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Viacom Nudges Some Premium Content Online, For Free

amplt1337 writes "Debates about the profitability of 'free' continue to rage, but at least one major media conglomerate — Viacom — is pushing forward with releasing paid-for content for free on the Internet. Of course, the prospect of free and easy full-length Daily Show episodes has caused some tension with cable providers, who pay a hefty premium for a heretofore-exclusive right to distribute the conglom's content (there are obvious parallels with the conflict between labels and musicians). What strikes me as really interesting is that even an old, entrenched company like Viacom has enough vision to see the opportunity for increased profits through free distribution — provided they can control that distribution (see their YouTube lawsuit) and have discretion over just how free they go. Of course, the NYT itself has had its own experience with expanding access to previously fee-based content ..."

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  1. So, remind me by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

    why is Viacom suing Youtube again?

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    1. Re:So, remind me by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Informative

      Viacom wants some of the pie, they claimed that youtube was unfairly benefiting from viacom's intellectual properties...

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    2. Re:So, remind me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because they aren't charging to watch the show doesn't mean the free showing isn't a source of income. Viacom is sueing Youtube because Youtube doesn't have the rights to show Viacom content and is making money off that showing.

    3. Re:So, remind me by phpmysqldev · · Score: 1

      In other news: Viacom will be suing themselves. Stating who does Viacom think they are? Giving away our (Viacom's) content for free!?

    4. Re:So, remind me by jemtallon · · Score: 2, Informative

      As I understand it, they are saying that it's possible to make money from free content and they're willing to try. The lawsuit is over the fact that Youtube is making money from their free content while it should be Viacom making that money.

      It'll be interesting to see what models they try to monetize the content - something established like banner ads and video commercials or something a little more experimental. Regardless, I think it's good for the industry that bigger companies are trying to adapt.

    5. Re:So, remind me by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So?

      There is a remedy in law for Viacom: tell Google to take down the offending content.

      If Viacom doesn't like the law they subverted democracy for, they really shouldn't whine like a spoiled child.

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    6. Re:So, remind me by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Correction: Viacom wants ALL of the pie.

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    7. Re:So, remind me by sleepdepzombie · · Score: 1

      It looks like they go with pretty standard stuff on the current site. Personally, I'd be kind of amazed if they tried to make this work with something very far outside the norm to start out. They want to be sure of some reasonable chance of success.

    8. Re:So, remind me by wizardforce · · Score: 1

      correction: viacom wants all of the pie but they're going to get nothing if they keep fighting.

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  2. Just don't share it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or they'll sue you.

    1. Re:Just don't share it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's up on the site for free, in a reasonable format, why would you bother?

  3. Given the YouTube lawsuit... by TheRedSeven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...what they're essentially saying with that lawsuit is that they want their content available for free, but they want to be the ones handing it out.

    This makes sense. If I'm going to give away a resource for free, I want to be the one (and the only one!) who makes money off it. If that means I have to restrict who/where/when this free content can be distributed, so be it.

    Trouble is, trying to give something away for free and then restrict where and how that something is used, doesn't quite work. They're not losing any money off the sale of that product.

    ...So how can they sue YouTube for damages when they're planning on giving it away free anyway?

    1. Re:Given the YouTube lawsuit... by pak9rabid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...So how can they sue YouTube for damages when they're planning on giving it away free anyway? Could the damages not be lost advertising revenue?
    2. Re:Given the YouTube lawsuit... by Coopjust · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I could see that as the reason. What will probably happen is like the relationships that labels have with online music stores.

      Advertising is put in the video, Youtube gets a cut, Viacom gets some.

      As far as the loss of free copies...I could see some arguments. For one, if you want to pull an episode (want to drum up DVD sales or something), you can do that if you publish the content- you can't just pull other copies. They probably want copyright information included, station, producers, etc.

      Personally, I'm glad that Viacom is embracing such an idea. I don't mind a little advertising if the quality is consistently good, in sync, and I can send friends links/bookmark shows without worrying that they'll be pulled for copyright in five minutes.

    3. Re:Given the YouTube lawsuit... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Works for GPL'd software.

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    4. Re:Given the YouTube lawsuit... by twistedcain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a website filled with thousands of pages of my original content. I charge nothing for people to view my content. Next to my content I have advertising, which more than pays for the time and trouble I put into creating my content. The idea of someone taking and sharing my content (whether or not they give it away for free) could be so damaging that I might no longer be able to create free, original content.

    5. Re:Given the YouTube lawsuit... by smoker2 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      So you only created your content for the purpose of generating ad revenue then ? If the content itself is less valuable than the ads, then you may as well be a link farm. After all, when you first set the site up, you had no way of knowing how much(if any) revenue you would get from serving ads. Now, suddenly, your content is worth more, but not for its own sake (and is probably not worth any more to the end user).

    6. Re:Given the YouTube lawsuit... by symbolic · · Score: 1

      Kudos to Viacom - they're moving in the right direction. Now, content providers need to focus on the quality of their product - quit compressing the hell out of it so that it looks so bad that one could easily mistake it for something that preceded the original broadcast by a decade or so.

  4. As long as they are going to stick with DRM by poeidon1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the *free* is not going to lure me.

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    1. Re:As long as they are going to stick with DRM by p0tat03 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why not? The big problem with DRM is that I don't get to put the content that *I paid money for* on devices that I want, or put it into any format I please. Since I didn't pay for it, who cares? If they want to restrict me to viewing through their website, sure, whatever. It's not like I paid for it, right?

  5. Its own reward by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Am I the only one that thinks being able to influence the hearts and minds of millions or billions of people ought to be its own reward?

    Seriously, if Moses, Jesus and Muhammad were to spring from their graves and start imposing high license fees on the distribution of their creative works, does anyone seriously think their power and influence would become greater?

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    1. Re:Its own reward by ShiningSomething · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seriously, if Moses, Jesus and Muhammad were to spring from their graves and start imposing high license fees on the distribution of their creative works, does anyone seriously think their power and influence would become greater? So is that an argument for or against copyright and license fees?
    2. Re:Its own reward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like Scientology?

    3. Re:Its own reward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xenu is pro-DRM. He wanted to control exactly where the Thetans ended up.

    4. Re:Its own reward by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      I guess it's just an observation. If you want copyright on your creative works, it's most likely because:

      i) They're crap
      ii) You know it

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    5. Re:Its own reward by cliffski · · Score: 1

      so.... you do your job for free?
      seriously?
      how do you pay the rent then?

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    6. Re:Its own reward by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      so.... you do your job for free? seriously? how do you pay the rent then?

      Personally? I get paid upfront by people who want me to create something specific. My entire career has been that way, I've done very well for myself, and helped billions of people along the way.

      I'm one of those creators of intellectual works copyright is supposedly in the best interest of, but really isn't.

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    7. Re:Its own reward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god, you're a fucking idiot.

      How about, waitasecond... getting CREDIT for your works instead of someone else copying them and republishing them as their own?

    8. Re:Its own reward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My entire career has been that way, I've done very well for myself, and helped billions of people along the way. So you have helped more than 1/3 of the world population with your creations?
      Quite impressive.
    9. Re:Its own reward by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      Yeah didnt he also pack them into movie theaters? No camcorders please!

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    10. Re:Its own reward by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes.

      One of the projects I'm most proud of was to build the supporting infrastructure required to transform a gaggle of several thousand work from home translators who specialize in medical translations into a coherent team, then to build infrastructure to allow them to be integrated into the corporate structure of several of the worlds largest pharmaceutical and medical equipment manufacturers as though they were just another internal department. I think I did pretty well for a guy working out of his living room.

      It brings me a great deal of satisfaction knowing that somewhere out there, some kid I'll never meet didn't die today because of medicine I helped bring him.

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    11. Re:Its own reward by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Egocentric? Are you kidding me? Giving credit to someone shouldn't even have to be asked for. You get credit so that, after you do a good job, other people know it was you who did a good job, so they come to you if they need a good job done in the future.

      Furthermore, copyright does not in any way "screw things up for the vast majority of us". Poorly done copyright screws things up, not copyright itself.

      Oh, and to address your original point, it's complete bs to say that if you want copyright on your work, it's crap and you know it. Not only does that imply that the vast majority of creative works in the past, say, 50 years are crap (and the creators knew it), which is a ludicrous argument, it doesn't even make sense. It's not hard to imagine that someone would want to sustain themselves by selling copies of their work to many people at small prices, than to a few people at high prices. Doing that without copyright is like pounding a nail into a board with your fist instead of a hammer: sure, you can do it, but why the hell don't you use the perfectly good tool available to you?

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    12. Re:Its own reward by kaizokuace · · Score: 1

      well minus the desire to get fame or recognition, knowing who made something is useful to see about maybe getting that person to make some more.

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    13. Re:Its own reward by cliffski · · Score: 1

      thats great.
      but that doesn't really translate to the movie and TV industry does it?
      Because a business model works for what YOU do, it doesn't mean it work for everyone on earth.

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    14. Re:Its own reward by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Furthermore, copyright does not in any way "screw things up for the vast majority of us". Poorly done copyright screws things up, not copyright itself.

      Ok. Well, according to the article on the front page of Slashdot this very day, in very short order, it will apparently be possible using consumer level tools to burn 1TB to an optical disc.

      This should mean that it's practical to assemble a collection of every written work ever created in the recorded history of man, build a factory that churns them out at negligible cost, and distribute a copy to every child on the face of the earth.

      Now, will you argue that copyright is consistent with such a lofty goal? Will you argue that this goal does not benefit the vast majority of us? Or, will you concede the fucking point already and, if you can't make a suggestion for an alternative scheme, at least acknowledge that there is a need for one?

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    15. Re:Its own reward by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...that and "How the Irish Saved Civilization".

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    16. Re:Its own reward by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      thats great. but that doesn't really translate to the movie and TV industry does it? Because a business model works for what YOU do, it doesn't mean it work for everyone on earth.

      Nice backpedal. Worked for William Shakespeare.

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    17. Re:Its own reward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you so insecure you can't just take pride in a job well done, you need people singing your praises?
      Straw man arguments are lies.
    18. Re:Its own reward by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What the hell does any of that have to do with copyright? Copyright is a way of legally enforcing the traditional "you want it, you pay for it" means of exchange for a good which is easily obtained against the wishes of the seller. If I wish to make my scribble drawing only available to someone who has paid me for it (or bought a copy of said scribble drawing from a previous owner), that's my right. Copyright is a way for me to protect that right, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the cost of copying/distributing works. In fact, the cheaper it is to copy, the MORE necessary it is to have legal protection of the creator's rights.

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    19. Re:Its own reward by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What the hell does any of that have to do with copyright?

      It's simple. If we take copyright law off the books, we can give a copy of the entire sum of human creativity to every man woman and child on earth for a penny each. And, we have the practical means to actually do it.

      If we don't take the copyright law off the books, it would cost billions of dollars for each disc each, and we would be unable to do it, not due to any practical barrier, but because of an unfortunate side effect of the clumsy mechanism we're using to look after the creative people in our society.

      When you get down to it, your copyright comes, not from any power that you hold over us, but from our recognition that it's worthwhile to support creators like you. If there was another political/economic system to support you, and give you even more support than you're get right now, but through a different mechanism, what would your problem be with that? Wouldn't that be better than the status quo?

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    20. Re:Its own reward by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1
      No. You mean if we take copyright law as it stands right now off the books. What we have at the moment is a poor implementation of copyright law. Copyright law, in and of itself, is not at all a problem with your proposed "Give everyone the total sum of human knowledge" plan.

      Wouldn't that be better than the status quo? No, because this is a matter of principle. The author of a work has the right to try to sell it if he so chooses, and no one has the right to use it without buying it if that's the case. I don't particularly care if an alternative system supports the author better, the ends don't justify the means.
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    21. Re:Its own reward by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      It is a matter of principle. A principle worth overthrowing governments for.

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  6. Free is overrated by StreetStealth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Free is all well and good, but all too often it leads to crappy ads and abridged enjoyment.

    I'd still gladly pay for this content -- just not $2 per episode that I'll only watch once. What I can't imagine I'm alone in really wanting to see here, and what I have yet to see tested, is a nice, simple subscription model like Netflix that lets me pay a single monthly fee to watch a reasonable amount of new programming.

    Netflix almost offers that right now for a number of shows, except that the streaming of shows is tied to their DVD release, so you can't watch anything until the season's over. But all that's keeping them from becoming a genuine alternative to broadcast viewing is a bit of licensing, for which I'd gladly pay a few more Washingtons a month.

    All things considered, isn't skipping a few beers each month worth not having to deal with ads?

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    1. Re:Free is overrated by milsoRgen · · Score: 1

      Free is Overrated but only in the sense that having the physical media (disc, case, booklets, cardboard sleeves, etc) is part of the experience and fun, especially when you truly enjoy the content. Granted there is much media I've consumed that I wouldn't have if it would of required the insertion of a disc or what have you. But once I find those rare gems a free stream or download just won't cut it. The sooner they realize there are places for free no-drm content just as there are places where it is worth a purchase... The prob for them is not everything they create is worth a purchase. Or at least enough purchases to ensure a nice juicy profit...

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    2. Re:Free is overrated by rockout · · Score: 1
      The flip side question, of course, is, wouldn't you rather have a few beers a month if all you had to do was watch some ads?

      I'll take the beers and the ads, thanks very much, rather than abandoning both.

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    3. Re:Free is overrated by bryce4president · · Score: 1

      How much are the advertisers paying for you to see their ad during that episode? Even at a high rate of $13 per 1000 impressions you would be looking at $.77 per episode. So sell ad free rentals for maybe $.50 and let the people who don't mind the advertising see it for free. I'm sure that it doesn't cost $13 per 1000 impression at this rate. Any body have any numbers on this?

    4. Re:Free is overrated by bryce4president · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure my math was right? Check my math! Wow, I'm embarrassed. I flipped my numbers... $13.00 divided by 1000 impressions is $.013. Just over a penny per viewer. So let people pay $.05 to watch it ad free. A nickel? Who wouldn't pay a nickel? Most people would. No ads, increased revenue.

    5. Re:Free is overrated by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Your math works under the assumption that every single person that watches would also buy it and that there is no overhead for bandwidth and hosting.

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    6. Re:Free is overrated by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      I'll take the beers and the ads, thanks very much, rather than abandoning both. Besides, when the ads come up, you can turn your attention away from them by sipping on those free beers.
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    7. Re:Free is overrated by darthflo · · Score: 1

      Bandwidth and hosting costs can be overlooked as the difference between an ad-supported and a paid-for view is negligible in that respect. For the latter, however, add some money for the infrastructure and an unhealthily large percentage for the payment gateway (e.g. credit card companies).
      I'm pretty sure the rates for in-video-ads are a lot higher than normal banners, especially if the content actually is preceded or interrupted for the ad.
      Even assuming a tenfold higher ad rate, though, a micropayment model would be feasible. Think Ad supported, YouTube-quality for free (ad income $.13) or something along the lines of 480p for 20-25 cents. Downloading (720p, anyone?) DRM-free for your personal collection and/or Zune could cost another $.50 or so, just like lala (made /. yesterday) does it. Sounds nice, don't it? :)

  7. This is about the daily show then? by SendBot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I love the daily show and the colbert report. I had been watch TDS since cason daily was hosting it even. Two years ago I was paying $40 a month for essentially those two shows.

    But I quit watching during the writer strike and coincidentally I moved and started working more during that same time.

    When the episodes had come back, I didn't get the memo and didn't want to go through the hassle of catching up on the week or so of shows I'd missed using bittorrent.

    So I just quit watching. To viacom: you want to know why? Because it would just kill me to watch something so good by myself (or occasionally with a lady) and not be able to send friends links to particular segments on youtube. You want to selfishly hoard all your copyrighted content? Fine by me. I just won't watch it (even though I'm paying for it in some way). I won't tell my friends about it. And I won't buy anything on the commercials I'm not seeing.

    Jon and Stephen could do better. Personally I'd like to see them operate without viacom and have control over the content, but I know the challenges in making that work and making it profitable.

    1. Re:This is about the daily show then? by Disfnord · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had been watch TDS since cason daily was hosting it... You misspelled Craig Kilborn.
    2. Re:This is about the daily show then? by milsoRgen · · Score: 1

      had been watch TDS since cason daily was hosting it even. I think you mean Craig Kilbourn...

      Took a couple seasons before I liked Stewart but in the end he was a good replacement.
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    3. Re:This is about the daily show then? by milsoRgen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You misspelled Craig Kilborn. Such is life when talking about the guy that left The Daily Show for anything on CBS.
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    4. Re:This is about the daily show then? by Tuoqui · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah besides didnt Jon Stewart make fun if Viacom suing Youtube on his show? Goes to show you how popular he is that he can get away with making fun of his corporate overlords without them biting his head off.

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    5. Re:This is about the daily show then? by SendBot · · Score: 1

      lol! That's who I was thinking of - I remember an episode where craig ferguson hi-fived jon over taking shows away from him.

    6. Re:This is about the daily show then? by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Stewart, Conan, and Colbert did their best work in years during the strike. They should have told their writers not to come back. Stewart, in particular, has been TERRIBLE since the writers came back. On most nights, the audience is all but groaning.

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  8. can somebody tell me why..... by GnomeChompsky · · Score: 2, Interesting

    given that Comedy Central's media player sucks monkey balls and is probably turning a whole bunch of potential viewers off of watching their content there, they don't just outsource this to Youtube? Can't they come to some sort of profit-sharing agreement? Youtube has a model that works. They have fairly unobtrusive ads that don't wind up crashing my computer (unlike CC). People already go to Youtube. I've never heard anyone say they like CC's site. CC could, if it wanted to, post the Youtube content on their site. So why can't they just negotiate some sort of a deal where Youtube can host the content and CC takes a large chunk of the ad revenue? Why can't they leave Youtube alone?

  9. dueling business plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If A promotes his coffee shop by providing free donuts and B's donut shop has free coffee, then obviously A & B want to be far apart. The trouble with the Internet is it brings everything to the same desktop and people can cherry pick the free bits. Obviously.

  10. The dam is ready to burst by atomic777 · · Score: 1
    Viacom and other Big Media have fingers in several holes right now. On the one hand, the cable providers want to keep exclusive access to their content so they can rip you off for $100+ a month for what is effectively an internet connection suited to streaming media.


    They are also watching YouTube siphon off considerable amounts of their viewership, a bunch of eyeballs that they could make much more effective use of if they controlled access.

    I do'nt think the big media companies see the internet as a bad thing - quite the opposite, i think they see huge potential because the internet lets you measure advertising performance. They really want to see who is stupid enough to buy Product X after coming to watch an online version of Living Lohan or whatever drivel they come up with next. Entrenched interests are the only thing that keep this from progressing faster.

  11. There is at least one company already doing it by kimvette · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is at least one company already doing it - they have many movies and television shows online (classic TV series as well as newer series) - some full seasons, some are just a sampling, but check it out: http://www.hulu.com/ - it doesn't let you take the media with you (and honestly I have not tried capturing it) and there are commercials inserted into the stream, but SOMEBODY has to pay for the content, so I'm very happy with their service. I wish I could get it on my PDA though.

    Oh, and yes, it works with Linux.

    I've submitted feature requests to them, one of which is to be able to opt out of certain advertisers. For example, I'm not going into the military so I should be able to opt out of those ads, and I don't do fast food so I should be able to opt out of those. This would make advertising less likely to be ignored, and would actually increase the value of each ad delivered to the viewer.

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    1. Re:There is at least one company already doing it by JustinOpinion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I only recently discovered hulu, so maybe it's the solution I'm looking for.

      I don't have a TV, and recently I've been experimenting with watching TV on my computer. A number of networks have some of their shows online, available via Flash players (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, etc.). Some problems I immediately noticed were:
      1. Most sites are heavily Flash-based, making it very difficult to navigate (or bookmark) the content you care about. I understand using Flash for the actual player, by why the navigation elements?
      2. Having to go to 3 or 4 different sites to watch the 4 or 5 shows I care about was really inefficient. Each one has a different format, navigation style, and player.
      3. Keeping track of what I've watched and haven't watched was somewhat annoying. When you watch normal TV, you just watch whatever they play. But when you're watching online, you have to keep track of which episodes you've seen (for each show)... and somehow find out when new episodes of your shows have aired. The sites do a very poor job of making it easy to find this out. You usually have to go all the way to loading the player, watching an ad, and viewing the start of an episode before you can figure out if you've already seen it. (So, of course, I would use Wikipedia to keep track of all this information.)

      Clearly what is needed is a site that unifies the experience. Hulu might be that site. It groups content from multiple networks, so that you don't have to go all over the place. It provides cleaner navigation (mostly HTML), and RSS feeds for keeping track of things you care about. I also notice they have optional user accounts... so I'll be interested to find out if that allows you to keep track of shows you're watching, and maybe even get recommendations?

      There are still many ways in which the viewing experience is not optimal (it's Flash buffering, after all: you can't save it to watch later, and network congestion kills it... especially if you try to watch fullscreen). But convergent sites like Hulu are, in my opinion, an important step towards actual "on demand" convenient web-television. (Of course, it's still ridiculous that downloading via bit-torrent would give me the same shows, in a timely manner, at higher quality, and without ads.)

    2. Re:There is at least one company already doing it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should definitely get a subscription. You can keep track of which shows you are watching, automatically get new episodes in your queue, and it keeps track of your recent activity so you can know which episode was the last one you watched. It even does e-mail notification of new shows if you want. I wish ABC and CBS would get on board but they probably won't because hulu is owned by NBC. At least FOX is smart.

  12. For some shows... by sootman · · Score: 1

    ... the answer is simple and obvious, at least to me. I wish they would JUST, START, POSTING STUFF. In particular, for any news or talk show--things like The Daily Show, Nightline, and Oprah--they should just post EVERY SINGLE SHOW, 100% FREE, period. (Maaaybe with one or two 30-second ads. But it'd be better without--see below.)

    - it's time-sensitive, so there's not much of a demand for reruns or DVDs. Maybe there are things like showing The Daily Show at 11pm and again at 5 or 6pm the next day. In that case, a 24-48 hour delay would keep cable channels happy. Ideally there would be a 23 hour delay so you could catch the previous night's show if you missed it right before watching the new one live.

    - plus since there's five new shows a week, it's not like anyone could ever possibly sit down and watch ALL new episodes. Conservatively, 5 new 30 minute (22 minute) shows 48 weeks per year is 88 hours of content per year. That's more hours than the entire six-season run of Sex and the City. There is enough Oprah recorded each year that it would take over one week of 24-hour viewing to see it all.

    - on the other hand, they cover a lot of stuff that is important down the road, or useful later (like Oprah's health stuff, Nightline on housing, etc.) and whoever makes this content available for free first will become the default "paper of record" for this new era. If they split it into chunks on YouTube and don't go down the messy path of ads, custom video formats and players, etc., it would be very easy to link to or refer to individual segments--increasing the likelihood of quotes, and thus INCREASING VISIBILITY, which is, of course, the number one goal.

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  13. Old tech vs new by troll+-1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What people are gonna learn real soon is that the Daily Show doesn't need Viacom any more than a musician needs the RIAA.

    Viacom, like the RIAA, is only powerful because it controls a distribution system. But as far as delivery goes it makes about as much sense to deliver content via a one-way pipe to a dumb terminal (which is what television basically is) than it does to deliver music on plastic disks via the Interstate.

    Right now many cable companies are also ISPs so increasing Internet bandwidth is likely viewed by them as a conflict of interest because greater bandwidth is likely to draw viewers away from television to a more competitive Internet. But as time goes on consumers are gonna view more and more content on the net.

    Looks like Viacom vs. YouTube are the first shots in the revolution of old tech vs new.

    1. Re:Old tech vs new by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Viacom is not the distributor... they are the owner, by virtue of owning (and partly founding) Comedy Central. The distributors are the cable and satellite companies. In fact, for that reason, the Daily Show absolutely needs Viacom... no one but the owner can give permission to make the show. Now, the talent on the show could leave and start another show. But that wouldn't be the Daily Show, now would it?

    2. Re:Old tech vs new by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      John Stewart makes millions of $ per year. Even the most popular on of online distribution show hosts don't even make a TINY fraction of that. The average episode of the Daily Show probably costs upwards of $100,000 per episode to produce, 5 days a week. No show distributed on the internet has anything *close* to the kind of revenue it would need to support that. Even if he could charge for it on a per-episode basis (and everyone played nice and didn't just pirate the episodes), it wouldn't even come close.

      To my knowledge, there hasn't been a single show on the internet that has production values that are remotely comparable to even a cheap cable production like The Daily Show. Most internet shows consist of a shitty set (if they even have a set), bad sound, and some dude's friend operating the one camera. There is a reason for that. The best I've ever seen are DLTV and the Totally Rad Show, both of which look like they involve a crew of MAYBE four people and are edited on somebody's laptop.

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  14. Deep end by RomulusNR · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Frankly, just releasing material IN A NEUTRAL FORMAT and delivery channel would be more than sufficient. In other words -- no ITunes lock-in. It doesn't even have to be free as in beer. IFO would pay a modest, reasonable charge for each episode of Daily Show, as long as I could get it in a neutral format (video podcast, say).

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    1. Re:Deep end by Aranykai · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or hell, distribute it with bittorrent with the fucking ad's in it on the day it airs!

      Its brilliant. They pay virtually nothing for a few servers to seed it until the swarm takes off. They get their adverts out into the open. There's very little reason to track down some ripped version with no commercials as you can get the legit one 8-12 hours sooner!

      Where is the downside to this?

      Heck, they could even require a DRM license(which would be given to anyone for free) and track exactly how many views it gets! They can do a pay per viewer model with the advertisers.

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    2. Re:Deep end by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The same lazy people (about 60% of the population) that can't be
      bothered to program their Tivo (or are just disinterested in the
      technology in general) will gladly sit through those stupid commercials
      if they are embedded. If they are any good, they might even get ripped
      out and distributed indivdually (like the Mac 1994 ad).

                The equivalent of a dump from a Tivo or MythTV box with all of the
      commercials still intact would probably still get as many meaningful
      eyeballs.

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    3. Re:Deep end by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Back when Gnutella and eDonkey were king, all the Simpsons episodes you could find had all the commercials in them from when they were recorded. It was a slight annoyance to have to manually skip over them, but I do remember laughing at commercials I hadn't seen in a long, long time.

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  15. Welcome to Cablenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The internet as we know it is dying. If the ISP's have their way, everything you see will be their choice at their price.

    The writing is on the wall. If we don't stand up and do some really loud screaming, the net will slowly erode to another service similar to cable television. The same rules will apply : the more you wish to see, the more you will pay.

    I remember the "good old days" when the usenet was the large part of the internet (before www ). The wailing that would go on if anyone had the audacity to post anything of a commercial nature. It was great! Now look at it.

  16. Daily Show already online by Rossman · · Score: 1

    You can already watch The Daily Show, online, for free, at http://www.thecomedynetwork.ca/ Only for Canadian viewers, but still!

    1. Re:Daily Show already online by mqduck · · Score: 1

      This summary was a little bit longer than most. I guess it's to be expected that some Slashdotters would skip it.

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  17. Very Subtle by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

    the ===||*FREE!*||=== is not going to lure me.

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