grab my P2120, I don't pack a bag with a charger or spare battery. Eight hours can just barely get me through the day if I'm careful to set the screen brightness to minimum and hibernate a couple times.

    Call me when an "ultra mobile" gets 10 hours of "typical" battery life, not 3 hours of "up to" battery life.

    I'm looking at the Lifebook T2010 as a replacement for my slow and somewhat beat up (dropped it a few times) P2120.

    The T2010 is a bit bigger than the P2120, but with 11 hours of battery life I'm probably going to overlook its flaws and its steep price tag.

    My typical use is wandering around theatre using software to control the stage lighting via 802.11g. To me "ultra mobile" means the computer comes with me as I move around and I don't have to stop working several times a day to recharge, or carry a pile of spare batteries, or drag an extension cord around.

    1. Re:Up to 3 hours???? by MBCook · · Score: 2, Informative

      No kidding. My 2.4GHz MacBook Pro gets 2.5-3.5 hours of battery life when surfing with WiFi on and possibly listening to music and doing other activities. Why would I want a crippled little laptop that gets the same battery life?

      Don't get me wrong. I see real appeal in little laptops. If there were 12" MacBook Pros, I would have considered one. But if I'm going to get a small laptop where I have to compromise on things like CPU power, I want something out of that compromise: I want battery life.

      For such a relatively slow laptop (someone said CNet puts it at the speed of a 900MHz P3) I would think you could build a system to get at least 5 hours. But if I have to haul around a power adapter and such, I might as well haul around a better notebook too.

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    2. Re:Up to 3 hours???? by deathguppie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fact is that a lot of us are tired of lugging around a laptop. If the screen and features on my smart phone were capable I would just use that.

      The reality is that my $400 eeepc is almost perfect for my needs. I'd be willing to say perfect if the screen was a little bigger. (the next model will have this)

      The fact is, a lot of people aren't using their laptop as a desktop at work. We just want to be able to have an easy mobile system that we can use when we need to access other systems or to carry data to and from remote locations.

      That being the case, I find 3 hours more than enough. I usually keep the power adapter in my bag and pull the end out and plug it in while I'm sitting at my desk. I've never run out of power when I needed it.

      I have a laptop as well, but its been sitting on the shelf at home now for a few months, and my shoulder is very thankful for it.

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    3. Re:Up to 3 hours???? by mollymoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's 1/4 the price of a MacBook Pro.

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  9. Re:Yes.... RTFA by y86 · · Score: 2, Informative

    O.S. Support:

    Vista
    XP
    Linux

  10. So I can see what Via is doing, by zsouthboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but I'm not sure how it's going to work in the end: since they can't compete with the marketing budgets of the big boys, they're attempting to leverage the open source community - they're being "different" to stand out.

    Releasing materials under CC license, etc., in hopes that someone else will take it and run with it, make a funny youtube parody video, something like that to generate buzz.

    It *could* work, if they don't try to force it.
    In the past when companies have tried to do something similar (case in point, Sony with the PSP blog thing), they've always been the ones behind the (seemingly unbiased) blog or website talking about the product - and it backfires.

  11. Re:1.6 GHz for $500? by domatic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would anyone buy a sub-laptop for a mere hundred or two less than a full laptop?



    I agree with you with UMPCs are going the wrong way being ever more featured and expensive. I want to see something like an EEE PC in a blister pack at Target for $150. We'll probably get there too but it will require a new manufacturer that has no "big laptop" lines to protect and isn't bound by any sort of agreement with MS that would require crippling such devices.

    However there are reasons to want such devices even with the feeping creaturism and ever climbing price point. The size, weight, and ruggedness of these devices lend themselves to being used in a way that I wouldn't use a cheap "full laptop". They can be casually carried in one hand and you can get around quite rapidly with one. They'll survive drops and bangs that would kill their $100 more competition and better tolerate being frequently picked up and put down in funny places. They'll most definitely stand up to kid abuse better. If nothing else, these things are like ToughBooks on the cheap.
  12. VIA to (finally) Open their spec by DrYak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are they opening up their specs with this and allowing real DRI support, or keeping it proprietary. They're opening their Spec.
    They've announced around 1~1.5 month ago that they were going to join the open-source fest of Intel and ATI.

    At first, due to the lack of ouput, some called bluff and though VIA only pulled a PR stunt.
    But recently VIA finally released huge chunks of code under GPLv2, and thus opensource project like openchrome and unichrome will definitely get a boost.

    Specially since the VIA openbook is more based on classical VIA platform (instead of, say, an Isaiah with either their newest chrome chipset with hardware H264 decode [the one for which they where hiring opensource talents] or with that nVidia integrated solution as world's cheapest Vista Premium platform) I think it could benefit from full opensource support very soon.

    We need to pay close attention to the future development of the VIA opensource drivers.
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  13. cad files? by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 3, Informative

    Looks like these are just pro-e files of the case design. When I can get gerber files for the motherboard and VHDL files of the ASICS, I'll be impressed.

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  14. I know I'm weird by pizzach · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think they are personally half-assing it with most notebooks. Strange as it may seem, I would prefer if there was an option to buy most laptops without a battery. The damn batteries don't last very long when you do have them anyway, many people use their laptops as portable desktops, batteries tend to make the laptop that much heavier when you change your work venue, they add a lot to the price of the base system, and having one less battery manufactured is most likely helping the environment.

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  15. Re:Vista for masochists by rbanffy · · Score: 2, Funny

    The GP refers to the much larger Windows BDSM-mostly-M community.