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The Impact of Low Salaries At Apple

orenh writes "Recent data indicate that Apple engineers have significantly lower salaries than their Silicon Valley peers: $89,000 at Apple, versus $105,000 at Yahoo and $112,000 at Google. Paying lower salaries had a major impact on Apple's bottom line when it was struggling in the market up until 2004. But now that Apple is highly profitable, these lower salaries are no longer a factor in Apple's success. Will Apple have to raise salaries to match the market rate, or face defections?"

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  1. Will Apple have to raise salaries? by yoder · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Will Apple have to raise salaries to match the market rate, or face defections?"

    Yes!

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    1. Re:Will Apple have to raise salaries? by infosinger · · Score: 5, Funny

      Jobs keeps them there because he ends every employee meeting with "And one more thing...." and makes them wait for the next meeting. ;-)

    2. Re:Will Apple have to raise salaries? by profplump · · Score: 4, Funny

      if ($desired->$feature) {
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      Seriously, we get that one of the two things he complained about is a problem. But it's valid to point out that ONLY one of the two things is a problem, and the other is either a troll, or honest misunderstanding, and there's some value in calling out either one (entertainment or learning respectively).

    3. Re:Will Apple have to raise salaries? by gregbot9000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually it's presidential Riddick, and by raise taxes he means murder.

    4. Re:Will Apple have to raise salaries? by rachit · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, it's *redneck*. Makes a lot more sense.

    5. Re:Will Apple have to raise salaries? by lordSaurontheGreat · · Score: 3, Funny

      You might want to translate that into a more readable language, like C or C++.

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  2. Free iPhones! by mactard · · Score: 3, Funny

    But the Lord Jobs gave them all free iPhones! That surely has to make up for having to work for the biggest asshole in California.

    1. Re:Free iPhones! by maxume · · Score: 5, Funny

      Deep breaths there skippy, deep breaths.

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    2. Re:Free iPhones! by Forrest+Kyle · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well I don't know if I'd want to work for you. I'm afraid of heights, after all. ;)

  3. Careful how you say that by Zerth · · Score: 4, Funny

    You're implying that Apple engineers are equally skilled as Google engineers!

    On the other hand, why are Yahoo engineers so overpaid... :)

  4. Re:As the old saying goes... by Foofoobar · · Score: 2, Funny

    So Vista people are paying to be crapped on? Wow. what a bunch of shitheads.

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  5. Re:It's not always salaries... by delysid-x · · Score: 2, Funny

    YES! They probably are mostly zealots and fanboys otherwise they'd be working for M$. Pretty much anyone with an Apple becomes a zealboy so they have about 5% of the computing audience to hire from and most of them don't know they're being shafted, they're just working a dream job for the company that made the friendly overpriced computer they love.

  6. Apples and Oranges by telchine · · Score: 3, Funny

    Comparing Apple with Google is like comparing apples with oranges, or, like comparing Apple with Orange!

  7. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're looking at just the salary? Don't be stupid. Benefits. I make less than I could, but the benefits of where I work more than make up for it. So, what are their benefits? I hope the benefits include remedial education.
  8. Re:But !? Apple is 'cool' ?!? by geekoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    Considering they aren't the military, it's actually called 'quitting'.

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  9. Re:But !? Apple is 'cool' ?!? by sien · · Score: 4, Funny

    Considering it's Apple it's called "committing an act of heresy" or "being excommunicated".

  10. OBjoke by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 5, Funny

    No the engineers are paid just fine, it's just that Steve Jobs' $1 salary is dragging down the average...

  11. Look who's talking by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hope the benefits include remedial education.

    Honestly, someone too inept to create a userID should not be casting the first stone as far as intelligence.

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    1. Re:Look who's talking by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because criticizing grammar can get you killed?

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  12. POINTLESS COMMENT ABUSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Moderate Parent Down.

  13. Re:I know you're sarcastic, but... by prockcore · · Score: 3, Funny

    everything happened because of the Great Man Steve Jobs, and (thinly veiled) in spite of those lazy incompetent engineers


    Hehe, I got modded flamebait for pointing that out recently.
  14. What? by denzacar · · Score: 2, Funny

    What was that?

    I didn't hear you over the voices of about 20000 George Washingtons singing "Money makes the world go around".

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  15. Apple Engineers can't defect by mr_lizard13 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apple engineers feature Fairplay DRM that prevents them from working for alternative employers.

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  16. Re:How 'bout them AAPLs? by delysid-x · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hypercard was awesome. It was the only thing that made me like Mac more than my PC at the time. That and the cool Risk game we had on the Mac Pluses. I kicked ass at that, but that's not too hard... My foes never realized the significance of Australia and South America.

  17. I FEEL LEFT OUT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mod me down too

  18. Re:I know you're sarcastic, but... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 4, Funny

    You should feel proud that you were modded by the Great Man!

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  19. Pedestal by nick_davison · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would higher a Apple Engineer...

    Now you're just putting them on a pedestal!

  20. Re:It's not always salaries... by Mr2001 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe there are benefits packages apple is offering which even google does not (though it's highly unlikely). Like discounts on Apple hardware. Those could easily add up to tens of thousands a year, if you like Apple products enough.
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  21. Re:Salaries... by argent · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think apple will have to face defecations.

    A bit of Metamucil will clear that up.

  22. Re:Uh, Google has fairly low pay, too. by Basehart · · Score: 4, Funny

    "...If you're comparing, say, the guy who designs the box that the iPod comes in..."

    The interior of my iPod box was completely dry.

  23. Only 89,000? by mkcmkc · · Score: 3, Funny
    I don't know where that $89,000 number came from. Everyone in my group at Apple makes at least $225,000. Well, except for one guy who just spell-checks the docs--he makes $189,000. Man, if you're making under two hundred you're really getting reamed. I mean, damn. You are at least getting the yearly $100K bonus, aren't you? I'd really be pissed if I was missing out on that. That and the key to the Happy Endings room at the gym...

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  24. Re:Puget Sound by slugstone · · Score: 3, Funny

    He living on the wrong side of the mountains to observe you being arrested for getting to close to J, K and L pods.

  25. Re:why don't you find out for yourself? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

    I work at Apple to and I must disagree with the parent.

    They keep me chained to a radiator making iPods in return for a bowl of rice a day. If I forget to check post anonymously the Apple police will hunt me down and kill me for Thinking Different.

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  26. Logical Development (and a question) by cp.tar · · Score: 3, Funny

    Mod Child Down.

    ...

    Just wondering... If we had a -1 Down mod, wouldn't it be a bit retarded?

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    1. Re:Logical Development (and a question) by EMeta · · Score: 1, Funny

      Mod Child Down.

      You mean me? Thanks a lot, buddy.
  27. Re:Google's "talent" is vastly over-rated. by Alioth · · Score: 4, Funny

    The military still have vets? How much horse cavalry is there?

    (Seriously, over here a 'vet' is a vetinary surgeon. I did a bit of a double take when I was living in Houston and I saw a bumper sticker saying 'If you value your freedom, thank a vet' - and I thought, well, it's all very nice having someone to give my cat his annual FIV vaccination, but I didn't realise vetinary surgeons were the vanguard of freedom fighters too!).

  28. Re:Work/Life by xtracto · · Score: 2, Funny

    People love working at EA, but my friends there tell me they work 150+hrs/week...

    oh shit wait, do people love working at EA?

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  29. Re:Puget Sound by Sta7ic · · Score: 2, Funny

    He could try swimming in the B reactor pools, but I think that might end up being a one-way trip. It'd be interesting for the morning paper though!