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Behind China's Great Firewall

DigitalDame2 writes "In light of the upcoming Olympic Games in Beijing, more scrutiny is being placed on China's Web-filtering practices. In May, China's technology minister, Wan Gang, told Reuters China he would 'guarantee as much [access] as possible,' defending Web limitations as necessary to protect the country's citizens. Truly understanding this cat-and-mouse game means taking a close look at what exactly the government filters out, how the Great Firewall works, and how others have found ways around it."

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  1. Re:Firewall tech by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who's to say it's not distributed among many (possibly hundreds) of gateways. It seems a bit impractical to think that China's internet connectivity funnels through one single geographical point, much less through one physical device. That, or you were being sarcastic...

  2. Wow... by Jor-Al · · Score: 5, Insightful

    defending Web limitations as necessary to protect the country's citizens. Yes, without filtered internet, who knows what untold damage might sweep through the populace!
  3. errrmm.... by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    FTA:

    Even the good old U.S. of A. has restricted access in some cases. In May 2007, just a few weeks after placing restrictions on soldiers' blogs, the Department of Defense blocked access for soldiers to 13 "social networking and recreational" Web sites such as MySpace and YouTube, claiming that they took up too much bandwidth and presented operational risks. Ultimately, the ban severely limited the ability of soldiers overseas to communicate with loved ones at home, especially since the sites couldn't be accessed throughout much of Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not sure once can draw a moral equivelancy between the Army blocking what soldiers do over Army internet connections from war-zones and the Chinese blocking internet access for regular citizens.

    Until the USA starts filtering my access to the BBC, I don't really know why they even brought that up -- its just like workplace filtering at any other job.
    1. Re:errrmm.... by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is a world without myspace a world we want to live it! Yes.
    2. Re:errrmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And soldiers not being able to watch YouTube videos or view MySpace profiles severely limits their ability to communicate with loved ones? What is he smoking?

      I'd argue that all a soldier really needs in order to communicate with loved ones is email, but they're getting a lot more access than that.

      Oh, they're so repressed! /sarcasm

    3. Re:errrmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Nah, youtube is not that important. But pr0n is! Thanks God we live on the blessed USA, where our government doesn't warrantless wiretap our conversations, doesn't read our e-mails, doesn't send people to military prisons on Islands without right to bail or to a jury, doesn't arrest people without a court order, and doesn't block our soldiers to watch pr0n.
      What???!!! They blocked our soldiers access to pr0n!!! Oh, my dear God, now it is time for a revolution! What they gonna do next? Take our right to watch American Idol???!!!

  4. Re:Firewall tech by ricebowl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have a feeling that, with the censorship being taken mostly at the ISP level in order to avoid governmental scrutiny/sanctions, that it occurs at the ISP's servers. So rather than any one piece of hardware doing all the work there's hundreds (I presume, I have no idea how many ISPs operate inside of China, though I'd expect there to be quite a few).

  5. Silver lining... by Hankapobe · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...these measures are put in place to protect children and other Internet users from illegal and offensive content.

    This is an illustration of the slippery slope and we all should show this to anyone who wants to censor or regulate the internet for obscene material or to "protect the children".

    As a matter of fact, here's a perfect illustration how the "think of the children" rhetoric can be and is used for oppression of a people.

    1. Re:Silver lining... by Gat0r30y · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldn't that be internet censorship?

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    2. Re:Silver lining... by cyfer2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Basically, the logic is "I know my government is a son of bitch, but it is still my son of bitch."

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    3. Re:Silver lining... by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're also not used to having to look over your shoulder, wondering who is listening and what their real intentions are.

      It's like how America is still looked upon favorably in parts of Eastern Europe, like Georgia. When you've experienced REAL dictatorship, REAL secret police, and REAL oppression, then you look at things differently than does the college kid who had his feelings hurt, so he blames it on whatever boogyman is popular to blame.

      When you've spent your entire life wondering where little billy went after he said "i think mao sucked," you're going to be warry of saying those things and probably go out of your way to make sure that anyone else who heard it knows YOU didn't endorse that statement so that nothing happens to YOU.

      We may be run by a bunch of retards and jackasses, but no matter how bad we have it, we still have it a lot better than the majority of people in the world.

      Just something to think about.

    4. Re:Silver lining... by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have my party card in my wallet and a number of Congressmen's cellphone numbers handy. I'm not going anywhere, citizen.

      No, that isn't a joke either. I really do.

      But the government also isn't rounding up Americans off American streets and sending them to secret prisons (if they are, they're doing a good job keeping it secret).

      They're rounding up foreigners that they get in foreign countries, who are (allegedly) in the act of doing stuff.

      FDR made up the whole "enemy combatant" thing, lest we forget. And most of the interned Japanese were citziens or legal residents. I have yet to see DHS going around picking up taxi drivers and 711 clerks on suspicion of aiding and abetting the enemy.

      I don't like Bush either, but can we please at least keep the accusations to things that he's actually done?

    5. Re:Silver lining... by Rycross · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because the posts in question where I noticed this claimed that they were Chinese. The people I met in person were, in fact Chinese. It is not a huge logical gap to think that people defending the Chinese government are, at least in part, Chinese. Whats your point?

  6. Hell with them... by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Insightful
    China's technology minister, Wan Gang, told Reuters China he would "guarantee as much [access] as possible," defending Web limitations as necessary to protect the country's citizens.

    Protect them?

    PROTECT THEM???

    From WHAT??? Other than finding out what a murderous bunch of thugs run their craptastic fascist gov't?

    RS

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    1. Re:Hell with them... by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't get outraged. everyone knows it's crap and that it's in place to protect the current government.

      They don't want people reading how all their peasants are moving to cities into sweat shops, they don't want there people to ahve a tool to use to organize rallys. The last thing they need is another tank man;which most people under 20 in China have never even heard of.

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  7. Hm... by Fayn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now that I think about it, the way China is right now is strikingly similar to how view an Internet in which Net Neutrality has been soundly defeated and one can only visit approved sites. There are, of course a few differences...govm't approval vs. corporate sponsorship. But the end result of a strictly regulated Internet experience remains the same. Or I could be completely full of it.

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  8. Don't worry. by physman_wiu · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I really think that they feel they have a reason to censor the net for places where most foreigners are going to be hanging out during the Olympics. Most of those places aren't going to have your average Chinese citizen just looking for a way to get around the firewall.

    The government cares about their 'face' and they aren't going to want to the rest of the world seeing what they do control. They'll just let those places have access and then after the Olympics, restrict it again.

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  9. Re:Blogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What's wrong with blogs?

  10. Re:Blogs by coaxial · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They're hard to control.

  11. Re:Deal w/ it every day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's understandable from a policy level but they have been throttling the hell out of their trans-Pacific connections. Our team over there was getting 36kbs downloads from a (flaky GoDaddy client) connection the other day.

    The truth is the Chinese govt. faces a very real terrorism threat w/ the upcoming Olympics and are doing everything including monitoring the Net to keep it from happening. I'm sorry, but this doesn't hold water. They do this daily, and have for years. It's not about protecting their citizens or infrastructure from terrorist threats, it's about protecting their privileged status and controlling their populace.
  12. Re:Firewall tech by vajaradakini · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do you care to provide a source that isn't a right wing website?

    Perhaps one that doesn't include statements like this: in a country with Sunday shopping, abortion rights and same-sex marriage...[h]uman rights commissions are vestigial organs, a historical correction that no longer serves any useful function. in attempts to prove a point. I mean, to say that just because women have the right to reproductive freedom (if they live in a major city), gay people can get married and everyone can go shopping on Sunday (if they live in a large city) doesn't mean that human rights issues are a thing of the past.

    I'm also missing the part where this website is being filtered out by a repressive government. The fact that this site is up and running and I can view it from Canada despite the fact that it criticizes the current state of affairs in this country indicates that censorship isn't nearly as bad as in China.

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  13. dear han ultranationalists: by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    china is obviously a great power in this world. when you are a great power, you get criticized. with great power, this kind of criticism is a natural occurence

    a true great man can take lots of criticism in stride. an immature powerless man meanwhile freaks out every time someone suggests the slightest negative thing about him. it shows a lack of confidence, an insecurity

    han ultranationists: do you believe that china is a great power? if you do, then start acting as that great power status dictates: have more confidence. china will be criticized more and more every year since it is so powerful now. if you cannot handle that criticism, then you are in danger of destroying your own greatness with your own insecure behavior

    to defeat the creation of insecure people in china, you should foster a healthy amount of internal dissent and self-critical thinking in china. if you do not, if you censor anything that remotely criticizes the chinese government or the chinese nation, then what you do is make the chinese people permanent children. you incubate chinese who are unable to handle criticism without freaking out in insecurity and a lack of confidence

    and thereby diminishing the greatness of china

    china is a great nation. i believe that as an american. so start acting like a great nation, and grow some thicker skin when foreigners criticize china. being criticized is a natural product of being powerful. get used to it. believe me, as an american, i know something about being criticized on the world stage! and mostly, i just shrug it off. you should to

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