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Viacom Nudges Some Premium Content Online, For Free

amplt1337 writes "Debates about the profitability of 'free' continue to rage, but at least one major media conglomerate — Viacom — is pushing forward with releasing paid-for content for free on the Internet. Of course, the prospect of free and easy full-length Daily Show episodes has caused some tension with cable providers, who pay a hefty premium for a heretofore-exclusive right to distribute the conglom's content (there are obvious parallels with the conflict between labels and musicians). What strikes me as really interesting is that even an old, entrenched company like Viacom has enough vision to see the opportunity for increased profits through free distribution — provided they can control that distribution (see their YouTube lawsuit) and have discretion over just how free they go. Of course, the NYT itself has had its own experience with expanding access to previously fee-based content ..."

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  1. Given the YouTube lawsuit... by TheRedSeven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...what they're essentially saying with that lawsuit is that they want their content available for free, but they want to be the ones handing it out.

    This makes sense. If I'm going to give away a resource for free, I want to be the one (and the only one!) who makes money off it. If that means I have to restrict who/where/when this free content can be distributed, so be it.

    Trouble is, trying to give something away for free and then restrict where and how that something is used, doesn't quite work. They're not losing any money off the sale of that product.

    ...So how can they sue YouTube for damages when they're planning on giving it away free anyway?

    1. Re:Given the YouTube lawsuit... by pak9rabid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...So how can they sue YouTube for damages when they're planning on giving it away free anyway? Could the damages not be lost advertising revenue?
    2. Re:Given the YouTube lawsuit... by Coopjust · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I could see that as the reason. What will probably happen is like the relationships that labels have with online music stores.

      Advertising is put in the video, Youtube gets a cut, Viacom gets some.

      As far as the loss of free copies...I could see some arguments. For one, if you want to pull an episode (want to drum up DVD sales or something), you can do that if you publish the content- you can't just pull other copies. They probably want copyright information included, station, producers, etc.

      Personally, I'm glad that Viacom is embracing such an idea. I don't mind a little advertising if the quality is consistently good, in sync, and I can send friends links/bookmark shows without worrying that they'll be pulled for copyright in five minutes.

    3. Re:Given the YouTube lawsuit... by twistedcain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a website filled with thousands of pages of my original content. I charge nothing for people to view my content. Next to my content I have advertising, which more than pays for the time and trouble I put into creating my content. The idea of someone taking and sharing my content (whether or not they give it away for free) could be so damaging that I might no longer be able to create free, original content.

  2. As long as they are going to stick with DRM by poeidon1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the *free* is not going to lure me.

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    1. Re:As long as they are going to stick with DRM by p0tat03 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why not? The big problem with DRM is that I don't get to put the content that *I paid money for* on devices that I want, or put it into any format I please. Since I didn't pay for it, who cares? If they want to restrict me to viewing through their website, sure, whatever. It's not like I paid for it, right?

  3. Its own reward by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Am I the only one that thinks being able to influence the hearts and minds of millions or billions of people ought to be its own reward?

    Seriously, if Moses, Jesus and Muhammad were to spring from their graves and start imposing high license fees on the distribution of their creative works, does anyone seriously think their power and influence would become greater?

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    1. Re:Its own reward by ShiningSomething · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seriously, if Moses, Jesus and Muhammad were to spring from their graves and start imposing high license fees on the distribution of their creative works, does anyone seriously think their power and influence would become greater? So is that an argument for or against copyright and license fees?
    2. Re:Its own reward by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes.

      One of the projects I'm most proud of was to build the supporting infrastructure required to transform a gaggle of several thousand work from home translators who specialize in medical translations into a coherent team, then to build infrastructure to allow them to be integrated into the corporate structure of several of the worlds largest pharmaceutical and medical equipment manufacturers as though they were just another internal department. I think I did pretty well for a guy working out of his living room.

      It brings me a great deal of satisfaction knowing that somewhere out there, some kid I'll never meet didn't die today because of medicine I helped bring him.

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    3. Re:Its own reward by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Egocentric? Are you kidding me? Giving credit to someone shouldn't even have to be asked for. You get credit so that, after you do a good job, other people know it was you who did a good job, so they come to you if they need a good job done in the future.

      Furthermore, copyright does not in any way "screw things up for the vast majority of us". Poorly done copyright screws things up, not copyright itself.

      Oh, and to address your original point, it's complete bs to say that if you want copyright on your work, it's crap and you know it. Not only does that imply that the vast majority of creative works in the past, say, 50 years are crap (and the creators knew it), which is a ludicrous argument, it doesn't even make sense. It's not hard to imagine that someone would want to sustain themselves by selling copies of their work to many people at small prices, than to a few people at high prices. Doing that without copyright is like pounding a nail into a board with your fist instead of a hammer: sure, you can do it, but why the hell don't you use the perfectly good tool available to you?

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    4. Re:Its own reward by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What the hell does any of that have to do with copyright? Copyright is a way of legally enforcing the traditional "you want it, you pay for it" means of exchange for a good which is easily obtained against the wishes of the seller. If I wish to make my scribble drawing only available to someone who has paid me for it (or bought a copy of said scribble drawing from a previous owner), that's my right. Copyright is a way for me to protect that right, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the cost of copying/distributing works. In fact, the cheaper it is to copy, the MORE necessary it is to have legal protection of the creator's rights.

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    5. Re:Its own reward by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What the hell does any of that have to do with copyright?

      It's simple. If we take copyright law off the books, we can give a copy of the entire sum of human creativity to every man woman and child on earth for a penny each. And, we have the practical means to actually do it.

      If we don't take the copyright law off the books, it would cost billions of dollars for each disc each, and we would be unable to do it, not due to any practical barrier, but because of an unfortunate side effect of the clumsy mechanism we're using to look after the creative people in our society.

      When you get down to it, your copyright comes, not from any power that you hold over us, but from our recognition that it's worthwhile to support creators like you. If there was another political/economic system to support you, and give you even more support than you're get right now, but through a different mechanism, what would your problem be with that? Wouldn't that be better than the status quo?

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  4. Free is overrated by StreetStealth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Free is all well and good, but all too often it leads to crappy ads and abridged enjoyment.

    I'd still gladly pay for this content -- just not $2 per episode that I'll only watch once. What I can't imagine I'm alone in really wanting to see here, and what I have yet to see tested, is a nice, simple subscription model like Netflix that lets me pay a single monthly fee to watch a reasonable amount of new programming.

    Netflix almost offers that right now for a number of shows, except that the streaming of shows is tied to their DVD release, so you can't watch anything until the season's over. But all that's keeping them from becoming a genuine alternative to broadcast viewing is a bit of licensing, for which I'd gladly pay a few more Washingtons a month.

    All things considered, isn't skipping a few beers each month worth not having to deal with ads?

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  5. This is about the daily show then? by SendBot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I love the daily show and the colbert report. I had been watch TDS since cason daily was hosting it even. Two years ago I was paying $40 a month for essentially those two shows.

    But I quit watching during the writer strike and coincidentally I moved and started working more during that same time.

    When the episodes had come back, I didn't get the memo and didn't want to go through the hassle of catching up on the week or so of shows I'd missed using bittorrent.

    So I just quit watching. To viacom: you want to know why? Because it would just kill me to watch something so good by myself (or occasionally with a lady) and not be able to send friends links to particular segments on youtube. You want to selfishly hoard all your copyrighted content? Fine by me. I just won't watch it (even though I'm paying for it in some way). I won't tell my friends about it. And I won't buy anything on the commercials I'm not seeing.

    Jon and Stephen could do better. Personally I'd like to see them operate without viacom and have control over the content, but I know the challenges in making that work and making it profitable.

    1. Re:This is about the daily show then? by Disfnord · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had been watch TDS since cason daily was hosting it... You misspelled Craig Kilborn.
    2. Re:This is about the daily show then? by milsoRgen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You misspelled Craig Kilborn. Such is life when talking about the guy that left The Daily Show for anything on CBS.
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    3. Re:This is about the daily show then? by Tuoqui · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah besides didnt Jon Stewart make fun if Viacom suing Youtube on his show? Goes to show you how popular he is that he can get away with making fun of his corporate overlords without them biting his head off.

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    4. Re:This is about the daily show then? by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Stewart, Conan, and Colbert did their best work in years during the strike. They should have told their writers not to come back. Stewart, in particular, has been TERRIBLE since the writers came back. On most nights, the audience is all but groaning.

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  6. Re:So, remind me by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Informative

    Viacom wants some of the pie, they claimed that youtube was unfairly benefiting from viacom's intellectual properties...

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  7. can somebody tell me why..... by GnomeChompsky · · Score: 2, Interesting

    given that Comedy Central's media player sucks monkey balls and is probably turning a whole bunch of potential viewers off of watching their content there, they don't just outsource this to Youtube? Can't they come to some sort of profit-sharing agreement? Youtube has a model that works. They have fairly unobtrusive ads that don't wind up crashing my computer (unlike CC). People already go to Youtube. I've never heard anyone say they like CC's site. CC could, if it wanted to, post the Youtube content on their site. So why can't they just negotiate some sort of a deal where Youtube can host the content and CC takes a large chunk of the ad revenue? Why can't they leave Youtube alone?

  8. There is at least one company already doing it by kimvette · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is at least one company already doing it - they have many movies and television shows online (classic TV series as well as newer series) - some full seasons, some are just a sampling, but check it out: http://www.hulu.com/ - it doesn't let you take the media with you (and honestly I have not tried capturing it) and there are commercials inserted into the stream, but SOMEBODY has to pay for the content, so I'm very happy with their service. I wish I could get it on my PDA though.

    Oh, and yes, it works with Linux.

    I've submitted feature requests to them, one of which is to be able to opt out of certain advertisers. For example, I'm not going into the military so I should be able to opt out of those ads, and I don't do fast food so I should be able to opt out of those. This would make advertising less likely to be ignored, and would actually increase the value of each ad delivered to the viewer.

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    1. Re:There is at least one company already doing it by JustinOpinion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I only recently discovered hulu, so maybe it's the solution I'm looking for.

      I don't have a TV, and recently I've been experimenting with watching TV on my computer. A number of networks have some of their shows online, available via Flash players (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, etc.). Some problems I immediately noticed were:
      1. Most sites are heavily Flash-based, making it very difficult to navigate (or bookmark) the content you care about. I understand using Flash for the actual player, by why the navigation elements?
      2. Having to go to 3 or 4 different sites to watch the 4 or 5 shows I care about was really inefficient. Each one has a different format, navigation style, and player.
      3. Keeping track of what I've watched and haven't watched was somewhat annoying. When you watch normal TV, you just watch whatever they play. But when you're watching online, you have to keep track of which episodes you've seen (for each show)... and somehow find out when new episodes of your shows have aired. The sites do a very poor job of making it easy to find this out. You usually have to go all the way to loading the player, watching an ad, and viewing the start of an episode before you can figure out if you've already seen it. (So, of course, I would use Wikipedia to keep track of all this information.)

      Clearly what is needed is a site that unifies the experience. Hulu might be that site. It groups content from multiple networks, so that you don't have to go all over the place. It provides cleaner navigation (mostly HTML), and RSS feeds for keeping track of things you care about. I also notice they have optional user accounts... so I'll be interested to find out if that allows you to keep track of shows you're watching, and maybe even get recommendations?

      There are still many ways in which the viewing experience is not optimal (it's Flash buffering, after all: you can't save it to watch later, and network congestion kills it... especially if you try to watch fullscreen). But convergent sites like Hulu are, in my opinion, an important step towards actual "on demand" convenient web-television. (Of course, it's still ridiculous that downloading via bit-torrent would give me the same shows, in a timely manner, at higher quality, and without ads.)

  9. Old tech vs new by troll+-1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What people are gonna learn real soon is that the Daily Show doesn't need Viacom any more than a musician needs the RIAA.

    Viacom, like the RIAA, is only powerful because it controls a distribution system. But as far as delivery goes it makes about as much sense to deliver content via a one-way pipe to a dumb terminal (which is what television basically is) than it does to deliver music on plastic disks via the Interstate.

    Right now many cable companies are also ISPs so increasing Internet bandwidth is likely viewed by them as a conflict of interest because greater bandwidth is likely to draw viewers away from television to a more competitive Internet. But as time goes on consumers are gonna view more and more content on the net.

    Looks like Viacom vs. YouTube are the first shots in the revolution of old tech vs new.

    1. Re:Old tech vs new by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Viacom is not the distributor... they are the owner, by virtue of owning (and partly founding) Comedy Central. The distributors are the cable and satellite companies. In fact, for that reason, the Daily Show absolutely needs Viacom... no one but the owner can give permission to make the show. Now, the talent on the show could leave and start another show. But that wouldn't be the Daily Show, now would it?

  10. Deep end by RomulusNR · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Frankly, just releasing material IN A NEUTRAL FORMAT and delivery channel would be more than sufficient. In other words -- no ITunes lock-in. It doesn't even have to be free as in beer. IFO would pay a modest, reasonable charge for each episode of Daily Show, as long as I could get it in a neutral format (video podcast, say).

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    1. Re:Deep end by Aranykai · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or hell, distribute it with bittorrent with the fucking ad's in it on the day it airs!

      Its brilliant. They pay virtually nothing for a few servers to seed it until the swarm takes off. They get their adverts out into the open. There's very little reason to track down some ripped version with no commercials as you can get the legit one 8-12 hours sooner!

      Where is the downside to this?

      Heck, they could even require a DRM license(which would be given to anyone for free) and track exactly how many views it gets! They can do a pay per viewer model with the advertisers.

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  11. Re:So, remind me by jemtallon · · Score: 2, Informative

    As I understand it, they are saying that it's possible to make money from free content and they're willing to try. The lawsuit is over the fact that Youtube is making money from their free content while it should be Viacom making that money.

    It'll be interesting to see what models they try to monetize the content - something established like banner ads and video commercials or something a little more experimental. Regardless, I think it's good for the industry that bigger companies are trying to adapt.

  12. Re:So, remind me by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So?

    There is a remedy in law for Viacom: tell Google to take down the offending content.

    If Viacom doesn't like the law they subverted democracy for, they really shouldn't whine like a spoiled child.

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