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Nominations Open For "Most Likely to be Shut Down By Government"

The corporate overlords at SourceForge asked me to name a Slashdot category for their upcoming Community Choice Awards and to let you guys select the winner. I have named my category "Most Likely to be Shut Down by a Government Agency." We're going to run this like we do an Ask Slashdot call for questions — post your nominations into the comments here. Use moderation to send up good ideas. In the upcoming days we'll post another story where you can vote on the actual winner. Nominations need to include the project name, a link to some sort of official website, and a paragraph of why you think they deserve to win. The project that wins will gain fame, notoriety, and maybe a cease and desist order that they could print out and frame if they had that kind of time.

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  1. Truecrypt by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Truecrypt

    It's basically only a matter of time before the fear-mongers and political demagogues in the U.S. and elsewhere outlaw any form of encryption that doesn't include a backdoor for the NSA and other "trusted" government agencies. There has already been evidence of commercial encrytption (such as Windows encryption) including such backdoors. And when the commercial companies all cave, how long do you think it will be before the government comes after the open source projects too?

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    1. Re:Truecrypt by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Algorithms for nigh-unbreakable encryption can be found in any elementary discrete math textbook, standard for second-year CS undergrads. Non-backdoored encryption may be outlawed at some point, but the knowledge is too widely dispersed to keep people from whipping up their own. Granted, whatever you hack together may not have all of TrueCrypt's bells and whistles, but if you do it right, it will be just as secure; and doing it right, for personal use on your own machine, is just dead easy.

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    2. Re:Truecrypt by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Couldn't/wouldn't they just move the project outside of the country to avoid issues? OpenBSD doesn't have to abide by crpyto export rules because they are in Canada, for instance.

      Of course, I suppose the argument could be used for pretty much every project that is likely to be mentioned.

    3. Re:Truecrypt by The+Aethereal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And if you do that, the government wouldn't even have to prove you had encrypted something illegal. The fact that you had used an unapproved encryption algorithm would be all they need to arrest you. How does that help?

    4. Re:Truecrypt by despe666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I disagree, it WOULD have all the bell and whistles of Truecrypt. Being open source, they can shut down the website all they want, the source code is out there, it's too late now. You could just recompile it, customizing it to your liking. With their hidden volume and plausible deniability features, good luck proving that what they think is encrypted data is not random garbage.

    5. Re:Truecrypt by evanbd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While all the knowledge is out there, and you *can* do it yourself, getting every single detail right is not even close to easy. Are you sure you didn't leave some piece of the key swapped out to disk? Are you certain your random number generator was of sufficient quality and well seeded? Modern cryptosystems fail thanks to details, and the only way to get every detail right is many eyes and lots of work. Amateur efforts can certainly do it, but it's not easy for either them or the pros. Just remember, "I used RSA" isn't good enough. Witness the Netscape SSL problem, and the recent Debian SSH problems for examples of where the support infrastructure around the cryptosystem failed.

    6. Re:Truecrypt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you had incriminating evidence on your system, and they could not break your encryption, then you could possibly avoid a harsher crime. ;)

    7. Re:Truecrypt by Sloppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The drawback of a one-time pad system is the logistics of transporting the keys and having only two copies, that are destroyed after they are used.

      One thing I enjoy harping on, is that there are many situations where OTP is actually quite practical; the transport and storage just aren't a big deal. For example: people you see in person every day. You put your phone next to your wife's phone at night, and they exchange pads over a wire or low-powered IR link or something. Your conversations the next day are OTPed.

      As a general-purpose fix-everything solution OTP doesn't work, but sometimes it can, without really being very burdensome.

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    8. Re:Truecrypt by Z34107 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Windows encryption doesn't "include such backdoors."

      The random number generator is not used by default; a program has to specifically request it. If it does have a backdoor in it, presumably Microsoft added it so that other programs could be written with NSA backdoors.

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    9. Re:Truecrypt by thtrgremlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is already true for physical locks. Possession of lock picking equipment is intent. You can not posses the tools without a license that you can not receive without certification that you can't get without going to an approved and certified school. It is unlawful to study outside of approved classrooms. This is why lock picks make so much money, and for anyone into OSS here, why is is also so easy for criminals to pick any lock or work around any theft deterrent device.

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    10. Re:Truecrypt by fastest+fascist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's too believable to be funny.

    11. Re:Truecrypt by HadouKen24 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      IANAL, but mere possession of lock picking equipment is perfectly legal in most states even without a license. It only counts as intent if there is some reason to think that you intend to use them to break in somewhere. There is a small hobbyist community that picks (their own) locks for fun--perfectly legally. It does vary from state by state, though; lockpick possession is considered prima facie evidence for intent in some even where simple possession might be legal under a strictly literal reading of the statute in question.

      Walking around with them in your pocket isn't smart, though. Having them in your own home is frequently just fine, but taking them anywhere very frequently does constitute intent, if you're not a certified locksmith on a job.

      So... that's not quite how it is with lockpicks. It depends on what State you're in. (Unless you're in Canada, of course. Canada requires certification even for mere ownership.)

    12. Re:Truecrypt by afabbro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You put your phone next to your wife's phone at night, and they exchange pads over a wire or low-powered IR link or something.

      How they generate these pads, on the other hand...

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    13. Re:Truecrypt by marxmarv · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A vote for one wing or the other of a two-party state is worse than useless. It lends an air of legitimacy to an illegitimate system. It's the economy; the culture war is just theater. I'm very curious how Obama feels he can do about increasing the participation of third parties in the US political system.

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    14. Re:Truecrypt by JLF65 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A vote for one wing or the other of a two-party state is worse than useless. It lends an air of legitimacy to an illegitimate system.


      Exactly! If a company works against the betterment of the people, I boycott them. Not voting is the SAME PRINCIPLE applied to the government. We don't need campaigns trying to "get out the vote", we need campaigns to make people stay home. When only 0.03 percent of US citizens vote, maybe they'll realize we're serious. In fact, the representatives to the Electoral College should all abstain so that NO ONE is elected regardless of how many vote.
    15. Re:Truecrypt by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or we could all go vote for a 3rd party candidate. Hell if even 10% did that you'd have an effect, whereas a 10% boycott would only be noted as a long-term trend towards lower turnout.

    16. Re:Truecrypt by It'sYerMam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or maybe you'll be just as screwed, if not more so, because only the zealots went to the polling station.

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    17. Re:Truecrypt by pfingst · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm very curious how Obama feels he can do about increasing the participation of third parties in the US political system.


      What incentive does Obama (or anyone else in power) have to foster the growth of another political party? You now have essentially one strong enemy; why would you want another? Even if he tried to promote another "conservative" party to steal votes from the Republicans, who's to say that they won't (now or in the future) steal votes from the liberal candidates, too?


      Obama believes in central control and unlimited government power, and that is best served by eliminating opposition, not generating more of it.

  2. Does it have to be the U.S. Government? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would think just about any anti-government project in Zimbabwe, North Korea, China, Russia, Cuba, Syria or Iran would be about 100 times more likely to be shut down than one in the U.S....

    1. Re:Does it have to be the U.S. Government? by purduefan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it doesn't have to be the US government, the safe bet is on some combination of the words "China" and "internet".

  3. most likely to be yawned at is more like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    don't give yourself too much credit taco... by and large the fear mongers on the left have been proven just as much a bunch of retarded flakes as the fear mongers on the right. neither side of the political fence in this arena has any real credit left at this point.

    1. Re:most likely to be yawned at is more like it by Alsee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Huh? Unless I'm missing something Taco made no mention of left vs right, nor did he say anything reasonably interpretable as involving partisan politics whatsoever. In fact at the moment most pf the posts here seem to be about TrueCrypt, and the one-any-only post I can find from anyone that can even be remotely interpreted with a partisan implication is that the anti-crypto attempts "started trying in the 90s under Clinton's reign, with Al Gore as the point man... over 10 years later, I guess it's time for another round of facists to try it again". If anything, that would tie this sort of attack to the left, and the "another round of facists" is entirely ambiguous or entirely non-denominational as the rapidly approaching "next round of facists" is a tight presidential race between Dems and Pubs.

      Maybe it's just an anomaly, but I've been seeing a bit of a repeating pattern lately. Borderline paranoid delusional people with a persecution complex about partisan political bias. They themselves are wildly biased, and it takes the form of baseless accusations of opposite bias, even against entirely non-political non-partisan statements complete strangers. They literally just imagine things and hang them on other people like Christmas tree ornaments, and by themselves imagining biased things about the other person it somehow "proves" that other person biased.

      It was pretty interesting when someone went on a "bias" rant against me with all sorts of stuff that came out of their own imagination, especially when they managed to effectively toss in an accusation that I was sexist. A really neat trick considering that no one had even menentioned gender prior to that point. Chuckle.

      One of the critical aspects to creating and protecting extreme bias is psychological filtering, uncritically embracing anything that serves that bias, and finding ways to automatically disregard anything that might challenge that position. For example if you decide someone is wildly biased and everything they say is completely unreliable, and they say 23+38=61, you don't have to waste any thought seeing if it's true or not. The source is "biased", therefore one can automatically send the untrustworthy information to the trash heap without wasting any mental effort evaluating it at all.

      Baseless accusations of bias are themselves bias, are themselves a powerful psychological mechanism of creating and perpetuating that person's own bias.

      I have some speculations on why I think this might currently be a particularly common issue, but such speculation would be particularly fertile ground for bias and accusations of bias. Heh.

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  4. ThePirateBay by nuzak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're the next allofmp3 -- they're getting named by name in international treaty talks.

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  5. Slashdot by AlephNot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would like to nominate Slashdot as being most likely to be shut down. After all, free thought is anathema to government control.

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    1. Re:Slashdot by Duhavid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Actually, I just mean that there is no free thinking here, just stupid cliched memes."

      Like this one?

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  6. wikileaks by asynchronous13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    wikileaks - since it already was (sort of) shut down by government.

  7. Tor, Freenet, and I2P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tor, Freenet, and I2P are probably on the top of the list. There is no way that government wants difficult to trace communication to be availble to the general public.

  8. FreeNet by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suspect that FreeNet is something that many, many governments would like to shut down. In the west, pretty much all they have to do is say "klddy pr0n" and it's gone. In China and other such countries, they don't really have to say anything at all.

  9. I Save RX by Slightly+Askew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This website, supported by the states, offers its citizens affordable medications from Canada and Europe. I predict the federal government will shut it down, citing "safety issues" with foreign drugs.

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    1. Re:I Save RX by Slightly+Askew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Forgot the reason why they deserve to win...free market and states rights come to mind, as well as free trade agreements already made by the federal government.

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    2. Re:I Save RX by qoncept · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't quote any real numbers, and I won't claim name-brand drugs cost too much, but I'm certain that if no drugs sold for more than bargain basement prices, they would stop being developed. It costs virtually nothing to produce most drugs, and that's what you pay in Mexico where patents aren't honored. But the R&D costs for new drugs is enormous. A new drug has to be incredibly successfull to be profitable for the company that created it. Rip off their formula and produce it for dirt cheap and you can sell more and not need to worry recouping any costs. There have been drugs created that can cure awful, obscure diseases that have never seen the market because they wouldn't be profitable for this reason.

      Like I said, I don't know what the profit margins are or how little they could sell their drugs for and still turn a profit. But someone has to feed the monster.

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    3. Re:I Save RX by josath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, yeah, we hear this argument every time. But did you know most drug companies spend more on ADVERTISING then on actual research and development of new drugs?

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  10. Hmm, how about the Pirate Bay? by Arrogant-Bastard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the question then becomes which government? By now there are any number which have taken note of their existence (and some which have acted upon that knowledge), so my guess would be that more will do the same.

  11. GOA by ezwip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    www.gao.gov

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  12. Problem with Poll/Question by Vectronic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Shouldnt anyone eligable (ie: those with +1, or +2) have been given at least 1 Mod Point so they could be included in the vote?

    Which, is probably not possible with the current point system, but maybe in the future you could alot eligable people a mod point on a specific topic/poll/etc.

  13. Obama by bidule · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, it worked for jfk...

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  14. What an extremely useful little competition ... by Angostura · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... this is, for the powers that be.

  15. Re:Patent Busting by MistaE · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I didn't think the EFF's site needed any explanation but I'll provide it here for Taco since it was asked for in the summary.

    I think this site should win because it's very likely to actually shut down if Patent Reform comes through. However, even if patent reform fails, I think it would be interesting to see what the lobbyists and congressional members do to come up with to try and take them down, because this site is one of the few out there that do a damn good job of calling out the patent trolls. In addition, it's one of the few that make the public aware of what all of us on Slashdot have known all along: that the patent system sucks, and these are the people that take advantage of it.

  16. The Memory Hole and its 'Fellow Travellers' by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful
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  17. Free Speech? by QuantumFlux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They're getting closer all the time, it seems...

  18. Tor by hansamurai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I haven't seen this listed yet and a lot of great ones have been mentioned but I'd just like to throw Tor out there.

    http://www.torproject.org/

  19. Re:Most likely to be Shutdown By Government? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Uh huh. You realize that by saying Republicans, you're actually suggesting that the Democrats (only real people who could pull that off) are as evil as many of us suspect they are, by silencing anyone who criticizes them.

    The real answer is probably Libertarian Party, which pisses off both (D) and (R) types.

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  20. Re:Software radio... by Intron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whereas before you needed to be able to plug a crystal into a socket in order to do this. Geez. Hams have been accidentally or on purpose wandering around the frequency spectrum since radio began.

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  21. Re:Don't need government - doing it themselves. by digitig · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the Democratic party (which will BE the government next year

    Assuming there's an election, and the USA doesn't find itself in a state of emergency so Dubya doesn't have to call an election.


    My nomination for "most likely to be shut down by government" would have been the US Constitution, but I may be too late so I'll nominate the US Supreme Court.



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  22. Then tell me this by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if you think a minute about such "traps", they are effectively achieving* their goal, which is to make people slow down in the corresponding area.

    Then why hide?

    Seriously. If they want people to slow down, why hide behind billboards and bridges and other stuff and pop out and snag people?

    If they honestly wanted everyone to slow down they'd just park on the side of the road in the very most visible spot. Watch your fellow drivers on the freeway sometime. They see a cop car, they hit the brakes. Even if he has someone pulled over and its obvious they could fly right by him.

    They hide because it helps them write tickets. That's the goal of a speedtrap. Income. I'm sure the PR people love to smile at the camera and talk about how their just saving lives, but their actions simply do not agree. You can't tell me that having all this ticket revenue pouring in means nothing.

    If they really want people to drive the speed limit, park out in the open.

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    1. Re:Then tell me this by WannaBeGeekGirl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can't speak for the cops. My sister is an ADA and her best friend is a nurse that is often on call to pronounce accident victims for the county. Between those two and their friends (several of whom are police) I've heard a lot of disgusting work related stories that involved speeding. I honestly believe most of these people truly are sick of seeing mangled human bodies removed from vehicles that were speeding or finding remains on the pavement.

      Sure they'll write a ticket if it will slow you down. However, if parking their car in a strategic location near where kids play on their day off will slow people down they are fine with that too.

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  23. Re:Patent Busting by jonbryce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do the mega corps want patent trolls around? I doubt it.

    They want patents to stop small companies competing with them. If a small company sues them for patent infringement, they find lots of other patents in their portfolio that the small company is infringing, and come to some cross licencing deal. They can't do that with patent trolls because they don't have a business.

  24. AutoPilot by Lumenary7204 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    AutoPilot: DIY Unmanned Aerial Vehicles

    http://autopilot.sourceforge.net/

  25. Peer-to-Peer Internet by Bob9113 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps not the first to go down, but I think the odds approach 100%. The peer-to-peer Internet, with its implicit equality for all servers, lacks the degree of barriers to entry that corporations need to "create" wealth. It is already dying through direct corporate action (protocol throttling, port blocking, etc), and there will be government intervention soon enough. Look for copyright, child porn, botnets, etc to be the excuses used to require licensing of servers.

    Radio was unrestricted in its early days. Unrestricted mass communication is extremely detrimental to authoritarian governments. Net neutrality prevents ISPs and backbone providers from getting their vig. Nobody benefits from a peer-to-peer Internet except We The People, and most of us don't know that is the case, nor why. Show me something that does not have populist support, and does stand to allow profiteering and control if destroyed - and I'll show you a very tenuous place to stand.

    1. Re:Peer-to-Peer Internet by trawg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suggest you leave your "Cave of Freedom" to realize that the oppressors are not after you. I'm not sure why you think that - there's a lot of evidence that people that develop or use p2p software are under ever-increasing scrutiny, largely because of the corporate overlords that appear to be able to dictate to the US what laws they want to be able to enforce their copyrights.

      You should be wary of the government stepping in to try and control the Internet in any form. They're trying to do it here in Australia.

      It's only a matter of time before they figure out a way to equate p2p with terrorism and then - what? Oh, they already have.
  26. Re:FreeNet by arhhook · · Score: 2, Insightful

    FreeNet is not a centralized server, however, so there really is no way of "shutting it down." It's the same thing as the RIAA playing "Whack-A-Mole" with current p2p file sharers. It's just another type of that, similar but different.

  27. Re:Don't need government - doing it themselves. by corbettw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Assuming there's an election, and the USA doesn't find itself in a state of emergency so Dubya doesn't have to call an election. Also assuming that a rogue planet doesn't come hurtling through the solar system, smashing into Mars and knocking the earth-moon system out of its orbit and plunging us all into the sun. Cause that's about as likely as Bush not "calling an election".

    Here's a hint about the American system: the president doesn't call elections in the first place, so he can't stop one from happening in the second. He has no legal authority to do so, so no one would listen to him if he tried. There's a reason no one's ever tried that before. Even Lincoln had to run for re-election during the Civil War (and almost lost!); there's simply no way to stop the process.
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  28. Why not... by El+Capitaine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    RIAA / MPAA
    www.riaa.org www.mpaa.org

    Please?

  29. Re:Trapster by Gnavpot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't have the link on hand, but the funny thing was that many cops went on record in support of the speed trap websites because it accomplished what they were trying for anyway (just to get people to slow down).

    I am surprised that this has to be explained:

    If you don't know where the traps are, you have to be careful everywhere.

    If you know where the traps are, you only have to be careful where the traps are, and you can drive like hell everywhere else. Good for public safety, huh?

  30. One name: by bradjs · · Score: 1, Insightful

    NASA. Perhaps they aren't "shutting it down" but they're letting it bleed to death.

  31. Re:I see BitTorrent going the way of the dodo... by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He probably doesn't. But who will some law maker listen to, him or the RIAA?

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