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Geohashing Meets an Angry Rancher With Firearms

katicli writes "Geohashing, an obscure xkcd pastime which involves going to random coordinates generated by md5 hashing, the date, and the opening status of the stock market, appears to have just gotten far more interesting. The official wiki reports a warning for other geohashers intending to go to the spot designated for June 14th in the San Francisco area, as several avid fans of xkcd were met by an angry rancher and firearms."

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  1. Overreactions by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My first reaction is that the geohashing folks overreacted. I might be a little concerned and take photos of license plates if a bunch of people suddenly showed up on my property somewhere out in the boonies.

    As to the firearms, were they scared at the mere presence of firearms or did the ranchers actually point them at anyone? If they simply saw the guns in the truck, what possibly could have scared them? Ooooh, guns.... scary.

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    1. Re:Overreactions by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To a lot of overprotected-live-in-the-parent's-basement technojock types, a gun is scary, if nothing else because of unfamiliarity. Besides, if the ranchers were taking pictures of license plates, odds are they were planning on involving law enforcement, not gunning anyone down.

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    2. Re:Overreactions by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I don't know why the xkcd folks think they can just get away with this.. you can't just drive out to a random spot; that's called trespassing unless it just happens to be on public land.

    3. Re:Overreactions by Wog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yep.

      "Two vehicles later drove on property, first truck with two rifles or shotguns in plain sight."

      Egads, the ranchers had firearms mounted in their trucks! OH NOES, THEY MUST BE FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF MURDERING US, THERE IS NO OTHER POSSIBLE EXPLANATION!

      Please, PLEASE take note that nobody said that threats were ever made, or that firearms were ever presented in a menacing way. For anyone that works with livestock, having long guns mounted in vehicles and handguns on one's person is absolutely normal, routine, and safe.

      If I were running a ranch and a bunch of 20-somethings showed up on my private property, I would be taking pictures and making sure I had a weapon at hand, too.

      I'm a fan of XKCD and love the idea of Geohashing, but these folks really should make an effort to notify landowners and get permission before entering private property.

    4. Re:Overreactions by andphi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree. If I were a property owner (particularly with livestock) and suddenly a bunch of folks with GPS units showed up on my land and headed for a specific spot without so much as a 'by your leave' or 'Hi, we're here to do X. We'll do X quickly and be gone,' I'd be suspicious as well and likely to reach for the biggest gun I own. The geohashers could just as easily have been livestock rustlers.

      I like XKCD as much as the next geek, but if they do this sort of thing without due consideration for the people whose land they're traipsing over, they should, well, STOP.

    5. Re:Overreactions by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "The right to roam" may be fine in isolated instances of ethnically homogeneous countries with no appreciable rural crime rate.

      The US is not that, and allowing it would be absurd and instantly exploited by criminals. There is ample historic support for protecting rural property from rustlers, theft, etc. Remember that the special conditions which apply in tiny areas like Scotland have no bearing on the rest of the world which faces MUCH different realities.

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    6. Re:Overreactions by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, that should just make them more sensitive to death. From watching "SAW IV" I discovered that its easy to get two people to rip each others guts out with meathooks. If anything that should make me more sensitive to meathooks, right? If you saw meathooks in a non-meatlocker, meathandler, butcher kind of context, yes. It'd certainly make me suspicious.
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    7. Re:Overreactions by MrMista_B · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Overreacted?

      So, what, you think you shouldn't be more cautious than usual around people with guns, or do you think it's something that can be safely ignored without comment?

      Myself, if I go somewhere, and a guy with a couple of guns in his truck pulls up, I'm not going to be thinking he's just a cute handsome stranger. They were *right* to be concerned when guns are involved - an overreaction would be ignoring them and doing nothing.

      Also, in the future, if they go to a location and there's angry farmers with guns on location, they would be *right* to mention that, maybe, *maybe* it's not a good idea to go there. Or would that be another overreaction?

    8. Re:Overreactions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Um.. There's generally a distinction between a farm and a ranch too.

      Just saying.

    9. Re:Overreactions by Score+Whore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Re-read the "article." Sounds like the people who interacted with the farmer were told to stay off. And later a truck drove on the property that had visible guns. From what I can glean no one that the trespassers interacted with had a visible gun. Just that they saw a gun in a truck on the property.

      The children need to grow up. I wonder how upset they each time the find new evidence that the real world isn't an amusement park there for their entertainment, sanitized and clean and all about hugging them.

    10. Re:Overreactions by clang_jangle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just yesterday I had to run some people off my land. I have it posted "NO TRESPASSING" very clearly all around the perimeter, no way can anyone end up on my property and claim not to know (unless they don't read English, I guess). Though I don't grab my shotgun before setting off to confront stupid people like that, most of my neighbors do. I can't say I blame them. These geohashers (and anyone else who shows up unannounced on private property) are pretty much looking to become s statistic.

      To you city folks who think this is wrong, how would you like to wake up and find me in your living room?

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    11. Re:Overreactions by Secrity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They need to do far more than make an attempt to contact the landowner, they need to get permission from the landowner.

    12. Re:Overreactions by clang_jangle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sure you have your own reasons for wanting those kids to get off your lawn, but we all live on this planet, why not share? Why not join them?


      Great idea! Why don't you start by leaving your door open and welcoming whomever wants in. After all, who are you to deny shelter, kitchen, and bathroom privileges to the homeless?

      But seriously, after over 30 years of living in major cities (San Francisco, L.A., Philadelphia, Seattle, Atlanta) I've had enough and when I get home I want peace and quiet and I wish to be left alone. If you want to buy land and open it up to the public, you've got that right. Personally, I want my little forest and my little pond to remain pristine and undisturbed. I worked my butt off for 30 years to get it. Now I keep bees in my off time, and I don't want to have to lock all my tools and other belongings up to keep them, so no trespassing on my land. Is that okay with you?
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    13. Re:Overreactions by Omestes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Trespassers will be SHOT, Survivors will be SHOT AGAIN.

      Extreme much? Trespassers will be asked to remove themselves (depending on their number, and if they're causing damage), and if they resist shot (or have the authorities called). This is how things work in a SANE society.

      If your land isn't posted at each entry, you really should be a decent human and operate under the assumption that they don't know that they are trespassing. And if is, you should be a decent person and ask nicely before killing people.

      Generally killing people should be the last resort. If your not a sociopath.

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  2. The reaction scares me (and not the local's) by Ferzerp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If these people were scared by the mere presence of a few guns, this seriously worries me about the future of the 2nd amendment. I guess there is solace to be taken in knowing that the people who would read that comic and go to that place aren't a very good representative set of the people though.

    Still it worries me.

  3. The Real World by uspsguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    WOW! a bunch of people from San Francisco ventured out in to the real world and found that people have strange ideas like property rights and the right to bear arms. I'm glad they got an education.

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  4. Re:Culture --weird by debatem1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would somebody owning a gun be "scary" or "a lunatic"? I can understand the fear of guns empowering criminals (even if I don't agree with the conclusions some reach on that basis) but guns in the hands of the good guys should probably be reassuring, not alarming.

  5. And so it goes... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... people with too much time on their hands, annoying the rest of the world, calling it fun, and blaming it on the Internet.

  6. Why Is This News? by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So a bunch of citiots tried to go onto private property without permission to have a party and got warned off. Why is this news?

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  7. Re:Culture --weird by Grey_14 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I dunno why people always think a fear of firearms is irrational, it is a device made for the sole purpose of killing or wounding a living creature, it does so in an instant with the twitch of a finger. couple that with the general fact that people are idiots (the geohashers in this case seemed to be the idiots, but it's a fair general rule to live by, unless proven otherwise: people are idiots.). I'm afraid of firearms, I'd rather they never be anywhere near me. I'm not one to advocate that they all be taken away either because unfortunately the cat is out of the bag there, people have guns and getting them away from criminals AND legitimate owners would be pretty much impossible now.

    Anyways, yeah they overreacted to someone just having guns in their truck, but I don't think being afraid of or uncomfortable around guns is all that irrational.

  8. Re:Culture --weird by Ferzerp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, it is a device made for the sole purpose of propelling a projectile to really fast speeds. Any application of this function is the responsibility of the individual user.

    It always amuses me that the slashdot crowd will defend some technology (e.g. vulnerability detection software, p2p, etc) and claim that the individual is responsible for the use, but then say things like what you've said.

    By the way, bittorrent is made for the sole purpose of unauthorized distribution of copyrighted works. (see how that sounds? now reread what you wrote)

    I guess we only believe in individual responsibility here when it fits our agenda.

  9. Re:Culture --weird by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bad example - bittorrent *was* - the creator admitted it publicly.

    Yes and the purpose of a gun is to kill. Your definition is like saying 'the purpose of a car is to rotate wheels at a specific speed'. It's meaningless.

  10. Re:Culture --weird by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're absolutely right, but I'd say it's less a matter of fundamental hypocrisy as it is one of fear. And that's mostly from unfamiliarity ... people are afraid of the unknown. We're pretty much hardwired for that, and in this case I think the government does us a disservice by discouraging people from owning firearms or learning how to use them properly. I'd rather have someone who knows what he's doing with a gun holding one on me, rather than someone who's never fired one before and is terrified of it. That applies as much to criminals as it does to us law-abiding types.

    It's a machine people. Yes, it's one that requires some knowledge and self-discipline to own and use safely, but that's all it is. Would that We the People spent as much time bitching about the poorly-trained drivers we have in this country as we do about gun owners. The untold millions of four-wheeled sociopaths on the road today are responsible for a hell of a lot more death, destruction and general mayhem than all gun owners combined. But that's okay, you see, because cars are technology that we all find comfortable and familiar, in spite of the fact that a car is just as much of a weapon as a .44 Magnum. If everyone carried a gun, but only a few drove automobiles, we'd all be irrationally afraid of cars.

    Personally, I'm far more concerned about being killed on the way to work by some lobeless, cell-phone-wielding, SUV-driving thimblebrain than I am about being shot. If the Feds really (I'm mean, really) want to make our lives safer, they should force the states to implement some serious training requirements for obtaining a driver's license. That should mean a CV (Commercial Vehicle) license for anyone that wants to drive a big SUV. Do that, and leave gun owners alone, and they would save a lot more lives each year.

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  11. Re:Culture --weird by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Additionally, most firearm murders* are criminal on criminal. If you're not a criminal, hanging out with criminals, you're as safe or safer in the United States than you are elsewhere. Personally, I blame the war on drugs.

    *I'm excluding suicides because they'd just find another, and accidents because the real accident rate is insignificant.

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  12. Re:Culture --weird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mod parent up, of particular amusement "Because someone picked up their gun, and showed it to an aggressor, thus ending the conflict before it ever becomes violent." - if drawing down on someone isn't an escalation in violence I have no idea what is. +5 informative my ass.

  13. Re:Culture --weird by Jawn98685 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I dunno why people always think a fear of firearms is irrational, it is a device made for the sole purpose of killing or wounding a living creature... Bzzzzzzt! Wrong. Thanks for playing.

    I own several guns. Several of those have never even been pointed at a living thing, despite having thousands of rounds put through them. One of those was designed and manufactured "for the sole purpose" of punching little holes in paper (hopefully, very close together). Another, for breaking small clay disks.

    You fear is irrational. It springs from ignorance. There are a great many things that are far more likely to cause you bodily harm than firearms. Granted, there are some gun owners who shouldn't be trusted with anything even as dangerous as a pointy stick, but there are, for example, even more automobile drivers who shouldn't be trusted with anything faster than a skateboard. Do you likewise have a fear of cars? I'll wager that you do not, despite that fact that you are far more likely to be gunned down by some arrested-adolescent speeding through traffic in buzzing import car than you are by a gun owner.
  14. They were lucky. by davmoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I live in a rural area in the Midwest. If a horde of people I didn't know suddenly descended on my property, and I don't see some badges or blue and red lights accompanying them, those people would see a gun too...and mine wouldn't be in a rack.

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  15. Oh boy by jav1231 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sounds like typical media scare. Think of all of the stories you see in the paper or on the news about "man with a gun." It's as if the mere presence of a gun denotes wrong doing.