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Olympic Tickets Contain Microchip With Your Data

OMNIpotusCOM writes "Tickets to the Olympic opening and closing ceremonies will contain a microchip with information about the ticket holder, including a photograph, passport details, addresses, e-mail, and telephone numbers. The stated intent is to keep troublemakers out of the 91,000-seat National Stadium so that they cannot cause disruptions while China is on world-wide television, but it brings up serious concerns for privacy and identity theft."

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  1. Well That's It by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, that's it then. I'm not going.

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    1. Re:Well That's It by dreddnott · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, I was so going before this news came out. Totally unlike the PRC!

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    2. Re:Well That's It by NoobixCube · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's totally unlike the PRC is that we've heard about it.

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    3. Re:Well That's It by Porsche917K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sod the PRC. If it's been done once, I'd bet good money on exactly the same system being used in London in 2012, too.

      Yay.

    4. Re:Well That's It by CmdrGravy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually I think the Government has some sort of wet dream of using the Olympics to roll out some of it's identity card nonsense so expect it to much worse than anything China is currently planning.

    5. Re:Well That's It by BananaPeel · · Score: 3, Informative
      Yep definately.

      Just go to the 2012 event

      After all in 2012 in the UK you'll have:

      Tracking technology is being developed that can enable a spectator to be tracked from the venue to his or her home with the tickets, what Assistant Commissioner Ghaffur calls "end-to-end tracking of tickets". http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7340174.stm

      I am sure that can't be abused
    6. Re:Well That's It by mdwh2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it's been done once, I'd bet good money on exactly the same system being used in London in 2012, too.

      Exactly the same? No, no - whatever China do to invade individual privacy, you can be sure that the UK Government plan to outdo them ;)

      As an added bonus, all of the microchipped tickets will be lost in the post.

    7. Re:Well That's It by ihatewinXP · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well I have been inside the birds nest for three events now and here are my experiences:

      1st time - walked right through security. Got the magic wand treatment - they didnt take my lighter - kosher like Christmas

      2nd time - Might as well have been going through a gestapo checkpoint. Literally took me five minutes of taking my entire wardrobe apart, checking my iphone, and harassing me to my obvious annoyance before I got through

      3rd time - (Two nights ago) I beeped going through the metal detector - she gave me the magic wand (quite courteously) and waved me through (lighter still in my pocket)

      The place is absolutely gorgeous, China will have it together and seems to be finding a middle ground to handle the huge influx they will be faced with.

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  2. Oh the irony. by mrbluze · · Score: 5, Insightful

    .. it brings up serious concerns for privacy and identity theft. Coming from a nation that brings up serious concerns for pretty much every other human right I can think of, this comes as no surprise.
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    1. Re:Oh the irony. by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is this irony? How can you possibly go to China and not expect these sort of massive privacy/rights violations?

    2. Re:Oh the irony. by mrbluze · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ow can you possibly go to China and not expect these sort of massive privacy/rights violations? Because for a second people might be thinking China might at least try to be nice for a change, at least to foreigners with whom they might want to do business.
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    3. Re:Oh the irony. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anyone who thinks that hasn't paid any attention to China for decades.

    4. Re:Oh the irony. by mrbluze · · Score: 5, Informative

      And the question still remains, how is that irony? There is an incongruity or discordance between what a speaker or a writer says and what he or she means. China is touting itself as a country that is reforming and ever more foreigner-friendly, yet this is what happens. Ok, it's not surprising, but it's still ironic. That good enough for you?
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    5. Re:Oh the irony. by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed. Compare that to the USofA where they are very clear that you are not welcome and that they will do anything to make you feel unwelcome. They also will force other countries to do the same.

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  3. Scalpers? by mrbluze · · Score: 5, Funny

    Chinese authorities initially considered tying all 6.8 million tickets to individuals .. and then it says..

    The plan [tried once in Germany] was aimed at deterring scalpers... Why don't they just attach them to people's scalps. Scalpers can then go about their business in the traditional fashion, possibly as was once practiced at the original Olympics thousands of years ago.
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  4. Just wait this is only the first by arthurpaliden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually the real scarry thing is that if it works there then we are sure to see it used in other venues where security is a consern such as the World Cup (Soccer).

    1. Re:Just wait this is only the first by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Funny

      I wouldnt be surprised if it didnt trickle down to even the major games in Footbal, Soccer, Baseball etc...

      It will trickle down much further than that. Soon you will need one of these cards to unlock the door to your house... from the inside.

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    2. Re:Just wait this is only the first by Marillion · · Score: 4, Informative

      They already did .... http://www.pcworld.com/ and http://networks.silicon.com/

      Counterfeiting was the public reasoning for the RFID chips in the 2006 World Cup tickets.

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    3. Re:Just wait this is only the first by Splab · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are already planning on introducing it to soccer games (not passport information though) for purpose of tracking violent fans in Denmark.

  5. I don't see the problem by Phantombrain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't see the problem with this. It's not like China has ever has taken advantage of technology to control people there. There aren't any stories of people being arrested just for disagreeing with the government. There aren't any human rights issues in China.

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  6. Tibet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    >> so that they cannot cause disruptions while China is on world-wide television

    So much for free Tibet... with every purchase.

  7. cruise by overcaffein8d · · Score: 4, Interesting

    i went on a cruise and having photos seems quite regular for regulating getting on and off the boat. i can understand China's point of view of trying to keep out bad people. though it raises moral concerns, don't forget that there's a big chance for terrorism--especially with the protests to china. i'm not saying that it's a good thing; i'm just playing the devil's advocate-- i don't want big brother either, unless it's in the hands that i voted for.

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    1. Re:cruise by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      explain how having personal information would prevent any trouble makers, or terrorists?

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    2. Re:cruise by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i can understand China's point of view of trying to keep out bad people

      Sorry, for me the chinese government are the bad people.

    3. Re:cruise by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In China someone is a terrorist if they believe in free speech and decent wages.

  8. OMG by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ticketmaster China

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  9. Call me a skeptic, but by Prisoner's+Dilemma · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Call me a skeptic, but I don't see how having my email address embedded in a ticket would keep out troublemakers.

    Maybe they feel there's a correlation between someone who doesn't want to share personal information and troublemaker.

    1. Re:Call me a skeptic, but by OMNIpotusCOM · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cause disruption, get junkmail. Lots... of junkmail.

    2. Re:Call me a skeptic, but by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 4, Funny

      Indeed, any male streakers should expect a torrent of penis enlargement emails.

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    3. Re:Call me a skeptic, but by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Won't work. My ISP blocks torrents.

  10. Re:Inevitable by mrbluze · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, while the natives are doing their sacrificial dance around the flame and we sit in the big cauldron, we should remain informed and alert, fully aware of what's happening as the hairy guy in the funny hat puts the flaming torch at the base and we start enjoying a terminal hot bath, knowing full well that Tarzan will come and save us?

    Life's no Hollywood movie. People DO get boiled in cauldrons and we ARE screwed unless we act. Being alert and informed isn't enough.

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  11. would this be unreasonable for a business? by VoidEngineer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Going on the premise that China is the worlds first mature fascist government, would these tickets be considered unreasonable if the Olympics were being sponsored by a corporation? What if ExxonMobil hosted the Olympics? Or Walmart? Or HSBC? Or General Electric? If any of these companies hosted a sporting event, would it be unreasonable for them, as a business, to track this data within the tickets? My thinking is that China is simply becoming more of a corporate entity than a nation (albeit, a corporation with a billion employees). It seems like these tickets reflect that concept. Agree? Disagree?

    1. Re:would this be unreasonable for a business? by Ravon+Rodriguez · · Score: 2, Funny

      Disagree, unless China plans on cold calling me during dinner.

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  12. Those pesky troublemakers, eh? by Attaturk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The stated intent is to keep troublemakers out of the 91,000-seat National Statdium so that they cannot cause disruptions while China is on world-wide television, but it brings up serious concerns for privacy and identity theft.

    I'd say it also brings up pretty serious concerns about the various definitions and interpretations of the word "troublemaker". Perspective is a wonderful thing - until they take it from you. ;)
  13. Re:Inevitable by MsGeek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Look guys, certain things are inevitable.

    I don't buy this.

    They will eventually clone a human - somewhere in the world - regardless of laws.

    Arguably this has already taken place. If you mean clone a human and implant the clone in a human womb, or else have some sort of artificial womb technology to bring the cloned embryo to term...that may take a while.

    We will eventually have computer chips embedded under our skin - it will start with a way to track children, then a way to expedite purchases, then a way to hold critical medical info and so on.

    Do this in the US and you will have a million zillion Christians up in arms. Literally. The "Left Behind" book series was a huge-ass bestseller in a country where most people don't read if they don't have to. This might happen elsewhere, like the PRC, Vladimir Putin's Russian Federation, Japan...in fact, my prediction is that it will happen first in Japan and it will be promoted as a youth trend. It will never happen in the US. It will probably not happen in Alberta, Canada. It will probably not happen in certain Central and South American countries. It will probably not happen in South Korea, which is almost as Christian-centric as the US is.

    Nothing is inevitable except death and taxes. Period.

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  14. Uhm... Why? by MaliciousSmurf · · Score: 5, Informative

    If it's for one event, it strikes me that they could have a unique ID number for each ticket, and then just cross-reference that number with an external database. Methinks that'd take care of a lot of problems.

  15. Wrong Order by camperdave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We will eventually have computer chips embedded under our skin - it will start with a way to track children, then a way to expedite purchases, then a way to hold critical medical info and so on.

    I think you've got some things out of order. We've already started by chipping pets and certain researchers. I think the next thing would be chipping soldiers as a replacement/supplement to dog tags. Once there, it will be a small step to chipping the elderly and ill, especially Alzheimer's and those who tend to wander off and forget things. Next will be children. Then, last of all, joe consumer. After all, Joe can carry a paypass RFID keyfob, or an RFID credit card. So why get it implanted?

    Oh, and prisoners. They'll wind up getting chipped at some point as well.

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    1. Re:Wrong Order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Number 983186... Stop pretending to be number 24601 'Engelbot'. Now get back in line.

  16. Really worse than the last one? by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Where Visa was a sponsor and you could only use a Visa card to buy tickets.

    If they wanted to, they could have very easily tracked card number, and thereby person buying, with ticket info.

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  17. So What? by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most of the visitors will already have an RFID passport on them.

    1. Re:So What? by momerath2003 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I literally keep mine wrapped in aluminum foil. Let's see the scanners get through my paranoid Faraday cage.

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  18. China does not have to be nice. by arthurpaliden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So long as everyone wants to buy cheap stuff at WalMart, the foreigners will not care about the human rights record of China only that they saved 'all this money' buying stuff they do not need with money they do not have.

    1. Re:China does not have to be nice. by bm_luethke · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you think it is only cheap stuff at wal-mart you may want to start checking your labels again.

      There are many high dollar products crappily made in China and sold at whatever your favorite retail outlet happens to be.

      I don't find wal-mart to be particularly worse than the vast majority of stores in terms of amount of crappy Chinese goods. The others, for whatever reason, make people feel good for paying more for the same crap they could have gotten for 20% less (and a different brand stuck on said products coming off the same assembly line with the same materials).

      To find non-crap you not only have to be lucky enough to have a store locally that sales such items but also know enough about whatever you are purchasing to know what is and isn't crap.

      In the end people purchasing crappy products made in china at a high price contribute more than people purchasing cheaply made items at a cheap price. The profit margin there is HUGE even when you take into account the extra money spent on advertisement to get people to hate the less expensive place to purchase it.

      And, to note, one can very much find some quality items made in China - I have some cookware and cutlery that is quite good (and yes, I have several good kitchen knives - a few Henckel "s" grades and a Shun - but it is really hard to beat a Chinese high carbon steel cleaver and the hammered carbon steel woks are great).

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    2. Re:China does not have to be nice. by vux984 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't find wal-mart to be particularly worse than the vast majority of stores in terms of amount of crappy Chinese goods. The others, for whatever reason, make people feel good for paying more for the same crap they could have gotten for 20% less (and a different brand stuck on said products coming off the same assembly line with the same materials).

      Sometimes yes they are the same.

      Sometimes the materials going in aren't quite the same quality. (using lower quality steel, or cheaper plastics, or whatever...)

      Sometimes the goods coming out are held to lower standards. (ie stuff that would have been rejected for the 'premium brand' is good enough for the 'walmart brand'.

      I recall film in particular was like this some years ago. The brand name stuff and the generic stuff was indeed made in the same factory on the same line from the same stuff. But QC on the brand name stuff was higher. Flaws in batches that didn't meet the brand's QC levels but were still 'ok' were sold under the generic brand.

      Bottom line, knowing a product came from the same factory and even assembly line as product X means squat. It might be the same product. Or it might be highly inferior.

    3. Re:China does not have to be nice. by digitig · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There are many high dollar products crappily made in China and sold at whatever your favorite retail outlet happens to be. Not necessarily as crappily made. I once visited a clothing factory in China, and the factory floor was divided into two. On one side were the low-skill girls using poor quality sewing machines churning out the cheap stuff. When they got to a certain standard they were promoted to the other side of the shop floor, got a pay rise, used better quality (western!) sewing machines and got stricter quality control. There are differences, even in stuff coming out of the same factory.
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    4. Re:China does not have to be nice. by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 2, Funny

      Indeed, and I support them. I only purchase the finest Chinese crap available.

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  19. Why bother with photos? by BluBrick · · Score: 4, Funny

    Westerners all look the same, anyway.


    What's that? Ohh, you round-eyes got no sense of humour!

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    1. Re:Why bother with photos? by mrbluze · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's that? Ohh, you round-eyes got no sense of humour! I've got square eyes, you insensitive clod!
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  20. Why are we putting up with this? by Crayboff · · Score: 3, Funny

    This should not be tolerated! Our president must take a stand! President Bush should be willing to have America boycott the opening ceremony, just as the French President is willing to do, if China does not stop this nonsense-ical human rights violations.

    1. Re:Why are we putting up with this? by corsec67 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What do you mean Bush should oppose what China is doing?

      He is probably taking notes, like "Hmm, that is a good idea, that is a tad bit too far for now, that another good idea"

      We already have RFID chips in our passports. The government is engaging in warrantless wiretaps, the National Security Letter is a blatant violation of the first amendment, Gitmo, War on Drugs, etc...

      You don't need to look further than Washington to see "nonsense-ical human rights violations"

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  21. Re:Inevitable by networkzombie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is a huge difference between voluntary and mandatory. This is the Union. You're thinking of Britain. Try that mandatory shit here and hundreds of Michigan militias, California cults, and Utah polygamists will forcibly remove every senator and congressmen and throw them into the Boston Harbor. It will be the Boston RFID Rave of the century. China can do what it wants... for now.

  22. The home of the free? by thesupraman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ROTFL

    Yes, thats why we see the good ole US of A protecting its citizens rights so very very well these days.

    Tell people that it will stop the terrorism, drug problems, and help them buy new Hummers, and people will be voting FOR it, not against.

    After all, pretty quickly the majority will see that this would be a great way to accurately identify those 'troublemakers' you mentioned, and keep them out of their nice safe middle-class lives.

    I estimate that if you chipped the soldiers overseas, at least 20% of the US population would get chips just to show their support!

    1. Re:The home of the free? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Funny

      I estimate that if you chipped the soldiers overseas, at least 20% of the US population would get chips just to show their support! You'll also get all the uber-chrisitans and the uber-leftist/anarchists together for the first time, proving that politics makes strange bedfellows.

      Wow, that would be an interesting protest.
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  23. In Communist China... by Neflyte_Zero · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...Olympics watch you!

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  24. Re:Inevitable by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Funny
    They will eventually clone a human

    It's already been done - just look in the popular music charts.

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  25. If you are not a Chinese citizen... by vigmeister · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I do not see why you would have a problem with this. As someone who entered the United States from a different country, when I paid to attend college, all my information is tracked by the government (through my college). Other privacy issues involve my phone calls being freely tapped into. In fact, something that inconveniences me (not a privacy issue) is people not being able to transfer money into my bank account online which marks me as a non-resident alien.

    As an alien in this country, I am subjected to intrusion of privacy by a multitude of institutions that I do business with - The only way to avoid that is to "go under" and become an illegal immigrant.

    I perfectly understand the need for this. I am an immigrant to the USA and if the society here (which has been nice enough to tolerate me) feels safer by having my life glimpsed at, I am OK with it. I strongly dislike it, but atleast they let me stay here eh?

    What my college does with my privacy and what the Olympics committee of China does with a tourist's is not all that different.

    I would however be mighty pissed if I were a Chinese citizen and subjected to this treatment. I truly feel sorry for them.

    I am just pointing out that aliens in a country having their privacy violated is not unusual and as an alien I am not particularly bothered by China doing it to tourists.

    Note: This is NOT an "I have nothing to hide" issue. It's more of "Thanks for letting me be in your house, you can watch me and I will be on my best behaviour"

    Cheers!

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    1. Re:If you are not a Chinese citizen... by pythonist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You tell the foreign side of story. I will tell you from the Chinese side. As a Chinese, I don't see any problem neither. As long as I buy tickets using my credit card, my info is already there. Ticket contain my name in DB is not a problem at all. We can tolerate some level of privacy violation for safty reason, just as Americans can tolerate tight security check in airport. Check in Chinese airpot is like a joke before recently for Olympics but we dont' think it has anything to do with freedom. We simply don't need such security level before Olympics. Foreigners simply don't understand the way Chinese people do things --- we don't deem personal freedom in No.1 priority and there are many things more important to our value system such as family and social harmonious. PS. I'm new to writing here so If someone tell me how to paragraphing I will appreciate much.

    2. Re:If you are not a Chinese citizen... by theJavaMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Foreigners simply don't understand the way Chinese people do things --- we don't deem personal freedom in No.1 priority and there are many things more important to our value system such as family and social harmonious.
      I guess you really do deserve the country, the government and the society you have.
    3. Re:If you are not a Chinese citizen... by pythonist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The same to you.

  26. Re:I laugh at all anti-China comments by vigmeister · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While your point about ignorance causing the anti-Chinese sentiment is something I agree with, your disparaging comments about the US and Europe not changing/progressing rapidly and shrinking instead seems to be just as ill informed.

    Cheers!

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  27. bad people by poptones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    with... flags! Those evil terrorists might unfurl a flag and kill... no one!

    It's sad the tone of this article from CANADA so readily equates acts of terrorism with the possibility of someone simply unfurling a tibetan flag. Is it just the english speaking countries that have gone completely batshit insane, or is liberty actually enadangered EVERYWHERE in the world now?

    1. Re:bad people by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is it just the english speaking countries that have gone completely batshit insane, or is liberty actually enadangered EVERYWHERE in the world now? It's the latter. However, this is no change from before. Liberty has always been endangered everywhere in the world. Liberty is not the natural state of humanity. It can only be preserved through the constant actions of those who support it.
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  28. Re:Inevitable by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Insightful

    we ARE screwed unless we act So what are you doing besides posting on the interfrets?
  29. Obligatory by Firefalcon · · Score: 2, Funny

    In Communist China your ticket holds you!

  30. And If I go to the US (rant/troll) by aepervius · · Score: 4, Informative

    I get finger printed, photographied, sometimes interrogated, paper-ed, belt & shoe stripped , and in future even technically stripped with some Tera-hertz waves. They can also snoop my laptop, require that I give my addresses where I live, and as far as I know, I have to have my passport ready at any time. The only difference I see, is that the chinese want to keep the same info on a stadium ticket and most probably in a database, whereas the US keep it in a database.Big. Effing. Deal. Sorry but you both suck for foreigner on privacy ground.

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    1. Re:And If I go to the US (rant/troll) by lgw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the Chinese are probably not actively rude to you during the entry process either, something we in the US *really* need to fix. If we're going to collect all this info from visitors, at least we should do it politely! I'm very pro-US by /. standards, but this situation is an embarassment to the nation - there's no excuse for thus sort of rudeness by government officials.

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    2. Re:And If I go to the US (rant/troll) by Gorm+the+DBA · · Score: 2, Funny
      You're free not to come in whenever you please.

      Sorry, but cross our borders, submit to our policies.

      Similarly, you're free not to go to China and attend the Olympics if you wish not to.

      (okay...I'm done channeling Bush...can you please remove the electrodes from my genetalia now?)

    3. Re:And If I go to the US (rant/troll) by Chelloveck · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And the Chinese are probably not actively rude to you during the entry process either, something we in the US *really* need to fix. If we're going to collect all this info from visitors, at least we should do it politely!

      Amen, brother! I'm a US citizen (middle-aged White Anglo-Saxon Programmer) who occasionally travels abroad. Without exception, the US customs officials have been the rudest I've ever encountered.

      <rant class="us_border_policies">I was in England at the height of the whole Mad Cow thing. When I returned to the US they distributed fliers on the plane warning us about Mad Cow, that it was a very serious thing and be sure to disclose if you've been to any place rural. The same fliers were posted all over the international terminal at O'Hare. So I fessed up to the customs guy (or is it the immigration guy? Whoever stamps your passport) that yes, I'd been hiking in rural England, I had crossed a few cow pastures, and probably trod in a cowpie or two. He just grunted(*) and waved me through. WTF?! What's the point of all the warnings if they're not going to do anything about it?</rant>

      (*)And I mean that literally. He grunted. Not a single syllable of any intelligible language came out of this guy's mouth. And that brings us back to having the rudest officials in the world.

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    4. Re:And If I go to the US (rant/troll) by photomonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sir (or Ma'am):

      I travel quite extensively for business and pleasure to countries rich and poor, 'Eastern' and 'Western.'

      I can assure you that being a foreigner visiting another country never gives you many rights, everyone keeps databases and your information is probably never really that secure.

      I have applied for visas for various countries and have been shown my intelligence record for a few, including information about where I stayed in-country, who my contacts there were, and even in one case, the brand of cigarettes I smoked (quit years ago).

      I do work as a journalist, so I stick out a bit more, but I can guarantee that the folks who travel all the time with big companies have equally thick files.

      I'm not disagreeing with you, but only pointing out that these days, everyone plays spy games with foreign visitors.

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