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Robotic Fish Track Targets, Communicate With One Another

Roland Piquepaille writes "Many of today's underwater robots need to periodically come up to the surface to communicate with their human supervisors. But researchers at the University of Washington (UW) have developed a new kind of underwater vehicle. The 'Robofish' can work cooperatively with each other. 'The Robofish, which are roughly the size of a 10-pound salmon, look a bit like fish because they use fins rather than propellers.' According to the researchers, such robots 'could cooperatively track moving targets underwater, such as groups of whales or spreading plumes of pollution, or explore caves, underneath ice-covered waters, or in dangerous environments where surfacing might not be possible.' Further information and more pictures are also available for these autonomous fin-actuated underwater vehicles."

68 comments

  1. Dun dun duuuuun by Scuzzm0nkey · · Score: 0

    What about when they gain sentience? It's going to be the end for humanity when they organize in the briny deeps.

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    1. Re:Dun dun duuuuun by BSAtHome · · Score: 1

      No, then they will leave a message "So long and thanks for all the fish".

  2. Anyone else miss the cold war? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Funny

    According to the researchers, such robots 'could cooperatively track moving targets underwater, such as groups of whales...
    Anyone else miss the cold war? In the eighties the press release about such gizmos would have mentioned "commie subs poised to vaporize Dick, Jane and their good ol' American homestead on a few minutes notice." Instead, we're left with following "groups of whales" around - sheesh.
    1. Re:Anyone else miss the cold war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Don't worry. PETA will impose a global ban the next time a shark goes tits up while to digest one of these.

    2. Re:Anyone else miss the cold war? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually just wait a bit more. the Former USSR is now pissed at the USA once again. (Something about our asshole practices of pushing our laws on them) and poised to whip the populace back up in a Hate amarica furvor once again.

      Oh and they still have the ability to kill every single man woman and child on this planet in less than 12 hours.

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    3. Re:Anyone else miss the cold war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Don't worry, in the direction your nation is going you are gaining cold war enemies at quite the rate due to how you are treating the rest of the world. Even your former allies are starting to back away.

      You will get your cold war back.

    4. Re:Anyone else miss the cold war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually just wait a bit more. the Former USSR is now pissed at the USA once again. (Something about our asshole practices of pushing our laws on them) and poised to whip the populace back up in a Hate amarica furvor once again. It's not just our bush baby that's done that... soul-seeing or not. Vladimir Putin is an ex-KGB chief, so he's been steering people back toward the US-is-the-enemy frame because, for him, it's a known-working means of controlling the population. He sees the Cold War as the good old days when things were simpler, and is working to bring that back. Note his inability to rescind power.

      Changing topics, I'm surprised nobody has pointed out the obvious utility of this technology for developing fully-robotic laser-armed sharks...
    5. Re:Anyone else miss the cold war? by belligerent0001 · · Score: 0, Troll

      I find it comical when people mention the "Cold War" as though it ended. It never really ended. The same jack offs that were in power are still in power. The only thing that really happened is that the break up of the old Soviet Union allowed the powers of the west to move closer to the traditional Russian borders AND allow us to move our bases closer to that border through treaties with the former Sov. States like Poland, Estonia, Latvia, etc. We won a battle in the cold war nothing more. (Thank Ronny! Sincerely!). I might point also point out that the bases that we closed, after being asked by the host governments, in Germany, Italy, etc., had a DRAMATIC impact on those countries' economics, for the worse. They love our dollars just not us...what f-ing whores they all are. F Europe...we left for a reason remember? And we have done just fine not being there. While I am at it...F the Middle East too, I am only a few million votes away from being elected President and putting the only good thing that Carter gave this country, the Neutron Bomb, on the entire stinking region. Then we could just ship the border jumpers there to drill and process the oil.

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    6. Re:Anyone else miss the cold war? by jackharrer · · Score: 2, Funny

      No problems for sharks to digest - they will cut them before to pieces with their lasers.

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      "an experienced, industrious, ambitious, and often, quite often, picturesque liar" - Mark Twain
    7. Re:Anyone else miss the cold war? by jackharrer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even more. Putin started camps for kids that are in principle very similar to HitlerJugend. There's also a quite a big nationalist movement in Russia.

      There's a big chance that new cold war will start but it'll be much different that the previous one. It can be 3 sided with China taking also strong-arming especially in Asia and Africa. Oh, in Brazil also. Also technical advancements changed many aspects of warfare, you can see it when you look at cyberattacks originating from China.

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    8. Re:Anyone else miss the cold war? by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 1

      It might also have something to do with them oppressing the freedom of speech, and tampering with the election system on a massive scale, and generally behaving more and more like a dictatorship.

      Of course, I'm talking about Russia, not the US, though I'll admit the differences are small.

    9. Re:Anyone else miss the cold war? by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      Don't blame it on the era, blame it on the journalists. If they had a bit of imagination they could have suggested it's use in catching rafts of illegal immigrants or maybe Muslim suicide bomber dolphins. Allah Akiikiikiiba!

      They will probably send them to swim through the sewers and listen to people's conversations from just around the u-bend. Those Government Bastards!

    10. Re:Anyone else miss the cold war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank God!
      What would be of us without the Russians?

      Think twice:
      - they killed HALF, yes, goddammed HALF of every fucking nazi.
      - they didn't drop napalm on innocent children.
      - they don't say they live in the freedom land, while their government censures "Hearts and Minds" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearts_and_Minds_%28film%29)
      - they don't keep saying "Long life to democracy!" while their secret agency keep killing presidents democratically elected and put dictators on countries' presidency (Salvador Allende, Diem, Sahato, and many many many many others.)

      Note: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3391643/Hearts.and.Minds.(1974).Won.Oscar.for.Best.Documentary

    11. Re:Anyone else miss the cold war? by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Australia was never at war with Eurasia. Australia has always been at war with Eastasia.

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  3. But.. do they fart? by witherstaff · · Score: 2, Funny

    An Ig Noble award was for Fish Flatulence as a means of communication.

    So we just need to create a robotic Bender, that burps and has an exploding ass, to really understand nature.

    1. Re:But.. do they fart? by Ox0065 · · Score: 1

      You could do away with the fins then!

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  4. Skin depth -- why submarines use VLF radio by compumike · · Score: 5, Informative

    They talk about trouble with communications while underwater, but the Skin effect describes how in a conductive media (say, seawater), various frequencies of electromagnetic waves are attenuated with distance. In short, high frequencies travel less distance into the material than lower frequencies. This is why the requirements for shielding of different electronics can be very different -- higher operating frequency implies thinner shielding. And of course it's also why submarines use very low frequencies to communicate. (See also LORAN positioning system.)

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    1. Re:Skin depth -- why submarines use VLF radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, reflection between conductor and di-electric decreases with frequency. This is why they can't make their fish babble at 50Hz; they would never be able to communicate with them from above.

      Either stick an antenna in the water, or have two seperate radio modulators on board for communication.

    2. Re:Skin depth -- why submarines use VLF radio by flyingsquid · · Score: 1

      Salmon sized fish, huh? Once they release these into the ocean, they aren't going to last very long against the sea lions. Of course, we could solve the sea lion problem with a robotic orca...

    3. Re:Skin depth -- why submarines use VLF radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Submarines do not use LORAN below the surface. (See Submarine Navigation

  5. Prey by mofonius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What happens when another fish mistakenly eats the robofish?

    1. Re:Prey by Monoliath · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm very interested in the answer your question, as I'm sure the materials used to manufacture this robo fish are incredibly poisonous.

      I can't believe the forward thinking about oceanic pollution when it comes to putting devices like this in the water is not present when it comes to their prototype development. It's like we're right back in the excessive product commercialism of the 50's and 60's all over again...despite the education and technology behind ecological systems these days.

    2. Re:Prey by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm guessing you have never watched a fish tank for any period of time. Even gold fish who tend to try eating everything will have a taste and ignore it after. Now, if the robo-fish gets any algae on it, it could be problematic as that would make it taste like something to eat.

      Other than that, all those old boats sitting on the bottom have not been eaten bit by bit, so you can relax and quit worrying about the fish being killed by poisonous parts from the robo-fish.

      Grouper and sharks and larger predatory fish might damage them in the initial lets have a taste moment, but I don't think there is too much to worry about there.

    3. Re:Prey by Monoliath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To compare the toxicity of an electronically guided fish to a sunken boat...is a little excessive IMHO not only that, you're approaching this from the perspective that sunken boats, depending on what their cargo was, and how recent the boat was manufactured, are themselves not a source of biological toxins.

      I am not a tree hugger, but my point here is that this kind of development needs to be approached from a much more ecologically sound perspective, given that the level of education and technology is advanced enough to do so.

      What I see is this idea taking off, and then thousands of these things being produced...without any kind of biologically retroactive plan as far as what happens when they become inactive and begin to degrade in the open ocean...at numbers in the thousands.

    4. Re:Prey by couchslug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I'm very interested in the answer your question, as I'm sure the materials used to manufacture this robo fish are incredibly poisonous."

      Why are you "sure" of that?

      Most of the materials are obvious (metal, plastic, printed circuit board, battery) so unless there is Something Very Bad cunningly hidden is it's robo-guts, it's no worse than chucking a PC over the side. One shipwreck would put more material on the sea bed than the entire likely robo-fish production.

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    5. Re:Prey by FurtiveGlancer · · Score: 1

      It is written: this too shall come to pass.

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    6. Re:Prey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what about fish crap?

    7. Re:Prey by djklein · · Score: 1

      I can confirm that there is nothing toxic in the robots. Side panels are aluminum and the clear parts are acrylic. Even the PCB is RoHS.

  6. roughly the size of a 10-pound salmon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can someone translate into black-footed ferrets? We don't use salmon units here, inland.

    1. Re:roughly the size of a 10-pound salmon? by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Depends, is it summer or winter ferrets you mostly use?

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  7. need a better apronym by slew · · Score: 5, Funny

    Instead of calling them "autonomous fin-actuated underwater vehicles", perhaps they could call them "autonomous fin-inducted submarine hybrid" or just AFISH for short...

    1. Re:need a better apronym by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "submarine hybrid autonomous reticulated killer" Oh, wait... that's the version with lasers on their heads, not the whale researcher model.

  8. Robo-Carp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will they be given the default bite attack? and what terrain type should I start seeing them in?

  9. Re:Wow that's so clever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we only do it to piss you off. That's the funny punch line.

  10. Where are the lasers? by LlamaDragon · · Score: 0, Redundant

    No one will take them seriously without frikkin' laser beams attached to their heads.

    1. Re:Where are the lasers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HA HA HA you alluded to that stupidass shark-with-lasers meme and got modded down, proving that every now and then things really do happen the way they should.

  11. You can bet your bottom dollar... by hyades1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The first time a fisherman accidentally catches one of these things, I have no doubt he'll swear it weighed at least 30 pounds, was half the length of his boat and towed him around the bay for half an hour.

    When he realized what he had, of course, he released it.

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  12. Re:This is how it's done by jedie · · Score: 1

    /. memes dying, netcraft confirms

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  13. Ok, this is pretty cool, but... by loonicks · · Score: 1

    I build autonomous underwater mine-hunting vehicles. Beat that, fishy.

    1. Re:Ok, this is pretty cool, but... by archkittens · · Score: 1

      i for one, welcome our new aquatic mine hunting overlords.

  14. Surf Patrol by Talisman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They need to make one roughly the size of a killer whale that targets and chases sharks out of areas where people engage in water activities, such as surfing.

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    1. Re:Surf Patrol by Fumus · · Score: 1

      You are aware that more people die due to falling from their own stairs than are killed by sharks?

    2. Re:Surf Patrol by Talisman · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but falling down my stairs doesn't scare the fuck out of me.

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      "Study your math, kids. Key to the universe." -The Archangel Gabriel
    3. Re:Surf Patrol by Fumus · · Score: 1

      I'd be more afraid of stingrays.

    4. Re:Surf Patrol by djklein · · Score: 1

      Ah yes - that'd be awesome. Except the environmentalists who posted above would never let a thing like that into the pristine ocean.

    5. Re:Surf Patrol by fractoid · · Score: 1

      So you're saying we should build robots to protect us? What if they push old people downstairs?

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  15. Calm down dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just wanted to know if they ran linux....or if there comunication was advanced enough to be put in a beowolf cluster

    -sent from a blackberry on the rogers network

  16. Why? by smaddox · · Score: 1

    I don't understand why people try to apply electric motors to linear propulsion. The reason animals use linear propulsion is because they use linear "motors" called muscles.

    If we were to develop synthetic muscles, then and only then does linear propulsion make sense. I suppose hydraulics are somewhat similar, but they are not nearly as robust as something based on fibers could be.

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are aware that this is being done by the NONlinear Dynamics and Controls Lab, right?

    2. Re:Why? by Ox0065 · · Score: 1

      ...because rotors sound like rotors & fish sound like fish.
      You don't really think these are for tracking whales do you?

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    3. Re:Why? by djklein · · Score: 1

      You have a good point. Just because fish use a tail doesn't mean engineered systems should too. But there are benefits to fin actuation. For example, most all propeller driven subs are rigid, which limits their maneuverability. The flexible body of fin actuation allows the robot to be much more maneuverable. Also, cavitation is a non-issue with fin-actuation. As for efficiency, I suspect you're right that electric motors will be more efficient when driving a prop, especially considering that props have over 60 years of optimization and testing in them.

  17. Forget SkyNet by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here comes FishNet!

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  18. So glad it's not sharks by ksd1337 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I'm just glad that they stuck with fish and didn't decide to make sharks with lasers.

  19. Re:Wow that's so clever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The repetition of the meme doesn't piss me off. The mindlessness of the people who so consistently do it and the worse mindlessness of the people who think it's funny pisses me off. So yeah, what a punch line, making yourself a mindless sheeple follower in order to piss me off. If you decided to cut off your own foot that might get a negative reaction from me too, and then what would you say? Would you say "HAHA I really got you that time you fucker!!"?

  20. I for one... by LuNa7ic · · Score: 1

    I for one... oh, nevermind.

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  21. Other groups have been doing this for years by lordlod · · Score: 1

    A group at the ANU has been working in this field for at least three years now. Their submersible is called the Serafina and more details are available at http://serafina.com.au/

    Ongoing research include swarm style movement and problem solving. Each of the submersibles includes a 122kHz long wave radio, there are also ongoing experiments in using LEDs for optical communication.

  22. Re:Wow that's so clever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you need help....

  23. Lasers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why the next logical step would be to put frickin lasers on those robotic fish.

  24. Roland's blogspam by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In every one of Roland Piquepaille's submissions he links to his own blog at the nd "Further information...". This of course is just stuff he's plagiarised from the original sites. Slashdot encourages this thief and rewards him by linking him on the front page, elevating his pagerank.

  25. I had to bite by f00dif00 · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome our autonomous fin-actuated underwater vehicle overlords.

  26. Oh, come on... by srussell · · Score: 1

    ... for these autonomous fin-actuated underwater vehicles.

    At least try... how about "fin impelled subaquatic hydrosphere-mobile" -- F.I.S.H.

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