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Adobe Flash Zero-Day Attack Underway

Robellus writes "Security researchers have found evidence of a previously unknown Adobe Flash vulnerability being exploited in the wild. The zero-day flaw has been added to the Chinese version of the MPack exploit kit and there are signs that the exploits are being injected into third-party sites to redirect targets to malware-laden servers. From the article: 'Continued investigation reveals this issue is fairly widespread. Malicious code is being injected into other third-party domains (approximately 20,000 web pages) most likely through SQL-injection attacks. The code then redirects users to sites hosting malicious Flash files exploiting this issue.'"

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  1. And people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And people wonder why I use noscript and flashblock. When untrusted adds in flash are being served on big "trusted" websites people are eventually going to get bit.

    1. Re:And people by mrbluze · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And people wonder why I use noscript and flashblock I imagine those using the malware are not hoping that sensible people such as yourself get infected at all, but the PC's belonging to the members of the unwashed e-masses who wouldn't have the foggiest what anyone's talking about. Their computers are much better because the life of your exploit is likely to be long and chances of anyone chasing and finding you are slim.
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    2. Re:And people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Protip: Noscript will not save you.

      I am not saying it wouldn't HELP both in usability of websites and security. I use it myself, too.

      I am, however, saying that it keeps you a lot less secure than many (not specifically the person I'm responding to) seem to think.

      I have used NoScript for half a year or so (Well, a bit longer I think but half a year on this OS install, this whitelist, etc.)

      What does this mean? I have several hundreds of, possibly thousands of, whitelisted websites. I play a lot of small flash games to kill time so I have addictinggames, miniclips, arcade and a dozen other flash game sites whitelisted.

      "I know the webmaster of arcade.fi personally, a good guy, I can keep his website whitelisted, right?" Well... I also know he buys most of the games from freelance coders in india. Quite cheaply. How can I be certain that one day in one of these programs won't be a zero day exploit? I can't. So a trusted website that has always been trusted might still not be trustworthy.

      Same with many other sites. I (and I know many others of you) have also many pornsites whitelisted, how do I know one of those trusted websites with a lot of traffic won't one day have been hacked to have some exploitation code? I don't.

      NoScript won't protect me against any sites that I visit often, really.

    3. Re:And people by zwei2stein · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, using ad-blockers like this is considered to be taboo behavior in most of forum communities.

      I have seen it quite few times, someone had problem with noisy ads, someone else suggests adblock, site admin appears, has long sad speech how adblockers are worst thing ever and bans person suggesting use of adblock and tells person which has problem with ads to deal with it or move on.

      There is some pressure NOT to use such tools. And nice people do listen.

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    4. Re:And people by Daengbo · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's why you should be using Gnash. Monoculture (all Flash being played by Adobe Flash player) is a bad thing when an infection occurs.

    5. Re:And people by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's pretty much it.

      It's nice for you that you don't get infected. But you don't count (not trying to be belittling you, nobody counts). What counts is numbers. And for one person who knows what he's doing when clicking a link, there's thousands who don't know the difference between browser, flash and the OS.

      And these people are a problem. They become spam relays, increasing traffic (and making spamfilters a necessity). They get ripped off by password stealing trojans, making the services they use more expensive for everyone in turn (because neither banks, nor amazon, nor ebay simply swallow the loss, they just have everyone pay a few cents more).

      And no, I have no solution for the problem. Unfortunately I'm not in the position to dictate who may use the net and who may not. Actually, the ones that do have the legal muscle to dictate it want those "unwashed masses" rather than people who know how to use their computers. The former group tends to buy. The latter tends to know how to do it themselves.

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    6. Re:And people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's what temporary permissions are for. I have a very small, very select list of whitelisted sites, and everything else is temporary as needed. Plus, I have all flash objects blocked until I allow them. Period. Even trusted sites get this restriction -- I don't like my browser autostarting some annoying flash clip just because the site author thought it would be cute to include their "pet spider" on their website.

    7. Re:And people by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, ads are a necessity for many pages. Someone has to pay for it. So of course they don't enjoy adblockers.

      On the other hand, invasive and outright obnoxious ads tend to kill the experience, so people start looking for ways to get rid of them.

      As usual, the best way is something both sides can "live" with. Take /. Yes, the page has ads. Yes, I see them (sometimes I even click on some). They don't bother me. They are topical. Often even interesting. So I don't block them. And I'm fairly sure nobody here took /. as the reason to start hunting for an adblocker.

      It's pages that run full page in-your-face ads that make their users turn to adblockers. And those ads will be blocked. Some pages turned to tools that ensured that, if you block their ads, you don't get to see their content. Which in turn often backfired and kept people who didn't block the ads but just happened to have some sort of freaky setup to be locked out as well.

      Hmm... honestly, I didn't want to turn this into a tirade about DRM.

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    8. Re:And people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and tells person which has problem with ads to deal with it or move on. To which the correct response is "screw you, your crappy ad-riddled forum and the horse you rode in on".

      These asshats just don't get it. If I have configured MY browser not to obey every link on your shitty page, that is none of your business.
    9. Re:And people by NoobixCube · · Score: 4, Funny

      An example of the knowledge of the masses: When I commented to my mother that I spent the day watching flash cartoons, she thought I meant animated porn.

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    10. Re:And people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It plays them now

    11. Re:And people by Spad · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lucky guess?

    12. Re:And people by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

      Umm... there are other cartoons on the net?

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    13. Re:And people by obi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not as if there never have been any exploits for the JPG or PNG decoders in common browsers. Will you now browse the web with images blocked too?

    14. Re:And people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      i find swfdec to be better with youtube atm

    15. Re:And people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And these people are a problem. Only in the sense that people who get the flu are a problem. The real troublemaker here is a tiny program called Flash which needs updates every few weeks to fix yet another vulnerability. The quality of that program is atrocious, especially considering its market penetration and the size of the company which spawned it. Pointing fingers at people who do not make system maintenance their mission does exactly nothing to solve the problem. The only people who can solve it are the people who write bad software, and with very few exceptions that's all software today.
    16. Re:And people by pizzach · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if the current version in your distribution's repositories is not able to play YouTube videos, the cvs version at least can. I remember reading somewhere that getting and keeping YouTube movies playable was a top priority.

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    17. Re:And people by NoobixCube · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's completely beside the point :P

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    18. Re:And people by grm_wnr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is no alternative to Flash. Flash would likely be marginalized by now if FLV hadn't come along; it saved Flash's ass and, to Adobe's credit, made ubiquitous video on the web a reality. Seriously, remember the olden days? Quicktime and WMV, of which the former works fine on Mac OS but is an abomination of a plugin on Windows (easily worse than Flash), and the latter being what you went with if you wanted shit to work for at least the majority of people, even though it was horrible and, philosophically speaking, just plain WRONG? Or use Java, with its massive startup time and memory footprint, to play the pretty laughable (right now) Theora codec? Flash is (relatively) fast, crossplatform, and EVERYWHERE, so it's the smallest of a whole lot of evils. Unless you want Google to include a video layer in their toolbar, and therefore be forced to istall it, your best bet is to bother Adobe to make Flash more secure.

    19. Re:And people by Rojo^ · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now that you mention it, Strongbad is topless far too often....

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    20. Re:And people by CaptnMArk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My guess, CVS was available sooner.

      Also, for a developer who only does update/work/diff/commit, CVS (and SVN) is easier
      to use than git.

    21. Re:And people by aliquis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If only that video-in-webpages-standard was implemented (is in Safari now) and used it would be so sweet to just remove that flashcrap alltogether. Too bad on webpages made only in flash but well, those suck anyway =P

    22. Re:And people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      $git init
      $git commit -a -m "That was easy."

    23. Re:And people by pizzach · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just installed the newest CVS 20 minutes ago. YouTube definitely still plays. Be warned though that it currently uses a crapload of CPU, and there can be a video lag while gnash loads things. Afterwards its fine though.

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    24. Re:And people by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's because software, like all products, follow the unholy trinity of speed, quality and price. You can get two optimized, but never all three.

      If it's good and cheap, it takes forever to do it.
      If it's good and quickly done, it won't be cheap.
      If it's cheap and quickly patched together, it will be anything but good.

      Now, look at the market of today and tell me which strategy allows you to sell your product.

      It's not just software, this system works in every area. And the only thing that keeps it in check, unfortunately, is safety regulations and liability. Else we'd have gas lines that blow up every now or then and cars that make it a matter of luck whether they break when you hit the metal.

      The current hype is price. How many products do you know that sell through quality? The selling point is how CHEAP it is and how much you SAVE when you buy it.

      The same works for software. Yes, you could create a rock solid, absolutely stable system. Software follows the same rules as above. It can be cheap and solid, but it will take ... 17 years I think so far to make it. For reference, see Linux.

      But I can't find an example for solid and quick. I guess the company that tried it went bankrupt before they were done...

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    25. Re:And people by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, using ad-blockers like this is considered to be taboo behavior in most of forum communities.

      I'm quite active in a lot of forums and while some webmeisters might bitch about it, they have every right to write piss poor web code (including intrusive banners) and I have every right NOT to see such crap when I browse.

      do you believe it when TV shows make you feel like you are 'stealing' if you don't watch the ads between the show segments?

      how is blocking ads any diff?

      why would you just 'give in' to some stupid webmaster? he has his views but its not the full story. and if he goes away due to 'lack of profit motive' another (maybe better) will come along. dime a dozen.

      I don't 'protect' webmasters. they are not any better than users and don't deserve any more consideration than they give users (which tends to be on the low end of the respect stick).

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    26. Re:And people by fishdan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The difference of course is that the image file itself is benign -- the decoders were flawed. Whereas the Flash decoder is adware BY DESIGN.

      The creators of Flash, Adobe/Macromedia, deliberately resist allowing user control of Flash. Why must I go to a 3rd party to selectively block Flash? Why can't I control Flash in my browser to a very simple extent such as "Flash cannot play sound without asking permission." Why does Adobe make Flash an "all or nothing" experience? The answer was given to me straight up by Flash evangelist: "If you could control your experience, it would not be a good advertising platform." As floored as I was by that statement, I realized that is Flash's great selling point for many people -- here is an ad that is unavoidable and will generate a lot of attention.

      I block flash with noscript, and I refuse to buy from a site that requires Flash. I certainly enjoy Flash games at home, but at work I've blocked flash at the firewall level for YEARS now. And I've never had one legitimate complaint of "I need flash to do this" that was work related.

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    27. Re:And people by obi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, what are we talking about here - about security issues, or about its use for advertisement?

      If you're talking about 0-day exploits, my point still stands: any decoder can potentially have exploits, and the only solution is to either keep your software (whether it's an image library or a flash plugin) up to date, or to simply stop using it (browse with no images, no flash).

      If you're problem with Flash is that it's a pain for users, you can argue the same way about a lot of other things. For instance, I haven't seen functionality by default to "selectively" stop animated gifs, even though their only use these days is ads.

      Personally, from a technical standpoint I find flash pretty nice. While there's a lot of people using Flash to make another silly "skip intro"-site, I've seen others making good use of Flash's capabilities to actually make a better user interface. You can try to do similar things with html, css and "ajax", but the results I've seen out there are often very messy (but again, sometimes it really works well).

      In both cases, the technologies are just tools. Blame the people who bombard people with advertisement, or make crappy websites. Not the tools that are (ab)used.

      My only qualm with Flash was that until recently it wasn't open at all, and I don't trust Adobe. With the specs now being fully open, and two independent open-source Flash runtime implementations, that issue has been solved too.

  2. SNAFU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Situation Normal, All Flashed Up

    1. Re:SNAFU by bill_kress · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would have said: Situation Normal, Adobe's Fucked Up

      Adobe has to be the worst company ever to supply popular software for the web, and it has always been a horrid company--at least since "ATM" started destroying my PCs back in the ole Windows 3.0 days.

      At one point, they had some competition from some other terribly flashy web software, but they quickly rectified that by buying the company so they could retain their title of Extreme Web Fuckups and earn the SNAFU title.

      (Second use of the F was quite gratuitous, but in for a penny, in for a pound)

    2. Re:SNAFU by jimmypw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How exactly is it the worst company ever to supply software for the web. I fail to see where your coming from. Dont forget that until a while ago they didnt own macromedia and their neiche was high quality still and moving images which back in the day of windows 3.0 wasn't anywhere near web software.

      Your arguement is essentially flawed as this exploit has probably been in flash player since macromedia owned it and yet your blame gets directed at adobe.

    3. Re:SNAFU by 0xygen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Must say though, if I were Adobe, staking my reputation on the reliability of some of the highest exposure software on the web, one of the first tasks after the acquisition would have been a thorough review of the Flash client codebase.

      Not that this vulnerability would necessarily have been picked up...

    4. Re:SNAFU by Divebus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How exactly is it the worst company ever to supply software for the web. Here's my short list:

      1) Adobe Reader takes too long to launch compared to other software. People moan when they encounter a PDF on the web.
      2) Flash (yes, they own it now) is a resource hog when visiting web sites with only a few ads. Enough already.
      3) If you have the Adobe CS3 suites, you'll come to HATE the update agent... slow, intrusive, frequent.
      4) I'm always removing the Adobe reader Plugin from my browser after a CS3 upgrade. I don't want the damned thing in there.
      5) Right click a banner ad and look at Settings. I don't like my camera and microphone being a choice there.

      I wouldn't call it the WORST company... Adobe didn't make IE. That said, I get a lot of good use out of Adobe products, but sheesh... it can be the most sluggish stuff you'll ever use.

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    5. Re:SNAFU by gaspyy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Intentionally or not - you're trolling.

      1. Adobe Reader 8 launches almost instantly for me after the first run, when it optimizes its launch (and I always disable the startup option). Version 6 was awful but things have changed. I do agree that it's bloated (over 200Mb) but I had problems displaying complex/cmyk docs in Foxit. YMMV.

      2. Flash - use AdBlock. The technology is not at fault as flash is pretty lightweight itself. It's the advertisers who think I'll click their stupid ads if they add annoying sounds and the webmasters who think that by cramming more ads there's a better chance of me clicking on one.

      3. The update agent is slow 'cause it downloads only when the connection is idle. I do agree that it's annoying for it to ask to close almost all programs when updating.

      5. You do realize that camera and mic are turned off by default, don't you? You need to expressly enable them on a site-by-site basis.

      So there you have it.

      That's not to say that I don't hate Adobe myself for other things:
      - activation is a pain in the ass, especially if you don't get the chance to deactivate the software first from the old computer and activate on the new one (happened to me after a hdd crash).
      - the software is artificially segmented in some cases, e.g. Premiere and After Effects should be one software, or Illustrator and Indesign (CorelDraw acts as a combination between the two).

    6. Re:SNAFU by STrinity · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget that certain Adobe programs, including Photoshop and Premiere, place DRM in the master boot record, which makes it impossible to run TrueCrypt boot-time encryption and have the Adobe programs work.

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    7. Re:SNAFU by 1u3hr · · Score: 2
      Real Player never crashed my machine (That I remember, at least I can say it never became enough of a pattern for me to recognize it as one). Adobe Reader used to almost every time I hit a PDF file--if it was a large file over dialup--guaranteed

      Real didn't crash, but it was unpleasant in many other ways. As for reading PDFs online; if it's a short document I might view it in the browser, but I almost always r-click to download and view it once it's all there, rather than try to view inline. You have to specifically optimise a PDF for viewing inline so it's not really Adobe's fault if it doesn't work. Print PDF files are different.

      Not only that, but typically it would hang your entire browser--not just that one window--while it loaded a PDF; I'm not sure how they pulled that off.

      So why use the browser plugin if it was so much hassle?

      If it hadn't been for Adobe, we would have had nice, simple, readable HTML-based documents instead.

      Sometimes PDFs are gratuitous, but often the alternative would be nothing at all, or a horrible bitmap page scan, or worst of all, Word DOC files, complete with macro viruses. Print-to-PDF allowed many documents originally designed for print to be easily repurposed as downloads. I have a collection of PDF manuals for all kinds of hardware that I really doubt I would have if the manufacturers had had to translate to HTML. Windows 3.1 used to crash all the time, when I removed ATM, it crashed significantly less. Well, not remove so much as re-install windows without it.

      Maybe you had too many fonts, or corrupt ones. In any case, I used 3.1 for years, with ATM and using CorelDraw. It crashed occasionally, almost always when editing large bitmaps, so I doubt it was related to ATM.

      If you do any DTP, Adobe products are essential.

  3. Flash perpetual vulnerability by amrik98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This isn't the first or the last time Flash will have vulnerabilities discovered, and I understand this can happen with any software. It is just the frequency and consistency of these vulnerabilities that concerns me. When I install a binary blob from Adobe its always in the back of my mind that I could be opening up my system to attack.

    1. Re:Flash perpetual vulnerability by BollocksToThis · · Score: 3, Funny

      I personally require none of that dada.

      Slow down on the keyboard there, Oedipus.

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  4. Welcome to the proprietary internet. by NotZed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A taste of what it could've been and what it might yet become?

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  5. Oh... dear... God by religious+freak · · Score: 5, Funny

    What kind of horrible, horrible update scheme will Adobe come up with to try to combat this?! The thoughts are too terrible to imagine...

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  6. Re:Hmm Windows only... and SQL injection? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's Windows only because Microsoft wrote it to promote their Silverlight initiative. Siverlight doesn't work on Macs or Linux, so there's no point porting the exploit there.

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  7. Re:Malware-laden by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

    Won't anyone here PLEASE think of the servers?

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  8. Re:Hmm Windows only... and SQL injection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Silverlight does run on Mac OS X.

  9. Why is SQL injection even still a problem? by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 4, Insightful
    And I'm not saying the web application developers need to prevent it: it needs to be fixed in the database and its communication protocols. I think it's quite an outrageously bad architecture that has payload and control data together on the same channel.

    After all, it's my God-Given Right to name my son Robert'; DROP TABLE STUDENTS. I shouldn't be getting nasty phone calls from every school he's ever attended!

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  10. Proverb by Rastignac · · Score: 3, Funny

    In France, a popular IT proverb says "Adobe, c'est de la daube". True one more time today...
    (won't translate; lost in translation).

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    1. Re:Proverb by Gandalf · · Score: 2, Funny

      And here in Holland the proverb goes "Rather than Adobe, a doobie". (True every day...)

  11. Hey Adobe: Try Using Stack Canaries! by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 5, Informative
    No doubt someone from Adobe will be reading this Slashdot story.

    A Stack Canary is a value placed at the end of a function's stack frame. Just before function return, the canary's value is checked, and if it has changed, the user is notified.

    So what you do is built a test version of Flash with canaries enabled in the compiler, then try feeding it all kinds of potentially buffer-overruning input.

    To enable canaries:

    The Xcode-Users post I linked to says that stack canaries were discussed in session 109 at Apple's developer conference, in 2007 I think. You should be able to view it on the Apple Developer Connection website.

    I'll send you my bill in the mail.

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  12. Re:Hmm Windows only... and SQL injection? by linal · · Score: 2, Informative

    SQL injects aren't a MS specific problem, they are from poor programming and design. The same SQL injection attack could happen on any OS and DB

  13. Re:This is NOT a 'zero day flaw'..... by shird · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That is not the definition of zero day. If you are going to condemn people for using it incorrectly, at least use it correctly yourself. The 'zero day' status merely refers to how long the exploit has been known - the 'zeroth' day being the day it is publicly disclosed. This day is important due to the fact it is basically impossible for people to be patched against the vulnerability on this day. In other words, tomorrow this will no longer be a 'zero day exploit'. (no doubt it was disclosed several days ago and isn't a zero day exploit today either).

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  14. That's sort of what the Welchia worm does by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 2, Interesting
    When I was staying in a hotel in between moving out of one house and into another, I hooked my Win2k box directly to the Internet via dialup. At my old place I used Linux as an IP masquerading gateway, and never had any trouble.

    Well it didn't take long for me to notice that my modem often showed activity even when I wasn't doing anything online. At the advice of a friend I bought the ZoneAlarm firewall.

    It informed me that I was infected with the Welchia worm. What it does is apply security fixes to your Windows installation, and then it propagates itself on to other Windows hosts over the Internet!

    This drove home to me the importance, when using Windows, of having a firewall that prevents connection coming from my own computer. ZoneAlarm does this.

    Most firewalls just prevent attacks from outside. But if you're already infected, you want to know about network traffic originating from your own computer.

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  15. Flash dependent sites by Mathinker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > That's what temporary permissions are for.

    Yes, I use them all the time, but what does that really mean? After I temporarily enable Flash/JS malware for a badly designed site which is just not viewable without them, I'm not going to get temporarily "pwned". It's already "game over".

    Except for times like this, if the choice is enabling JS/Flash, or not getting information I was interested in, my thirst for information wins, all other things being equal (i.e., the URL looks like a legitimate one, etc.)

    I never enable JS or Flash in order to see sites which I get to through advertisements, however.

  16. Kids these days... by Digestromath · · Score: 2, Funny

    Back in my day the only way to animate porn was flip the pages real fast. When technology does all the hard work for you, you lose any sense of personal accomplishment.

  17. Re:This is NOT a 'zero day flaw'..... by Gewalt · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, zero day exploit refers to the fact that the exploit is publicly disclosed (and in use) before there is a patch to fix it. So yes, tomorrow, this will STILL be a zero day exploit.

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  18. NoScript WILL Save You (most of the time) by Giorgio+Maone · · Score: 4, Informative

    SWF and other payload files cannot be uploaded and hosted on the compromised web server as easily as SQL-injecting a script fragment which downloads them from a 3rd party site in full control of the attacker. In this and all the recent mass-infection cases, the 3rd party hosts have been improbable domains Chinese domains likely registered ad hoc (such as wuqing17173.cn, woai117.cn or dota11.cn), and very unlikely to be in your NoScript whitelist, no matter how savage your browsing habits could be.

    So in all "real world" scenarios seen so far, this one included, you are protected by NoScript in its default configuration, which blocks 3rd party embeddings even if you're visiting a trusted page.

    Then if you want extra protection for the use cases you've listed (i.e. frequent usage of Flash-intensive community driven web sites), you can also configure NoScript to block ALL the embedded objects, with no regard for their origin: you will still be able to temporarily allow them selectively, by clicking on a visual placeholder.

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  19. Re:This is NOT a 'zero day flaw'..... by Daengbo · · Score: 3, Funny

    If that's your definition, ('zero day' == ) then it still hasn't been used correctly, since the linked article is already a day old.
    and
    Given that the phrase 'zero day' is made of two single syllable words ...

    OneSmartFellow isn't today.

  20. Re:This is NOT a 'zero day flaw'..... by Gewalt · · Score: 2, Informative

    ya, now you're just mumbling incoherent gibberish. So sad. Either accept that your perceived definition was wrong, or stop talking about how you don't like what it doesn't mean.

    The phrase is not meaningless, there is no reason to stop using it.

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  21. NoScript can block Flash even if JS is enabled by Giorgio+Maone · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just check NoScript Options|Plugins|Apply these restrictions to trusted sites too. In this configuration, NoScript effectively replaces FlashBlock, and it works on plugins different from Flash as well.

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  22. No worries by __aavonx8281 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'll just install the open source alternative to Flash on my Windows desktop...

    Guess this is the moment for Gnash (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/) to shine!

  23. Flash by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Last Friday at work I was approached by a PM who was panicking: we lost the people who were working on Flash components for the corporate website. Someone was supposed to be flown from India to work on the component, but they couldn't make it for personal reasons. So the question was: can this be done in dynamic html? Well, of-course it can be done in dhtml, I said. It can look exactly like flash and do exactly what flash is doing. Some of the devs who were also working on Flash components, but who couldn't handle the Flash problem in this case, were insisting that it is in fact 'impossible' to do this, to make a dhtml component that would look and do exactly the same thing as Flash, and dhtml will not work in all browsers etc. 3 days later they were proven wrong.

    In any case, my point is that Flash is an overkill for most GUIs on the web, it's good for video streaming, but even for that it is not absolutely necessary. However for whatever reason various dynamic functionality is often required by the business to be done within the browser. Something that cannot be done without some sort of scripting - sliding tabs, smooth transformations between images/text whatever. Such functionality is what browser side scripting is for. In order to be able to use this functionality at least javascript will have to be allowed. Whether anyone really wants to go to the website is a different question, but some websites provide useful functionality that is welcomed by the customers.

  24. Updated info re this sploit... by Fallen+Andy · · Score: 3, Informative
    ShadowServer has updated information on this here.

    See also Symantec Threatcon here

    So it looks as if you have the latest flash plugin (9.0.124) you may be ok.

    Andy

  25. Why people use flash... by argent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Flash is an overkill for most GUIs on the web

    Underline that, set it in boldface, carve it in granite, mod parent up, the works...

    I really think the main reason people use flash is because it moderately increases the difficulty of reverse-engineering an interface. Chopping up a .swf package can be done, even without a few hundred bucks worth of Adobe software, but it's more work than running "curl -o filename url" a few times. It's obfuscation, pure and simple.

  26. My Stewped Bank' "Website" by BattyMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Insists on having access to a Flash player, or it won't let me in.
    "For 'Security' Reasons".
    Now I have even more ammunition with which to criticize their "security". (this began when they recommended Internet Exploiter(tm)(r)(c) and the prevailing commercial "Operating System"s, and locked out me, with my Debian and IceWeasel: "IceWeasel? That's _not_ an approved browser!"

    Hey, I know. I need a new bank. Does anybody know of one that's clueful enough to _not_ recommend IE?

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