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Paul Suspends Presidential Campaign, Forms New Org

JoeKuboj writes "Texas Rep. Ron Paul announced Thursday he is suspending his bid for the Republican presidential nomination to focus his time on building an organization to help recruit and elect 'limited government Republicans.' Paul's decision to leave the race is an acknowledgment he had no chance of winning the GOP nomination. But even in loss, Paul is one of a handful of candidates who walked away from this presidential contest a winner. His presidential campaign had a broad base of support that included traditionally fiscal and socially conservative Republicans to young people who were angry about the U.S. decision to wage war against Iraq."

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  1. No, I don't think so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    His presidential campaign had a broad base of support that included traditionally fiscal and socially conservative Republicans to young people who were angry about the U.S. decision to wage war against Iraq. The socially conservative Republicans were strongly against Ron Paul.
  2. Re:Things that make you go "hmm..." by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 4, Informative

    Paul's "We the People Act" was designed to overturn Lawrence v. Texas and gave express permission to states to forbid homosexual conduct.

    Paul doesn't believe in limited government, just limited federal government. He has no problem with individual states violating human rights with no recourse whatsoever.

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  3. Re:Things that make you go "hmm..." by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 3, Informative
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  4. Re:The 13th-15th. by Hubbell · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hence the AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION that established civil rights for them and other minorities. If you wanna have something that affects all states that isn't deemed a power granted to the legislative branch by the Constitution, try and get it amended! Otherwise, the states get to choose, or atleast should.

  5. Actually, he's a creationist. by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Informative
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  6. Re:How Is This News For Nerds??!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Tip: The legislative (iebranch is supposed to write laws. The Executive (ie, President) branch is supposed to enforce/execute the laws. If you remember that and take a look at what presidential candidates are proposing, you'll realize his extension/usurpation is far less than anyone else.

  7. Re:The 13th-15th. by Valdrax · · Score: 1, Informative

    You obviously missed the parallel between you supporting a Constitutional amendment allowing states to discriminate against gay people and previous state behavior towards black people. Not that I should have had to spell that out for you.

    The 14th Amendment ensures that Constitutional rights belong to state citizens as well. Read up more on substantive due process if you don't know why Lawrence v. Texas turned out the way it did.

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  8. Re:Things that make you go "hmm..." by Hubbell · · Score: 3, Informative

    Lincoln in his own words said he would have gladly kept the Union together if it merely meant allowing the South to keep their slaves. He only freed the slaves in the SOUTHERN states in the emancipation proclamation so they would revolt and help the North in their war effort. Slaves in the north were left enslaved.

  9. Re:Things that make you go "hmm..." by diamondmagic · · Score: 2, Informative

    Grandparent is correct. The Civil war was started over state's rights, not slavery (not directly at least, slavery was the key part of the state's rights issue). Lincoln made it a war directly about slavery only after the Emancipation Proclamation

  10. Re:Happened once already by grylnsmn · · Score: 5, Informative

    Before reagan, pubs wanted us to stay out of other nations (except covertly; nam was started covertly by Eisenhower),

    Actually, Truman is the one who first sent troops to Vietnam, not Eisenhower.

  11. Re:Not a bad plan by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Approval voting" FTW. It has most of the benefits of IRV, plus it's easier to explain to layman.

  12. "Social conservative" in the US by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unless the submitter has some special definition of "socially conservative" In the United States of America, "social conservatism" tends to mean some measure of theonomy, based on a (selective) interpretation of the Torah. For example, social conservatives would be more likely:
    • to offer adoption instead of feticide to women with unwanted unborn children ("thou shalt not kill"),
    • to recommend execution of people convicted of murder who have lost their appeal ("a life for a life"), and
    • not to provide for civil unions of same-sex couples that are analogous to marriage ("a man who lies with a man the way one lies with a woman commits an abomination").
    1. Re:"Social conservative" in the US by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Informative

      # to recommend execution of people convicted of murder who have lost their appeal ("a life for a life")


      Negatory there chief. "An Eye for an Eye" is an argument FOR justice and AGAINST escalation. As in, against the previous unchecked vigilantism. It's better phrased, "no more than an eye for an eye."

      not to provide for civil unions of same-sex couples that are analogous to marriage ("a man who lies with a man the way one lies with a woman commits an abomination").


      Yeah, you're probably right there, though. On the other hand, there's no compelling state interest in same-sex marriage. Perhaps we should evaluate whether there is a compelling state interest in marriage, at all.
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    2. Re:"Social conservative" in the US by JCWDenton · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is exactly what Dr Paul has always maintained. Marriage is a religious ceremony and it's not for the state or federal government to interfere. He supports contracts between people.

      It's one of the many reasons I vigorously support Dr Paul. His principled and informed view on issues guided by the constitution and the fact no one has a right telling others what to do.

    3. Re:"Social conservative" in the US by Entropius · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fetus is the US spelling.

      Foetus is the British spelling.

  13. And apparently this is a lamestream media meme... by weston · · Score: 5, Informative

    One more thing: I think it's especially interesting that this sentiment isn't just from supporters of Candidates like Paul (who is in fact starkly different from most candidates on several fronts). This portrayal of the general presidential election as one of small differences is actually apparently a mainstream media meme:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-obamacain8-2008jun08,0,543931.story
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aH8EMkkeMCtw&refer=politics

    Not unanticipated, or without precedent:

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/how-will-the-campaign-be-covered/

    I think the question is: Why? Why, when there are easily locatable differences are there people who seem to like level them? I can understand why Paul looks different compared to Obama and McCain, but that's not even who we're talking about -- we're talking about a media that played up the heat of the contest between Obama and Clinton, but now appears to be playing down the much greater gulf.

    Maybe it's because McCain appears to be a moderate if you average his positions:

    http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14577.html
    http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15649.html

    Or maybe it's some inner working of mainstream "journalism" that's just too mysterious for me.

    Or maybe it's true what my acquaintances who've worked in the Senate have said: McCain's great in front of the cameras, assiduously cultivates one media image, but in private, he's at best a tyrant and quite possibly mentally instable (note: before you try to pass that off on partisan rancor, note that these acquaintances (plural) that I've received these opinions from were *Republican* Senate staff).

    But that's a rumor, one you can't verify unless you also have the acquaintance of Senate staff, and I don't expect you to believe a random poster on the internet about this. Just whatever you do, don't fall for the line that McCain and Obama are somehow twins, that voting for either won't make a difference.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080528/pl_nm/usa_politics_issues_dc

    Who you cast your vote for absolutely matters this fall. If you absolutely HAVE to -- vote for Ron Paul or your favorite third party candidate to send a message, sure. Everybody has that right and it's a legitimate use of a vote. But make sure you really understand who the candidates are before you cast your vote. If you genuinely think Obama and McCain are the same, you quite simply haven't done that yet, and your vote will be cast irresponsibly.

  14. Re:Interesting by nategoose · · Score: 2, Informative

    For the last decade or so the Republican party has been pretty successful at keeping roughly 3 different groups with different interests convinced that the their interests were what the Republican party was all about even though the interests of those groups often conflict.

  15. Re:Things that make you go "hmm..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    But for to be the only State in this here Union which was previously a successful country of it's own right, to me that's pretty decent. Don't you agree? No, the Vermont Republic (1777-1791) had 'first post.' "[With] the first written constitution for an independent state in North America (1777) and first constitution in the New World to outlaw slavery and allow all adult males to vote, regardless of property ownership", later becoming the 14th state. Wikipedia notes that California and Hawaii were independent states, as well.

    From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont_Republic):

    While the other three independent republics that became U.S. states (the Republic of Texas, the California Republic, and the Republic of Hawaii) used the term "president" to refer to their chief executives, Vermont used the term "governor."
  16. Re:A broad base of .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    We can't all be obamamaniacs.

    Hail OBAMA!
    Hail the MESSIAH!
    HE shall save us from our sins!

  17. The irony is that Ron Paul is a liberal by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Informative

    i find it ironic that the Democratic party in the US is accused of being liberal when in fact they are social democrats. Ron Paul's policies are closer to true liberalism than either of the larger parties.

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  18. Re:I too approve of approval voting by JeepFanatic · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Constitution was designed such that elections are left for the states to control - see Article 1 Section 4. Before the 17th Amendment, US Senators were chosen by the state legislatures as a type of balance against the power of the federal government over the states - by the Senators depending upon reelection by the "state" - see Article 1 Section 3 (this is something I believe we should consider returning to).

    The 17th Amendment didn't need to specify any further "how" the Senators should be elected other than by the people of the each state and was worded specifically to fit with the original wording.

  19. Re:Isolationism rising by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Informative

    the oldies that remember Pearl Harbor The US had been providing aid to England, who was officially at war with Japan.
    Japan sent a letter to the government of the united states, declaring war.
    Japan sent a giant fleet of war planes towards a military base, on foreign soil, in full view of the worlds' most advanced radar system in the world.

    The declaration of war was ignored, the radar operators were told to shut up and turn off their equipement, and the attack was said to be a cowardly surprise attack on the united states, rather than the business-as-usual military action against a military target not on US soil.

    I can't wait for the generations that bought into the propaganda of the "cowardly attack on the US" to die off. The truth shall set the rest of us free.
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  20. Re:Isolationism rising by matthaak · · Score: 2, Informative

    Typically, isolationism refers to a combined military and economic policy whereby military non-interventionism is combined with economic protectionism. In other words, an isolationist doesn't just believe the US would be better off not meddling in foreign wars and political matters, they also believe there is no need to have economic ties with other nations, or at least that they are more trouble than they are worth, and so advocate prohibiting imports and exports or at least very high tariffs in the interests of creating a sort of self-sufficient, isolated, nation. Non-interventionism, on the other hand, seeks only to eliminate military adventurism abroad while acknowledging the need for and in fact encouraging open, unfettered, trade with any and all other nations.