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MPAA Wants To Prevent Recording Movies On DVRs

I_am_Rambi writes "At the request of theatrical film makers, the Federal Communications Commission on Friday quietly launched a proceeding on whether to let video program distributors remotely block consumers from recording recently released movies on their DVRs. The technology that does this is called Selectable Output Control (SOC), but the FCC restricts its use. The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) wants a waiver on that restriction in the case of high-definition movies broadcast prior to their release as DVDs." The FCC is soliciting comments until June 25th.

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  1. Good luck with that by dreamchaser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I can watch it, I can record it. There will always be a way to do so. They can try to use the laws and technology to stop me, but they will lose in the end.

    1. Re:Good luck with that by dreamchaser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They simply want enough people not being able to record.

      Yes, and they also want to make people into criminals for exercising Fair Use rights so they can continue to reap huge margins on plastic discs.

    2. Re:Good luck with that by Naughty+Bob · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They simply want enough people not being able to record. Probably wont work in the long run. It's an interesting strategy, stop people recording shit by forcing the poor blighters to download it all months in advance... Genius.
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    3. Re:Good luck with that by aurispector · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny, isn't it? If you like it you'll buy it - that's what I do. If I can't watch it, I won't know that I like it.

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    4. Re:Good luck with that by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Given the quality of recently released movies, I'd say that's part of the strategy...

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    5. Re:Good luck with that by Naughty+Bob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly, I spend more on music now than I ever have done, precisely because of the vastly increased exposure to it bittorrent has enabled. I used to wish the entertainment industry would wake up to this reality.

      Now I realise that that, from now on in, it can only impede my access to artists, and their access to my cash.

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    6. Re:Good luck with that by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The you're doing it wrong. There is *always* going to be a way to record anything you watch. I didn't say you could use your cable company's crippled DVR system to do so. You just have the wrong tools.

    7. Re:Good luck with that by k33l0r · · Score: 5, Informative

      Same deal with copy protection on games. Only the people who buy the product legally have to suffer with it [...] The only people they'll really piss off are their customers.

      Hear, hear. Copy protection is the reason why I can't play The Battle for Middle-Earth II on my Vista pc, the damn game can't see the legitimate CD through the WinXP compatibility mode.

      Has copy protection stopped pirate games? No.
      Has DRM stopped downloading? No.
      Such measures just punish the folks who actually pay for their content...

    8. Re:Good luck with that by Dan541 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now I realise that that, from now on in, it can only impede my access to artists, and their access to my cash. I gave up trying to do the right thing long ago.
      I learned that the studios are only interested in playing underhanded so Im not giving them the money to file lawsuits.

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    9. Re:Good luck with that by pwizard2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Copy protection is the reason why I can't play The Battle for Middle-Earth II on my Vista pc,
      Have you tried gamecopyworld.com? They have fixed no-cd-check exes and other patches for problems like that.
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  2. If you can watch it on a computer by Froeschle · · Score: 5, Funny

    then you can record it. Software such as Mythtv makes it possible, until of course the TV cards somehow become so functionally disabled that they refuse to work with Linux. oh wait..

    1. Re:If you can watch it on a computer by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the recording cards work great. Cable TV simply encrypts everything so your recording card will not work. In fact they do that now. locally here all you can get is the 3 locals unencrypted.

      Honestly the FCC needs to get some balls and FORCE cable companies to have all the channels available UNENCRYPTED. but it will never happen.

      Digital TV is a step backwards. Quality sucks because they compress it hard. plus they remove your ability to record it or use anything advanced to watch it. you have to use that piece of crap cable box of theirs.

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  3. How about not broadcasting it? by mangu · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There used to be a certain schedule for films. First they were shown at theaters. Then, a few months after, they were released in VHS. Broadcasting started only a year or so after theater release.


    It seems that the MPAA is trying to maximize their profit, at the expense of the public in general. We are stuck with technical hassle just because the MPAA wants to use government regulation instead of logical market forces to prevent unauthorized copying.

  4. Re:This will never work. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually you do build that feature in unless you are building your own capture cards.

    your HDMI capture card, the only way I know of to capture an encrypted HD signal from the cable or sattelite box, has thise "feature" for you.

    I cant find any component capture cards that exist that will capture HD resolutions so you are stuck with hdmi/dvi.

    BTW: notice how nobody has made a linux driver for those cards? only OSX and Windows... because the driver has the "screw the user" code in it.

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  5. Re:draconian bulloni! by retech · · Score: 5, Informative

    In '97 a friend of mine was offered a recording contract by Sony. It was a 1000+ page tome. He read it over for 3 months and told them to piss off. After Sony was said and done with them they'd have gotten about 1.3 cents a song per album sale. Unless the artist(s) directly produce it themselves I have not purchased an album since that point in time. I never will again either.

  6. *aa wants to prevent content consumption by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What they all want is a way to prevent possession of any content, and you have to lease it from them per use for the rest of your life..

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  7. Comcast already does this... by Holistic+Missile · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the Chicago area, Comcast blocks some content from recording. Many of the on-demand movies and some of the premium channel programming cannot be recorded by a standard DVR. This is on digital cable in standard definition, using an off-the-shelf Philips DVR (not Comcast's).

    My DVR will buffer these programs, allowing rewind, pause, etc. If I try to record it to the hard drive it refuses to, giving a message of 'protected'. I'm not sure exactly how they do it - I always thought they may be broadcasting Macrovision codes with the signal.

    I suppose it could be hacked by a hardware hack like removing the hard drive and collecting the movie from the buffer, but nothing that is being broadcast is worth the effort! It's bad enough that I waste time sitting in front of the tube viewing this 'high value content'. I'm sure as hell not wasting more time trying to copy it. It is nearly summer here - there are much better things to do most days.

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  8. Reading the Article ftw by sweede · · Score: 5, Informative

    If anyone had actually read the article, you'll find out that currently Movies are NOT released to TV (pay per view or other) before they're released to DVD. the MPAA wants to change that so that they are shown on TV (PPV or other) AS or BEFORE the DVD release. But before it changes that time schedule, it wants to know if the FCC will create a ruling that would prevent DVR to able to record the movie BEFORE its released to DVD.

    So in other words

    Theater -> DVD -> TV , won't have the non-record flag set
    Theater -> TV -> DVD WILL have the non-record flag set until AFTER it's released on DVD.

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    1. Re:Reading the Article ftw by the_B0fh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And you think it's only going to be limited in this case, right? Just like all those anti-terrorism laws will only be strictly restricted to fighting terrorists. Really, you can trust us, we are the government.

  9. Wait, wait, I've heard this strategy before... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...is this the "We will prevent piracy by making our product even more crippled for our legitimate customers, though the online pirates will be remain unaffected" strategy? Don't forget that recording and timeshifting is what most people consider fair, not as piracy. "Oh hello uncle Jim, wasn't expecting you. I was just watching a movie, let me just put it on record." or "Oh, you can't tonight? What about tomorrow night? Ok cool, I'll put it on record and we can watch it together tomorrow". I guess TPB must love these laws: "Yeah well, I had to download it from TPB because my stupid DVR wouldn't let me record it".

    In every other kind of industry, I associate "pirates" either with counterfeits or cheap look-a-likes that are vastly inferior to the real product, the kind that street salesmen will sell tourists at a few bucks a piece. Since a digital copy is a perfect copy, I guess digital piracy will be equal. But when pirated goods start looking better and better, so you pay for the privilidge of using and inferior product and the feelgood of being legal, then there's something very, very wrong.

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  10. Lotta "if's" by Stanislav_J · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IF this technology is used to restrict recording for a LIMITED period of time, until the initial theatrical release has run its course and they have milked the initial profits off the DVD release, THEN I would not have a serious problem with it. After all, unless you are one of those folks that MUST see a new movie as soon as it comes out, you can wait a little while. And even with the restriction, you could still WATCH the flick and even pause/rewind/etc. the thing -- you just wouldn't be able to dump it to a permanent source (disk, hard drive) right away. And hell, most movies will show up on non-PPV TV eventually anyway. By restricting the recording disability to the initial "surge" of the movie's release, the "can't wait" crowd are going to rush to the theater or buy the DVD the first day it's on sale and send the cartel its dough anyway, and the rest of us can just wait until it trickles down to a non-premium source from which we can record and save it if we want.

    That's all very speculative, though. Knowing the methods of the MPAA as we do, it's more likely that this is just a way to get a foot in the door to eventually restrict or prevent ALL recording of its releases. That's an old tactic -- you know you can't get EVERYTHING you want right now, so you ask for just a limited option that most people would agree on, then slowly expand the parameters over time. Like the ban on "partial birth abortion." Or just like all the Bush era "anti-terrorist" legislation -- most people accepted it as necessary within the limited scope of "fighting terrorism," but we have already seen these laws starting to be used for things that have little, if anything, to do with terrorism. (Unless you then expand the definition of "terrorism," which is also happening.) The MPAA probably is playing the same game. (As we have often seen, the worlds of business and government are pretty much interchangeable in their more underhanded tactics...)

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  11. Re:If anyone tried to strip me of anything... by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't abide even to the "do not bring your own popcorn" rules. Why stop at popcorn? I bring my own Hibachi grill, a bag of charcoal, and a couple of nice racks baby back ribs. By the time the trailers are over, the ribs are nicely done and I can enjoy my meal with a few frosty beers while I watch the feature.
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  12. Likewise not and not by mkcmkc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Exactly, I spend more on music now than I ever have done, precisely because of the vastly increased exposure to it bittorrent has enabled. Although I abhor the RIAA's tactics, I decided several years ago that I could not put myself at risk from extortion at their hand, so I stopped Napstering altogether. Not surprisingly, my CD purchases have simultaneously dropped from hundreds per year to one or two.

    Ironically, in the RIAA's analysis of the situation, I must almost certainly be accounted as someone who's stopped buying CD's because of illegal downloading, when in fact it is directly due to the actions of the recording industry itself.

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  13. Re:draconian bulloni! by ruin20 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Courtney Love gives a much more accurate account for how the racket works. All these "BIG" record deals aren't that "BIG" at all because typically the advance given the band is not just payment to the members, but also supposed to cover production expenses. In other words record company gives you 1.3 million and you go to the recording studio, art studio, and post possessing guys and give 1 million back to the record studio and you're left with 300,000 with which you pay the manager and the artist, making it a 5 or 6 way split. That's 50 grand a piece. And then you never see a penny from your album because that 1.3 million was an advance. Thats why going gold, silver and platinum are such big deals, because they're when the artist starts actually seeing 1.3 cents per song.

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  14. Re:Informative??? by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 5, Informative

    Technically he's not wrong about the warrant. They can't force him to let them look inside. However what they can do is tell him that he either lets them look or he leaves.

    The only thing a private property owner can force you to do is leave. However because of that, they can put almost any condition they like on your continued presence. The only exceptions are for things like racial discrimination.

    If a store or other place of business wants to inspect all of your bags before they let you in, that is entirely within their rights. Note that if they want to inspect everything before you leave then they have essentially no way to enforce this, since you're leaving anyway. But if the movie theater says that as a condition of entering their business and seeing their movie, you will submit all bags to a search, you will wear a large floppy purple hat, and you will dance about singing Amazing Grace, then your choice is to do this or leave.

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