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Barack Obama Wins Democratic Nomination

An anonymous reader was one of many who noted that Barack Obama has claimed the Democratic nomination having secured enough delegates and super-delegates to claim victory. Of course, technically this assumes that the supers all vote as they say they will and they are free to change their minds. So no doubt we'll continue to hear debate on this subject until either the convention or Hillary steps down.

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  1. ...but Hillary still won't leave. by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    First of all, I'm not sure why this is "news for nerds", but I'll readily concede that it is "stuff that matters".

    Obama may have the nomination, but someone really ought to tell Hillary. Last night, during her non-concession speech, she stated that she's "making no decisions tonight". Today I heard on NPR that she is "open to the Vice-Presidential spot", even though she may not take it...she "just wants to be considered".

    Sweet Zombie Jesus...what will it take to make this woman go away???

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  2. Re:Why should she go away? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Better tell your Clinton friends to take a LONG HARD LOOK at the alternative. 4-8 more years of Iraq, world hatred, and the continuing decline of the economy is a BIG price just to pay for a little spite.

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  3. Re:Please explain us ... by cowscows · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the US there are two major political parties, and each one puts one candidate up for the election in the general election for President. But before the general election, each party has the primary campaign, where individuals within each party run against each other for the right to be the candidate in the election. These primary campaigns basically involve citizens (when it's their state's turn) going and voting for the candidate that they want to represent whichever party. Depending on the rules of the particular state, sometimes you have to be a registered member of that party in order to vote, and sometimes they're open to anyone registered to vote at all. Basically the way it works is that depending on how many votes you get in a primary, then you get a certain number of delegates. Delegates are basically voting representatives for that state, proportioned by the relative populations of each state,and are expected to vote in accordance with the results of the primary popular vote in that state.

    You don't need to win one of the primaries to run for president, but you need to win one if you want the support of one of the major political parties. For various reasons, it's currently not particularly practical for a candidate to win the general election unless they are a candidate from one of the two main parties.

    The two major parties in the US are the Democrats and the Republicans. Each party creates the specific rules that are used in their own primaries to select their candidates. The democrats, for various reasons, have come up with a complicated system that not only has regular delegates, but also has "super-delegates." Supers are usually (but not always) individuals considered particularly important to the democratic party (elected officials, party leaders, etc), and they are free to put their delegate vote towards whichever candidate they wish. Basically, they're individuals who's vote counts for way more than the average person's. Their role is restricted purely to the democratic primary however, in a general election, their vote counts for no more than anyone else's.

    That's just a brief overview, without the history of why super-delegates exist, but there's plenty of information out there to be found on that.

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  4. Re:What kind of message? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Calling his own grandmother a "typical white woman"? Is that caring and accepting? It's neutral.

    Or what about his spiritual advisor, who baptized his children and married him and his wife, saying that the white US Government created AIDS to kill black people? What about his relationship with someone who has bombed United States buildings? So he knows some crazy people. Big fucking deal. I have some friends whose opinions are moronic beyond belief, but that doesn't mean I agree with them in the slightest.

    Funny how you touch on shit that doesn't matter in the least, yet leave out the one thing that really does paint Obama as an elitist, insensitive bastard: him going on about how people only like guns/religion because they're poor, a month or two ago.

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  5. Re:People don't learn from history by pirhana · · Score: 5, Informative

    > Generally you Democrats and Republicans I don't see enough difference between Republican and Democratic candidates. Party voters still make me sick

    This is exactly why Hillary lost the game and Obama got it. People in US(and around the world , though irrelevant) were fed up of the status-co politics. They wanted something different and someone who can make a change. As citizens and consumers, people want products which are different. Especially when they realize that the product they have currently(Bush) sucks so bad. Hillary miserably failed to understand this pulse and stuck with same old crap. There is no perceivable difference between Hillary and Bush. The differences are really cosmetic. Iraq is just one example where there is a striking parallel between the policies of Bush/Mcain and Hillary.

  6. Re:People don't learn from history by pdusen · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not giving handouts to those who have little is NOT the same as taking things away from them.

  7. Re:People don't learn from history by wwwgregcom · · Score: 5, Informative

    Take your trolling somewhere else. Obama in no way voted for the Patriot Act. Ever. Like the Iraq war authorization, that vote predated him in the senate. I can't believe someone marked you insightful. Here's proof. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313 He later supported revising it with civil liberties measures.

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  8. Re:People don't learn from history by nickos · · Score: 4, Informative

    there is Iraq, which I initially supported until it became clear that the WMDs were about as real as the luminiferous ether
    It was always clear to most of us in Europe (I was in the UK) that the WMDs were fictional and we were screaming it from the top of our lungs right from the start. For some reason it seems most Americans fell for the lies though. I blame your superficial news media...
  9. Re:People don't learn from history by Talderas · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're assuming that governments are the only agencies capable of providing welfare, which is simply not true. Many charities and church organizations provide aid for people that need it, and the better part about those organizations is that since they rely on donations, they actually try to help the person get out of the economic situation that he is in, rather than doing nothing and letting the individual slum on the free cheese.

    That's the issue many people have with government welfare programs, they don't provide much incentive for people to get off it.

    Which do you think is better? Donating $50 to a charity that helps the poor, that is more likely to succeed at getting them out of their situations, and being able to write off the $50 for taxes, or not getting that write-off and have the government spend your $50 on people that probably won't ever leave the welfare system?

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  10. Apparently war comes with Democrats or Republicans by jbn-o · · Score: 5, Informative

    And Sen. Obama is offering exactly what as an alternative to more war? Certainly not immediate withdrawal from Iraq, despite how many Americans want that (it'll be a bloodbath if we leave now, we're told, as if Iraqi are so busy laying roses at our soldiers and mercenaries' feet). His Iran threat to the Chicago Tribune ("[T]he big question is going to be, if Iran is resistant to these pressures [to stop its nuclear program], including economic sanctions, which I hope will be imposed if they do not cooperate, at what point ... if any, are we going to take military action? ... [L]aunching some missile strikes into Iran is not the optimal position for us to be in" given the ongoing war in Iraq. "On the other hand, having a radical Muslim theocracy in possession of nuclear weapons is worse.") and his recent vote for allocating $165 billion for the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan (including $51 billion dollars for veterans' education) tell me that he, like any other corporate-funded Democrat, have no principled objection to war or to these wars in particular.

    As Cindy Sheehan recently reminded us, the Democrats have a strong history of war making and a lot to apologize for:

    Democrats are responsible for every war in the last 108 years, excluding the two Bush wars and the Reagan Grenada farce. Democrats are responsible for dropping, not one, but two atomic bombs on the innocent citizens of Japan. Democrats deserve no slack, and should be given none.

  11. Re:Just So Yo Know What You're Buying This Time by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Informative

    How David Axelrod works as the Obama dirty-tricks dept.:
    http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/olson_obama.htm

    A choice quote from your link: "Watching the never-ending spectacle of glassy-eyed white girls gone wild for this mulatto, and knowing the Negro libido and psyche, one finds it almost impossible to believe that he has never taken advantage of his opportunities."

    Would you care to renounce that author?

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  12. Re:People don't learn from history by nickos · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because the British government ignored the wishes of it's citizens. Anyway, the government knew it was all nonsense too - remember the "Dodgy Dossier"?

  13. Re:People don't learn from history by cromar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Do some research on welfare (AFDC). ~55% of people on welfare in the US are off of it in less than 2 years: 20% are on welfare for less than 7 months. 15% are out in 7 to 12 months. 19% are off in 1 to 2 years.

    That leaves 27% who are on it for 2 to 5 years, and only 20% who are on it over 5 years. The debates about this shit are so far divorced from reality anymore it is driving me crazy. THE US DOES NOT HAVE A WELFARE PROBLEM. For the most part it is working exactly as it should - helping people to become self-reliant.

  14. Re:People don't learn from history by tbannist · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unfortunately, as the previous poster indicated, McCain's views on what is and is not torture and what is and is not America have proven to be flexible when his party put pressure on him.

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  15. Re:People don't learn from history by ssstraub · · Score: 5, Informative

    Easy, but not a good example. Halliburton, or more to the point, Kellogg, Brown & Root, is the only company in the US that can handle what needs to be done in Iraq. Ever wonder why no other company has sued the government over the Iraqi contracts? Because no one else can do the job. Sorry, try again.
    Looks like the Republican talking heads got you on that one hook, line, and sinker! Have you ever researched this preposterous claim for yourself?

    And I quote:
    "Despite claims in 2003 that Halliburton is the 'only company' that can handle the Pentagon's logistics work in Iraq, today's Post quotes a consultant for the company as saying, 'You're really asking too much of one firm to be able to manage all of this.' Other companies expected to bid for the contract later this year include Lockheed-Martin Corp. and Northrop-Grumman Corp."

    Perhaps you haven't heard of Bunnatine Greenhouse?
    "She testified before Congress that the contracts awarded to one of these subsidiaries, KBR, represented the "most blatant and improper contract abuse" that she had witnessed during her 20 year tenure working for the government."

    The new LOGCAP 4 government contract is expected to have "robust competition" and be awarded to no less than three separate companies.

    Seems pretty obvious after some simple research that KBR isn't the only company that can handle the job in Iraq.
  16. Re:What is he gonna change? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I haven't really been able to figure out much of what he plan's to change? Then you haven't read his Blueprint for Change.

  17. Louisiana Politics by jmorris42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    > He's dirty as fuck, more corrupt than a louisiana politician.

    Oh I doun't doubt Obama is a fully integrated part of the political machine 'yall got up there, but you Yanks don't know squat about corruption.

    We have a Governor in Federal Prison. He got elected while under indictment, with the endorsement of BOTH major parties. Of course due to our crazy open primaries his opponent was David Duke so it wasn't like we had much of a choice.

    We got us a Congresscritter who got caught with $90,000 in 'cold hard cash' sitting in his freezer. He is still in Congress, reelected by nice margins.

    We got us a blooming idiot down in New Orleans as mayor, prone to foot in mouth like 'ya wouldn't believe. Makes Wright look like a beginner in the whitey hatin' business. And totally incompetent. You want to know why New Orleans didn't really TRY to evacuate, look no farther than Ray and the Ray Nagin Memorial Bus Lot.

    We just got rid of a Governor who was so incompetent her own party made sure she didn't run for reelection.... didn't help em though, Jindal cleaned their clocks anyway, so we have some room for optimism.

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  18. Re:What is he gonna change? by Dripdry · · Score: 5, Informative

    Can someone PLEASE mod the above as "lazy"?

    Mod ALL posts or comments in the media like this as "lazy", please?

    Do I have to be the person to come and post "RTFM" ?

    For everything that's holy you're on the fracking INTERNET! USE IT!

    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

    There you go. There are, in detail, his stances on the issues. Do you honestly think he has time to go over policy during a 5 minute campaign speech?

    If this was too harsh, please mod me down, but I am really sick of people making that comment and I think that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Thank you and goodnight.

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