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Canada's Proposed DMCA-Style Law Draws Fire

litui writes "Michael Geist assesses the problems with new copyright legislation presented today. In short, it looks like unless it's heavily contested, Canadians are in for a worse piece of law than the DMCA." CBC News' story quotes one critic, Scott Brison, who warns that enforcing the anti-circumvention clauses of this legislation would turn Canada into a police state — which, considering the pervasive eavesdropping it would take to make sure that people aren't enjoying their rights to fair use (or "fair dealing") of hardware or media, seems like a fair prediction.

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  1. Write Your MP by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please write your MP and let them know you want no part of this bill. Please write a polite and informed message to them, encourage them to check out Michael Geist's page (link in article above). The world does not need another DMCA that empowers big media at the expenses of consumers' rights. Write your MP.

    1. Re:Write Your MP by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would urge everyone to write a dead tree version, rather than just an email. If a thousand people wrote in, well, it's easy to delete a thousand emails from an inbox, but throwing out a thousand pieces of paper will make any politician think twice. Besides, I believe writing to your MP is still postage free.

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  2. We have to stop C-61 cold. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When's the first protest? It's time to march the hill.

    1. Re:We have to stop C-61 cold. by Vectronic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why wait for someone else to start it?

  3. Re:A small piece of hope by JebusIsLord · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or 3 months for the media to get bored with the issue, and then they can quietly pass it without a fuss.

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  4. Canada, eh? by Slimee · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Guess I'm glad I don't live up there for once.

    But seriously, this is a scary thought to see a country changing it's laws to match this new digital age. If this gets through it could cause a ripple effect in other countries.

    While I realize the likelihood of a law such as this would be difficult to pass in the US, you know there's going to be a "monkey see, monkey do" attitude and there will probably be a bit more of a stronger force trying to push similar bills through Congress.

  5. We need to contact the MSM by Geof · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Most people still get their news through the mainstream media. Many of them have published warmed-over versions of the government press release. We need to contact them to let them know how disastrous this law will be. Some examples:

    Ottawa brings copyright into the digital age -- The Toronto Star

    The federal government tabled new legislation Thursday morning designed to make it easier to track and prosecute anyone caught downloading copyrighted files, such as music and movies, from the Internet. -- The Globe and Mail

    Controversial copyright legislation positioned as a made-in-Canada solution to stamp out online piracy -- The National Post

  6. Legal music downloads in Canada? by link-error · · Score: 1, Insightful


      I was thinking yesterday after the discussion about whether it is legal to purchase music from Russian allofmp3.com. It was stated that if you actually purchased the music outside of the US then brought it back without, it would be legal.

        What if I went up to Canada, purchased some blank-media including the music tax and brought them back with me to the US. Legally, I've already paid for any music downloads I do to put on those CD's, and those rights were obtained outside of the US. Right?

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  7. Draconian Legislation. by twitter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Big publishers are buying draconian legislation because only that will preserve their place in the world. They have gotten away with as much as they have because they control broadcast media, but fewer people are paying attention to that. We are in a race to save the internet before big publishers can destroy it. They demand the same kinds of control over the internet that they had over print and broadcast. That is, the ability to limit what can be shared regardless of who creates it. It's not about entertainment and "piracy", it's about control. The DMCA gives them channel control and the nastier provision give them ability to harass other publishers with cease and desist letters. Windows and Mac have have "copy protection" built in that enforces the rest.

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    1. Re:Draconian Legislation. by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, I read Mr. Twit's post several times looking for an MSFT reference. It isn't there. Are you suggesting that the twit is only allowed to post anti-MSFT screeds, and as this is not an MSFT related issue, he has no right to comment?

      The you blather on about 'your rights' and 'taking your anti-corporate rants elsewhere.' In the same damn sentence. May I ask, who is endangering your rights if it isn't the corporations?

      I think your irrational hatred of the twit is clouding your judgment. He's a sock puppeting fool, but you come across as even more of a loony than he does by lashing out at him like that.

      Most of us just ignore him when he's being an idiot, which he's not even doing here.

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    2. Re:Draconian Legislation. by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, we get it, that's my point. You are currently beating a greasy, horse shaped patch on the ground. The reason I wasn't modded off topic is that people are obviously as sick of this game as I am. Take it as a hint and find another hobby.

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  8. Re:Drawing Fire by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If only it was that simple. The opposition is in disarray, which is why a minority Conservative government dares to pull crap like this. Their main opposition, the Liberal Party, doesn't have the money or leadership to fight an election, so they'll pretty much agree to anything in order to dodge one. The other two major parties, the Bloc and NDP, don't have enough seats to do anything about it. The Conservatives will find a way to make the vote a matter of confidence, the Liberals will fold, and that will be that. It has nothing to do with what the majority of Canadians want.

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  9. Worse is better. by a+whoabot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So proprietary software, RIAA music, Hollywood movies and television will be more tightly controlled by the copyright holders. Maybe now people will turn the stuff off and be better off in the long run.

  10. Re:Mac and Linux users... by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wouldn't holding down the shift key, and disabling autorun also count as circumventing their DRM?

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  11. Re:Political Theatre by digitrev · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Liberals? Force an election? If they didn't do it over Afghanistan or the budget, what makes you think they'll do it over something that the average person knows nothing about? My biggest fear is that this will be a matter of confidence, thus shooing away the Liberals and giving this bill a free ride through parliament.

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  12. The Sci-Fi Present by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More and more, I'm feeling like the sci-fi stories we've all been reading for years are becoming less far-fetched as time goes on. I'm not talking about the technology of such stories, but rather the trends of governments and societies towards insane laws that stifle freedom and progress, and which make life worse for all but a few of the citizens.

    Cory Doctorow's recent story "I, Robot" comes to mind.

    How do these laws keep getting pushed through in the "free world" of democratic governments? Yes, I understand the influence of lobbyists and big business, but still. Is it really too complicated for the average person to understand the significance of these laws? Or do they just not care?

    Perhaps it is just a limitation of our systems of government. As a US citizen I hate DMCA-style laws. But I only get one vote for a given office, and I have to find ONE candidate to agree with me not just on DCMA, but on war, health care, economics, and all the other issues. Furthermore, I only get two choices with a realistic shot at victory, and it's likely they've both already been bought by big media.

    So what's left to do? I'm asking honestly, how do we work towards change? I'm hoping for something between "angry blog post" and "bloody military coup."

    1. Re:The Sci-Fi Present by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You nailed it. The two party system, while not law, is the logical consequence of the USA's political system. The only way to bring about major changes to the status quo is to change the two party system. This could be accomplished by using a different voting system in which voting for an unpopular candidate is not a waste of a vote. There are many such systems - Ranked Pairs, Instant Runoff, Range Voting, etc.

      There are three ways I know of to bring about such a change.

      1. Have our legislators see the benefits of such a change and then enact it. Since the two party system benefits no one more than the people it elects, this is highly unlikely.

      2. Campaign among the general public, and make this such a major issue that political candidates will need to embrace it in order to be elected. Unfortunately, getting even a small percentage of the general public to care about this issue and to unite behind it is also highly unlikely.

      3. Revolt. This can only happen if things get much worse. As much as people complain about politics, they are making "good money" as you say and are too comfortable for anything drastic.

      There you have it - three options, all unrealistic. Two parties are probably here to stay, and so is all the corruption and corporate influence that goes with it. God, what a shame.

  13. Re:Liberals by porcupine8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Uh, we get to overthrow a percentage of our government every two years like clockwork.

    It's our own problem if we don't take advantage of the opportunity.

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  14. It's even worse than you think by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you read the bill over quickly, it appears to guarantee certain consumer rights, such as copying CD's you legally bought, time-shifting and such. Closer examination, though, shows that those rights are actually non-existent. All a corporation needs to do is put copy protection on a CD/DVD or tell you they don't want you to reproduce the music or whatever and disobeying their wish would be illegal. So if the producer put "DO NOT COPY" on the cover of a CD, you're screwed...even if you just brought it home from the store.

    I won't bother going into detail on the whole police state aspect to this abortion because somebody's already done so. But it's scary as hell.

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  15. Re:Political Theatre by fiendy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Indeed, this bill will likely just die in parliament. That does not mean I am not wholeheartedly against it and the US lobbying that brought it. I will consider writing to my MP on this issue (sidenote: No postage is required to send a letter to your MP).

    Some copyright protection reform is obviously needed, but only something that does not villify consumers, make a mockery of fair use or bend to the US **AA lobbying agenda.

  16. Re:Mac and Linux users... by digitrev · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not only that, but if this bill gets passed, you just broke the law by saying that.

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  17. Re:Mac and Linux users... by Vectronic · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No, I don't believe so. the Digital Right Management nonsense is an API thing, so anytime the installer/application runs it will launch/access the API and associated applications...

    not allowing auto-run only delays it from starting as soon as a CD is inserted.

    Plus, an autorun.ini basically just points windows to A) the icon to display in "My Computer", and B) the setup.exe

    Setup.exe when run will still use the DRM stuff, as for movies and music, well thats up to the player, WMP (et al) will still phone home/look for a key if the media its about to play is asking for it, regardless of wether it was "autorun" or not.

  18. This bill is not designed to pass by duketor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The bill still has to go through committee (LOL that will be fun) and back to the house, and then the Senate. I can see an election happening long before this becomes law.

    Politically, this is pretty stupid to roll out, but I think Harper is feeling heat from American business interests and bowing to them - SOP for this government.

    In the scrum at the announcement, there were deflections over questions over whether a kid remixing and uploading a song to YouTube would be slapped with a $500 fine. I think they know they are vulnerable on this: Vernier suddenly developed a hearing problem and Prentice was a bot, repeating carefully scripted talking points. Watch the video, it's quite amusing: http://tinyurl.com/3zvmjn

    Let me assure you, while Canadians are mostly passive, people will hold this one against the government Some of you may remember when there was that outrage over Rogers Cable's negative-option billing scheme. The lesson that all governments should heed is that it's not wise to mess with a Canadian's media. :)

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    1. Re:This bill is not designed to pass by Jabrwock · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The bill still has to go through committee (LOL that will be fun) and back to the house It's timing is designed to avoid going to committee. By scheduling the 2nd reading for the fall, they force the committee meetings to be during the summer, when everyone's on break.

      So it will hit it's 2nd reading before anyone has a chance to discuss it. As for the senate, Harper will just attach it to an appropriations bill, and voila! Instant confidence motion, which means the Liberals will let it pass...
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  19. Re:Current Goverment Talking points by MrAndrews · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I got that one too, and my favourite bit is:

    What Bill C-61 does not do:

    it would not empower border agents to seize your iPod or laptop at border crossings, contrary to recent public speculation No, that's in ACTA. How clever of them to sidestep the issue by confusing matters.
  20. Re:Mac and Linux users... by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even worse.

    If they put in one bit and call it a "copyright protection device", you can't copy it or you're breaking the law. It doesn't have to DO anything, just be called a "copy protect flag". If no devices exist that support it, then you have to buy a new compliant device. Otherwise, that's circumventing.

    Geist is right. It passes the law onto the companies instead of to the courts.

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  21. My letter to Jim Prentice by Digital_Quartz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The American DMCA has many faults, but one of the more serious faults found within is the so-called "anti-circumvention law". This law essentially makes it illegal for Americans to bypass electronic locks, or "DRM", on content they own. Such a law gives unlimited power to content owners, and strips any and all rights from consumers, even rights explicitly laid out in law. This is not a "fair and balanced" approach to copyright.

    Before we pass a similar law here in Canada, we must first ask ourselves what the purpose of such a law would be? The industry groups tell us that these locks are meant to protect against piracy, and that anti-circumvention legislation is therefore required to protect their intellectual property. If the goal is to prevent consumers from copying software, movies, and music, then we need pass no further legislation, for these acts are already illegal in this country (with the obvious exception of the private copying act of 1998). The act of copying such intellectual property is already illegal, and there is little sense in making it "more illegal".

    DRM has extremely dire side effects. DRM stands for "Digital Rights Management", and that's exactly what it does; it controls what rights a consumer does and does not have over the media the consumer has purchased. But these are rights determined by the content provider, not by law, and the revocation of these rights becomes the province of private industry, which has already demonstrated a total disregard for consumer rights.

    For starters, there exists no DRM scheme which does not also generate vendor lock-in as a side effect; music purchased on Apple's iTunes Music Store can only be played on computers running Apple's iTunes software or on Apple's iPod line of portable music players. Some DRM schemes, such as Microsoft's now defunct "PlaysForSure", are lice sensed to multiple manufacturers. However, even though you can buy multiple players from different hardware manufacturers that support PlaysForSure, when purchasing one of these players you are essentially locking yourself into Microsoft's music store.

    Microsoft's PlaysForSure is an excellent example, by the way, of the problems inherent in a DRM scheme, because Microsoft has recently closed its authentication servers down [4]. This means that millions of people who bought music from Microsoft can no longer move that content to new audio players. If these consumers loose their existing audio players, or their players or computers break or are sold, then all of the music these people have purchased - music which they own - will be irretrievably lost. The only option these people have is to buy the media they already own a second time.

    By enshrining digital locks and DRM in law, you ultimately give license to the content industries to write their own laws where copyright is concerned, because any rights given to consumers, even rights given explicitly under law, can be revoked by the application of a digital lock. Rights such as the "first sale doctrine", the ability to enjoy content on the player of your choice, the ability to format shift media from one format to another; all of these are taken away by almost every existing DRM scheme.

    Many DRM schemes, especially in the realm of computer software, do not explicitly enumerate which rights they revoke in a clear and transparent manner to the consumer. Many times consumers are not even aware of the restrictions imposed upon them until they attempt to breach those restrictions. Rarely are consumers trying to breach these restrictions with criminal intent.

    It is also important to point out that most such electronic locks are ultimately pointless; as soon as a single user bypasses the lock and posts the content to the internet, the content can easily be copied by all. Such locks will also always be easy to bypass because, from a technical standpoint, the underlying principal of such a lock is inherently flawed. All DRM schemes are based on encryption. Encryption, at it's most fundamental,

  22. Feeding the trolls by Geof · · Score: 4, Insightful

    mainstream media, like 99% of sane adults, care about the economy, taxes, the war in Iraq, health care and pensions.

    Probably 99% of Canadians don't care a whole lot about the war in Iraq. Health care yes, even though we're all covered. But taxes? That's basically what this law is. Allow me to quote Mark Lemley on the faculty of Stanford Law School: "intellectual property is a form of government subsidy". The monopoly protection this law introduces will increase the cost of music, video, computers, cell phones, and so on. So yeah, it's a tax in all but name. But I don't listen to music and I borrow my videos from the library, so the truth is I don't care a whole lot about how much those cost. This law is a whole lot more - and the more is the problem.

    I care about being able to use my computer as a I wish. I care about living in a living, vibrant culture which people can engage in, rather than having it exclusively controlled by American entertainment giants. I care about not having a War on Drugs repeat waged against 90% of the population under the age of 35% for listening to music of all things.

    If people like you spent half as much time actually doing something as you do criticizing those who do (or whining about those who don't) your country and mine would be a whole lot more democratic.

  23. What about the "media levy" in Canada? by databank · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does the mean the Recording Industry can no longer collect taxes on any and all CD/DVD recordable media once it passes since it'll be completely illegal to record anything for private use?

    If this gets passed, it would mean that the primary use of CD/DVD recordable media would be for data backup purposes of which the Recording Industry has absolutely no involvement and the excuse that the media could be used for private duplication is out the window since it would be illegal to do so.

    I bet the Recording Industry would back off if they knew their "free money" from media cds were cutoff.

  24. Re:Current Goverment Talking points by Digital_Quartz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What does Bill C-61 mean to Canadians?

    Specifically, it includes measures that would:

    -expressly allow you to record TV shows for later viewing; copy legally purchased music onto other devices, such as MP3 players or cell phones;


    Provided that the music isn't coming from a DVD, and that the original source isn't protected by DRM, in which case the new bill actually expressly criminalizes it, whereas before it would have been legal.

    -make back-up copies of legally purchased books, newspapers, videocassettes and photographs onto devices you own;


    But not laser discs, video-CDs, DVDs, or any other audio-visual media with the exception of videocassettes. Again, these are now criminalized.

    and limit the "statutory damages" a court could award for all private use copyright infringements;


    If you're using P2P technology, this new bill imposes a $20,000 fine for "making available", which is far more than the current statutory damages.

    clarify the roles and responsibilities of Internet Service Providers related to the copyright content flowing over their network facilities; and


    This part doesn't seem so bad (unless I'm missing something). Basically, if ISPs get served with a notice, they have to pass it on to their users, which seems good.

  25. Re:I always thought Canada was a great by p0tat03 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Canada's governmental system has one advantage over the US: we don't radicalize quickly. Because a government falls if defeated on a major bill, the laws that get tabled generally are much tamer than their American counterparts. This law, sadly, is the exception to the rule.

    Canada is pretty great. I'm currently working in Seattle, but grew up in Vancouver, and despite the similar climate, the culture is worlds apart. People in Canada are just... *nicer*, I have to say. They're more polite, they actually say thank you sometimes... I can't count the number of times the employee across the counter here in Seattle seemed surprised when I thanked them. What's wrong with you people? Seriously, I can't count the number of times people at Starbucks just grab their brew and go, without so much as acknowledging the guy who just made it for you.

  26. Re:Liberals by digitrev · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Scratch that, reverse it. Conservatives ~ Republicans (right wing), and Liberals ~ Democrats (left wing).

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  27. Re:Liberals by duh+P3rf3ss3r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are 100% wrong. The Canadian Conservative Party is pretty much like the Democrats in the US. The Canadian Liberal Party is further left than anything that exists in the US right now. The New Democrats and the Bloc Quebecois are socialists -- I don't think any of those survive in the US, am I right?

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  28. Re:Liberals by loraksus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Come on, just come out and say it... Stefan Dion (liberal party leader) is a spineless bitch. He has let virtually everything go by him, without opposition since the formation of this minority government and one that has all but dissapeared from the public eye in recent months.
    It would be nice if "the leader of the opposition" actually did his fucking job.

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  29. Twitter obsessed fools: please note by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK!

    By now, even twitter's grandmother's dog's fleas know he uses sockpuppets, mission accomplished, let it go. I'm bored to death of whiny people with twitter obsessions. So he uses sock puppets, get over it. No one else cares. Either refute what he says, or leave it alone, it makes you all look even nuttier than twitter himself.

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    1. Re:Twitter obsessed fools: please note by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nah, there's no way you could make that accusation stick, I'm too well known here and hated in my own right. :P

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  30. Re:Current Goverment Talking points by mrmcwn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whatever. There are fines for jaywalking and speeding too, but I've never had to pay one. The kids smoking dope in the park near my house appear to do it with impunity. The law, as with most that don't involve physical injury or invasion, is basically unenforceable. Get creative, people. Hint: . Backup to the Torrent network, which is probably the most reliable RAID anywhere.

  31. Re:Mac and Linux users... by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know about this one, but certainly the US's DMCA attacks only technology who's primary purpose is to circumvent copy protection. Neither MacOSX nor Linux fit that description. Good luck getting libdvdcss through though.

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  32. RE: technological measures by phillipsjk256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After about an hour, I realised that the "technological measure" definition probably refers to the "effective technological measures" described in the 1997 WIPO treaty.

    Article 11: Obligations concerning Technological Measures

    The existence of legal protection for "effective Technological Measures" does not necessarily imply any actually exist. Technological Measures MUST be effective for legal protection, otherwise, it would be impossible to know if you are circumventing them.

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